24.1 – Overview
Until recent times, trading in equity futures and options was cash settled in India. What this means is that upon expiry of the contract, buyers or sellers had to settle their position in cash without having to take delivery of the underlying security. On April 11, 2018, SEBI released a circular making physical delivery of stocks for all stock F&O contracts mandatory in a phased manner. The aim was to curb excessive speculation which would result in too much volatility in individual stocks.
24.2 What is Physical Settlement?
It means all stock F&O contracts at expiry, are required to be given/taken delivery of the underlying security. From October 2019’s expiry, all stock F&O contracts are compulsorily settled physically.
Let’s understand this with an example, before the introduction of physical settlement, if you bought only a lot of SBI futures expiring this month, on expiry, the contract will be cash-settled based on the settlement price and you will receive the credit or debit in your trading account. We’ve explained how marked to market settlement works in this chapter. But with the physical settlement, if you don’t close or rollover your position till expiry, you are required to pay the total contract value and you will receive the delivery of shares to your Demat account.
24.3 Why is Physical Settlement enforced?
When the contract is cash-settled, traders only are required to maintain the margin(SPAN +Exposure) for the contract and can lead to short-sellers building up excessive short positions closer to expiry artificially bringing down the price. With the physical settlement, these traders will have to buy the stock from the equity market or borrow on the SLB markets to be able to deliver the stocks to the counterparty. This brings in balance to the price not allowing for price manipulation.
24.4 How are positions settled?
On expiry, various F&O contracts are settled in the following manner
- Take Delivery(stocks are delivered to your Demat account)- Long Futures, long ITM Call and short ITM Put
- Give Delivery(you are required to deliver the stocks to the exchange)- Short Futures, short ITM Call and long ITM Put.
Only ITM options will be physically settled, if the option expires OTM, they expire worthlessly and there won’t be any delivery obligation.
24.5 Netted off positions(subcategory)
If you have multiple positions of the same underlying for the same expiration date and they form a hedge, depending on the direction of the trade, they will be netted off.
| 1st Leg | 2nd Leg |
| Long Futures | Short ITM Call
Long ITM Put |
| Short Futures | Long ITM Call
Short ITM Put |
| Long ITM Call | Long ITM Put
Short ITM Call |
| Long ITM Put | Long ITM Call
Short ITM Put |
| Short ITM Call | Long ITM Call
Short ITM Put |
| Short ITM Put | Short ITM Call
Long ITM Put |
For example, if you have an SBI June long futures contract and long ITM Put of strike 200(SBI spot price at Rs 180), the long futures position will lead to a take delivery obligation and the long put option to a given delivery obligation. This will be netted off for your account and there won’t be any physical delivery obligation.
24.6 Margins
When you are trading in the F&O segment, for futures and short options, you will require to maintain only the margin amount in your account, for long options, just the premium required to buy. However, this changes with the physical settlement mechanism, where you are required to bring in 100% of the contract value to take delivery of the contract or bring in stocks to give delivery(depending on the direction of your trade). Brokers introduce additional margins when such positions get closer to expiry.
You can read on Zerodha’s physical settlement policy here.
Hello sir,
If I don’t hold any shares in my account and can I sell put options in order to buy at lower price?
Regards,
Yuvraj
Yes, you can.
Hi sir.
in order to not get in a position to become liable for physical delivery one should square off the position latest by the 1st half of the expiry ? i trade mostly through covered call in nifty companies and premium decay mostly happen on the last two days very fastly.
Your insight on this point sir.
You can keep the position open till the first Monday of the expiry week, Nithish. From the first Monday, the margins go up because of the physical delivery.
Hi Karthik,
I am a newbie to options,
1)I would like to know what is the starting day of the new option(call/put) .
Example : I could see INFYCEXXXX EXPIRING ON 30TH AUG (on which day it was it added to option chain).
2) physical settelement is enforced on when trader failed to squareoff his position before the expiry of the contract(thrusday/last thursday), please clarify the same.
The Aug contract will be introduced at the beginning of May. In June, May contract would cease to exist and Sept would be introduced.
Hi Sir,
I am new to options trade. Suppose I sell call option of SBI with a strike price of Rs. 200/- and I don’t square off the position.If the option is in the money on expiry date July 30, 2020 and SBI stock closes at Rs. 210/- will I have to give delivery of 3000 shares of SBI or intrinsic value of Rs. 10(210-200)*3000= 30000/- will be debited to my account.
You will have to give delivery of stock, Dalip.
1.If I keep sell position for CE/PE For Index till expiry, so there is also margin will be increase from last week of monday Or this is applicable only for Stocks
2..If I keep sell position for CE/PE For Stock till expiry, so there is how much margin will be increase from last week of monday i.e.MON/TUE/WED
Question 1
I have placed a Long call on Nifty Jul 11000 CE by paying a premium of 110 per lot (75). 8250 has been deducted as premium.
On 30th July, Nifty closes at 11300 and I let my option to expire ITM. With cash settlement earlier, without me doing anything, I think I would be getting 22,500 (300*75) in my account. With this new mandate of physical settlement, do I have to still buy the 75 shares @ 11000 per share, which means I have to additionally pay 8,16,750 (11000*75-8250)? Apologies if I have got this completely wrong.
So, can this also raise to a defaulting scenario?
Thanks
Sri
Physical delivery is only for stocks, Sriram, not for the indices.
Thank you Karthik. Good. So, there is no change if i want to trade only on the indices. Everything still remains the same.
But the point about paying 8,00,000+ amount is still then good if instead of NIFTY, if it was some stock. Is that right then?
Thanks
Sri
Thats right.
I’m not sure what you mean by paying 8L+, can you share more context, please?
Okay Karthik, I will share the context better. Disclaimer – I havent started doing options trading, but planning on trying after going through your excellent modules. So, some of my terms usage might not be 100% correct, as I am still learning
Question 1
I have placed a Long call on Divis Jul 2300 CE by paying a premium of 42.60 per lot (400). 17040 has been deducted as premium.
On 30th July, Divis closes at 2400 and I let my option to expire ITM. With cash settlement earlier, without me doing anything, I think I would be getting 40,000 (100*400) in my account. With this new mandate of physical settlement, do I have to still buy the 400 shares @ 2300 per share, which means I have to additionally pay 9,02,960 (2300*400-17040) and get it delivered?
Apologies if I have got this completely wrong.
Can this also then raise to a defaulting scenario?
Thanks
Sri
Ah yes, the closer you move to expiry, the margin requirement or stock requirement goes up, which means to say that you need to have the necessary funds/stocks to hold to expiry. Else if you don’t want to get into that, then it is better to close before expiry.
Question 2
Are you seeing less volumes of Options trades after this physical settlement mandate. I would assume so, with so many changes, delivery charges, STT etc., Is it the case in reality? If not, i would like to know the reason for similar volumes being traded. What am i missing to understand.
Thanks
Sri
Not really, the bulk of the action is anyone on Nifty and Bank Nifty. So there is no reduction in volume as such. But yes you are right, a single stock option is not as vibrant as the index option.
Suppose i have sold a put option for icicibank aug 300PE at R6. Should i do something manually at the end of expiry? If icici stock price goes below 300,is it enough that i maintain money (415000) in my account and the shares delivery will be done? Experts please answer. Am new to this
Yes, you just need to ensure that you have sufficient margin in the system to take delivery of the shares.
I am new in the options world. Have zerodha account. I am not clear as to what is reqired to be done with regard to option trading in stocks
Suppose i have a l Lot of HDFC @1798 in my portfoilo. I sell a call of 1850 CE @46.
my question(1) can my holdings be treated as margin. if yes ,then how? How will physical settlement take place if
(2) stock price remains at or falls below 1850. i wil sit on profit. (3) between 1850 to 1896 and my position in partial profit or zero profit at break even point.
(3) Stock price goes above 1896 and closes say at 1910 making Loss.
How does the physical settlement take place . Will i have to arrange for additional funds. Buyng or selling security physically will entail STTetc making these strategies loss making ??. Do not mind if i have raised some irrelevent querries due to knowledge gaps.
1) Yes, in case of holdings, the stocks will suffice. But this is not a replacement for margins.
2) Yes, below 1850, you get to retain the entire premium received
3) That’s right
4) You will have to give stock, which you already have in your DEMAT. Yes, STT will be applicable to both buy and sell @ 0.1%.
Hi sir,
In physical settlement where there is obligation to give the delivery of the stock if i do not hold those stocks in my demat account how can i give the delivery ? because for CNC trades i cannot short shares right ? i am little confused here please clarify.
Thank you
Then you need to ensure that you have sufficient margins in the account.
Hello sir,
I have two queries:
1) If I short HDFC BANK 900 PE and on expiry the spot price become 880/- then it is ITM. In this case the margin which I have to hold is 900*(550 lot size)= 495000/- ?
2) If I long HDFC BANK 900 PE and on expiry spot price is 880/- ITM then in this case do I have to hold the same margin as earlier or 880*(550) = 48400/- and the system then credits the 11000/- profit.
1) Yes
2) In this case you need to ensure you have the stock in your DEMAT
Hello sir,
I have 4 queries, Both are related to the expiry of the options and there physical settlements.
Lets take an Example:- If we have X stock.Current Price 100 rs on 21-7-2020
Situation 1:- I Buy a Call @ 100 for this Stock, and on expiry it goes to 110 then how I will get delivery
Question a.) How will i get delivery, is it at 100 Rs. or 110 Rs.?
Question b.) will i get this Stock in my Demat account and then i need to sell it in the Market whenever i want or, it will be automatically Settlle n give me profit?
Situation 2 :- I Sell a Call @ 100, and Again Stock goes to 110 on expiry.
Question c.) how Physically i can give delivery to Buyer of the call. If Manual then how? if Automatic then how?
Question d.) If I already have this Shares in my Demat account , then how can i tell Zerodha to give my Shares of Demat (Old holding of the Same X Stock)?
Situation 3:- If i Sell a Put @ 100 and Stock goes to 90 rs. on expiry
Question e.) At what price i will get stock @ 100 or 90?
Question f.) Will i get stock Automatically and , Can i Sell it whenever i want?
Situation 4:- If i Buy a Put @ 100 and Stock goes to 90 rs. on expiry
Question g.) how will i sell @ 100 to seller or its automatic.
Question h.) if i sell it manually then how to do it so to book profit or anything else if i am wrong?
Thanks a lot in advance…
User of Zerodha
1. a. If you maintain the margins required, you will receive the shares in your demat account for Rs 100 a share(strike price). Your buy average will be Rs 100 + Premium paid to buy the call option.
b. Yes, it will be delivered to your demat account. You are free to hold it or sell it whenever you like.
2. c & d. If you have the stock in your demat account, the shares will be automatically debited and settled to the exchange. If you don’t hold these shares, it will go to auction, where us(Zerodha) will buy the share for you and deliver to the exchange(auction penalty will apply).
3. e. You will get the stock at 100(Strike price). Your buy average will be 100 – premium you sold the contract at.
f. Yes, same as point 1. b.
4 g & h. Same process as point 2 c & d.
My query is as follows
I am holding 550 (lot equivalent) shares of HDFC BANK. I decide to sell a CALL of Rs. 1000/-
1. TWO DAYS BEFORE THE EXPIRY- CMP is 1050/- What will be the approximate margin required?
2. ON THE DAY OF EXPIRY- CMP is Rs.1100/- Do i need to provide (1100 * 550lots size = Rs.605,000) as margin ? If yes, How do i reduce the Margin knowing that I am already holding the shares in my Demat account and intend to give the delivery of the same?
3. For the above what is the time frame i have to PROVIDE the margin? End of the day? Start of the day?
4.Under what circumstances does Zerodha square off positions for insufficient margin? Any penalty? etc
1) It will roughly get close to 100%. More on that here – https://zerodha.com/z-connect/queries/policy-on-settlement-of-compulsory-delivery-derivative-contracts-update-oct-2019
2) That’s right. You can try to offset the margin by buying a CE
3) You need to ensure the margins are available before the start of the day
4) Request you to read the link above and this https://zerodha.com/policies-and-procedures#tab-equities
Hello Karthik,
I just need your small advice based on one of my observations. Hope you don’t mind.
I noticed if I had sold a deep OTM 2300 strike for Reliance on Friday afternoon for a premium of 15.55, because of theta decay, it would become 5.1 on Monday morning according to the BS calculator. If nothing changes and I sell at exactly 9:15 AM, I will get 3x returns. I noticed the same is true for many other stocks too like MSFL which has been in sideways channel, the whole month.
The only thing against me is pre-market changes and volatility. According to the same calculator, it would require 3.2% of pre-market changes or a 25% increase in IV for my position to go in the red. Let’s suppose 3.2% is unlikely.
My question is what are you general observation towards IV in the expiry week for options? Does it usually shoots up or down?
Many Thanks.
In an ideal world yes, all else equal theta kicks in and you get to make the decay. However, in reality this hardly happens and there in influences working on the stock prices all of which manifest in different forms – Delta, vega, gamma etc. They all have their own impact on premium and therefore the theta decay concept is hard to monetize.
Hi Karthik ,
Would be great if you could help understand concept of physical settlement & Covered Call in the following scenarios ( let’s assume i had bought Reliance Call option ATM @ 1800 ) :- 1. Taking Stock delivery through options contract by letting a Call option expire in the money – When I browsed online I couldnt find any site which actually advised on taking stock delivery due to high STT. So is there a scenario where you are deep in the money and when it would make sense to take delivery if you have a long term view on the stock and would like to own the stock? Like Reliance in this example. Or its generally better to square off the option & may be buy in cash market for long term.
2. Covered call – With the deep in the money call that I was holding would it have made sense to Sell a higher Call option (2100) to make more money as I didnt think the price would go below my Call option strike price and let both the options expire. Or it is generally better to square of the call option and take the profit?Assuming a) Reliance at expiry above 2100 – both options would have expired ITM & cancelled against each other to give profit without needing physical settlement ( also avoiding higher margin for short CE)? b) if price were to settle between 1800 to 2100 on expiry day – I could square of my 1800 long if I wanted to avoid settlement & let the 2100 sell call expire to get the premium?
3. Also what is your view on this dynamic covered option strategy in scenarios where you had bought a CE/PE which is in the money (instead of just squaring the long option) and you are of strong view based on technical/fundamental analysis that the stock price is going to remain in a range and not going to cross your ITM CE/PE till expiry (or even if it does you could square of the long position & hold the short position till expiry)? Like in this example.
Thanks for your response.
1) You can take physical delivery when you have a significant price advantage. In this, you’d have paid quite a bit for 1800CE since its deep ITM, so unless RIL goes way higher wherein the premium you’ve paid is compensated plus you have an advantage over the share price, it does not make sense to take physical delivery. I’d avoid buying shares via this approach (unless the option I buy turns deep ITM). In other words, after I buy the option the stock has to rally 10 or 15% more.
2) This is not a covered call. In a covered call, you have RIL in DEMAT, and you sell a CE against this. What you have described is a bull call spread – https://zerodha.com/varsity/chapter/bull-call-spread/
3) I prefer spreads over a regular naked position. Also, if the view is directionally strong, you are better off with futures, right?
Can I request you sir about call and put option ?
As still I have to be member of Zerodha institution .
The notes are available for you to read, there is no charges for this.
Hi Karthik,
Thank You so much for your invaluable suggestion and advice to we new bees in trade world.
My question is I have taken a 11000 CE (102.2 Premium), for 30th July expiry. The option is already in ITM now, do i need to settle physically to bag the profit or it will happen automatically after the trading hours on 30th July?
Also would request you to share a little note on physical settlement piece for both indices & stocks, since so many queries are gearing up. Highlighting the case, on how can some one earn by just selling the option before the expiry, It would be of big help for we robin hood investors.
Thanks again for your kind help and advice.
Cheers.
No physical settlement for index contracts, its applicable only to stocks.
I have sold a call and now 2 days before the expiry date i got a message that my margin requirement have reached 133% of the account balance. My trade is currently in profit. I have below questions:
a) At what point zerodha will square off this position? What would the margin percentange breach for zerodha to square off this trade?
b) Currently my margins available shows -2.22L. Am i paying any interest/charges to zerodha to get this margin as its negative now.
I believe you have a stock options position. Answering below-
a. Zerodha can square-off the position anytime on Wednesdsay and Thursday of the expiry week once you have breached 100%.
b. Yes, interest at 0.05% per day will be charged for the negative balance in the account.
It read this very long ago that a zerodha trader earned lakhs by trading minutes before expiry but ended up defaulting as he has to pay much more than that as STT, atlast zerodha payed the penalty to the exchange. Does that mean we should never forget to close the contract before expiry. Kinda scary 😨
Luckily that problem no longer exists, do read this – https://tradingqna.com/t/no-more-stt-trap-on-exercised-in-the-money-options/18977
i have sold a put option of HINDUNILVR 2000PE AUG , my query is now zerodha has taken margin of approx 85000 and suppose till the expiry my trade becomes in the money and i wish to take physical delivery so how much margin i have to maintain 2000*300=600000-85000 which comes to 515000, or 600000 excluding the margin of rs 85000 which is paid by me to zerodha.
and could you explain the increase of margin requirement on wed and thursday
You will need 100% of the contract value, Sourav. This includes the margin blocked initially.
Hii Karthik,
I have 2 queries if you don’t mind.
1) Does physical settlement concepts work in the strategy like Iron condor.
Suppose I made Iron condor on SBI in the 1st day of expiry Week. Do I need to take the delivery of stock in this case?
2) Suppose I sold SBI 280PE @ Rs 3 when spot price is 300 and it expires above 300 . In this case I grabbed all the premium. Do I need to take delivery as it expires OTM.
1) Any stock option that goes to ITM results in physical delivery, irrespective of the strategy you use
2) Nope, you can square off before expiry
Great work on new outlook for Varsity, Karthik. Switching between the chapters of the same module is now very easy.
But I believe there is a bug. On a standard Full HD display (1080*1920) on a chrome window, only chapters upto number 19 are displayed on the left hand side. To access chapters beyond 19, we again need to scroll down to the very end of the currently opened chapter, thereby defeating the entire purpose of having the module’s index on the left hand side.
Please make the Index scrollable, if we keep our mouse pointer over it on the left hand side of the page (Just like how Kite’s Marketwatch is scrollable)
Regards
Hey thanks for pointing this, will pass the feedback to the team.
Suppose I hold a short position in a put option with strike price at 490. If the expiry week begins with the spot price at 500, that means it is still out of the money, will I be subjected to additional margin requirement??
Yes, if you have an open position in the market and going into expiry, then you will be required to bring in the physical deliver margin.
In case of Long positions in Options, There will be a physical delivery margin charged for all In-the-money(ITM) long options.
My question is for eg ONGC is trading at 82 today in Aug series and today is Friday and next Thursday is expiry i.e 27th aug.
If I am holding 80CE since past two weeks, when will I have to pay margin on this, will it be applicable from today i.e Friday EOD or it will apply two days before expiry i.e next Wed Thurs? Its too confusing neither zerodha is explaining properly nor any other broker.
Rajesh, the delivery margins start to kick in from the Monday of the last week i.e. 24th Aug, for the August series. The margins start with a smaller % and shoots up closer to Wednesday start.
Hi Karthik sir,
Please walk me through this (live trade example). This was my very first trade in options.
Last Thursday, for bank nifty(on expiry), I shorted CE and PE around 200 points from ATM price. (Strategy was to earn the premium by EOD cuz of time decay).
Market was completely range bound(swing in the market was barely 100pts) and hence I made my profit but at one instance I was confused.
At one point when the market started falling my PE premium went in -ve. The thing which tricked me here is I had shorted at a distance 200point and the CMP didn’t even came close to it. As per the basics, if the CMP crosses the Strike price we start to incure losses.
Will you please help me to understand this scenario?
Aaryan, this is because, as the market falls, volatility increases and with the increase in vol, option premium also increases..this is common across both PE and CE. PE gains if the fall in market is swift and sharp (because the premium gains from the fall wont be enough to compensate the volatility effect).
Iam new to Options trade, i had bought Exide CE Aug 2020 series on 20th August 2020, but i it was auto squared off today (24th Aug 20202) at 3pm. Iam at a loss. Is it a normal case , as i was not informed before the square off was executed automatically. Request your advice on this, as iam bit confused on this.
Did you do an MIS trade?
Hi Karthik sir,
I am new to options trade. I have a query regarding physical delivery.
I bought 2 lots of SBI Call option with strike price 197.5 and also sold 2 lots of SBI Call option with strike price 205.
If the SBI price goes above 205(Lets say 208), will i be getting 7.5*2*3000 in my account?
If the SBI price stays between 197.5 and 205 (Lets say 203), will i be mandated to buy the shares at 197.5 price or will it still be netted off and i will get (203-197.5) * 2 * 3000 ?
Regards,
Sravan
1. Net off – No physical delivery.
2. 197.5 CE will be physically settled, other will expire worthless. So yes, you will receive the shares in his DEMAT
in the gambling analogy, when you sell call or put you are the house and the buyer of the put or call is the gambler…and house mostly wins. is that the right way to think and make enough safety spread of selling call and put to collect the premium. pls let me know what you feel.
Well, you just reduced trading to gambling, it is not 🙂
Hi Karthik,
I’m a beginner and I’ll be grateful if you can answer my queries given below. Please note that all my queries are regarding options trading in Nifty.
1. Is there a fixed value of the percentage(SPAN+Exposure) that is used to calculate the initial margin required? If it’s not fixed, what number should I use to calculate a decent approximate value(in case I don’t want to be precise)?
2. I’m a bit confused about the margin requirement for NIFTY option seller. Once I’ve opened by selling(by having the required initial margin), can the margin required change(increase) with the changing premium of the option? Will it be calculated daily? And if I’m holding the option till expiry, do I need to have the full margin(SPAN+exposure), each day or is it okay if I just have the SPAN margin?
3. Can it happen that I bought an option and I’m in profit but I’m unable to square off(sell) my position?
4. Can I pledge the shares of stocks/ETFs that I’m holding to fulfill the margin required in NIFTY option selling? What happens when the margin requirement increases before the expiry? Do I need to pledge some more shares? Will some shares be squared off by Zerodha?
5. I noticed that buying at certain strike prices of NIFTY is sometimes not allowed however I can sell at those strike prices. I wanted to know if there will be a problem if I will try to close my open position(short). Since I will need to buy to close but buying is not allowed I got confused.
6. Is the margin requirement for option selling calculated on the basis of previous day’s closing price or the latest LTP of that strike price?
7. In order to calculate the brokerage/charges incurred while holding a buy/sell option till expiry, what do I need to enter at sell-price/buy-price in the calculator?
1) Not fixed, depends on the volatility for the given day
2) Yes, it does change and it largely depends on the volatility
3) Yes, depends on the liquidity of the option contract
4) Yes, do check this – https://zerodha.com/z-connect/zerodha/bulletin-latest-at-zerodha/understanding-the-new-margin-pledge-system
5) No, there are no issues with the squaring off open positions
6) Everything including the volatility matters
7) Brokerage is flat Rs.20 for every executed order. So if you buy and sell once, brokerage is 20+20=40.
CAN YOU TRADE OPTIONS INTRADAY AND HOW TO cllose your position
Yes, you can.
Sir.. what if I trade in index like bank nifty and nifty….
Case 1. – what if I buy 2 lot of nifty/banknifty and didn’t sell on expiry so how can I buy index physically
Case 2. – what if I sell 2 lot of Nifty/banknifty and didn’t buy or didn’t square off my position on expiry…..
So do I again need to pay anything
1 & 2) Indices are not physically settled. If you let it expire, then it will get settled by the broker and exchange
Hello team,
I have a long futures of Tata motors lots zise 5700 at 155
I have sufficient funds to take delivery for the same
Suppose on expiry Tata motors is settled at 135 so there will an loss for me for rs 20 but as I said I am ready to tak physical delivery as my view is that stock will move in few other trading session
So after physical settlements my demat acccunt will get credit for 5700 share at what rates at 135 or at 155
The shares will be credited at the rate of 155.
Hi sir,
How can we exercise an option?
• Does option contract gets automatically exercised, when we hold an option (which has intrinsic value) till the expiry and without squaring it off.
• Does it attract any brokerage? (kinda like in cash segment, if we don’t square-off our MIS positions)
1) Thats right, provided the options are ITM by expiry
2) MIS positions have to be square off during the day, else it will be squared off by the system. Yes, the brokerage will be charged.
I have a bullish view in TATA steel so I deployed put spread in current month expiration I sold ATM option and bought OTM option. 1)Now let’s assume that TATA steel stock goes opposite of my direction and then both the options goes ITM. Before expiry I just can’t exit the trades because of High BID/ASK spread. Will the physical settlement will happen? Or they will cancel out each other since both are ITM? and it will be cash settled. 2) At what prices will my long option will get executed after expiration? LTP or BID ASK rate? 3) If the OTM option which I bought goes ATM and the ATM option which I shorted goes ITM will the Physical settlement take place of ITM put option which I sold in expiration? 4)If I don’t exit my credit spreads trades in last 2 days will there by any hike in margin requirement?
1) If both the legs are ITM, then it will be offset. Else, the one which is ITM will be physically settled
2) At the strike price
3) Same as 1
4) Yes, as you move towards expiry, margins will increase
Hi, my query is regarding squaring off the position at expiry Day.
1. If my position, put or call, are at OTM and are in profit, do I need to square off or system will square off automatically?
2. Is there any change in profit n loss of my otm position due to squaring off by myself or system?
Thanks in advance!
1) If it is a NRML position and on the expiry day, then the position will be settled by the broker/exchange, provided you have sufficient margins
2) If its an MIS position, which you’ve not squared off, then the system will square this off. A brokerage of Rs.50 + 18% GST is levied for this. Check this – https://support.zerodha.com/category/account-opening/getting-started/charges/articles/auto-square-off
Hi,
(1)SUPPOSE I HAVE SOLD STOCK OPTION PE @55/- AND REMAIN OTM AND ON EXPIRY DAY PRICE IS SHOWING AS 1/-. BUT COULDN’T CLOSE THE POSITION DUE TO ILLIQUIDITY OR NO SELLER ON EXPIRY DAY. IN THAT CASE SHALL I GET THE PREMIUM (55-1)=54*LOT SIZE ?
(2) IF STRIKE PRICE BECOME ITM WHAT POSITION SHOULD I TAKE AGAINST MY PUT SHORT TO AVOID PHYSICAL SETTLEMENT ?
PLZ HELP
1) You get to retain the entire premium since the option has expired worthlessly
2) A call option
Hello Sir,
I have sold HDFC SEP 1750 PE & LT SEP 900 PE. Both are now in the money option. I like to take delivery of any one of them as there is fund shortage. Now my question is, if I do not square off till expiry from any of the above position (as both are CTM option) maintaining the fund to take single delivery then what zerodha will do on expiry?
As we head into the delivery, your margin requirements will go up. In case of insufficient margins, the position will be closed by the risk management team.
Hi What will happen when someone is running covered call? Will this be netted off or result into physical delivery? I was running reliance covered call for Sep2020 expiry. My margin has been cut but i have not received the shares
Yes, your shares will be debited in case the sold call results in an ITM option.
Hi Karthik,
Enjoyed reading the posts. But I had a question related to physical settlement.
Suppose I buy & sell call option of the same underlying (but at different strike prices), will it come under netted off position ?
Ex. Suppose I buy Infosys CE with strike price 1350 at 75 Rs & sell Infosys CE with strike price 1340 at 90 (the values are hypothetical & just taken for example sake, not related to real prices at all). What will happen if expiry spot price is:
1. less than 1340 (both options out of money) : I’m assuming I won’t have to take/give delivery of Infy for either option & will be able to get the net Rs. 15/share premium.
2. between 1340 & 1350 say 1348 (only 1 option in the money): can I pay off the 8 Rs/share from the net 15 Rs/share premium I received or do I’ve to give the delivery of Infosys shares (I’m guessing it should be the second way but not sure)?
3. more than 1350 say 1355(both options in the money): This is where I’m not sure. Since, from 1 option I’ve to take delivery & from another option I’ve to give delivery. Can I just pay off the difference of Rs. 10/share from the net Rs. 15/share premium I received ?
Thanks,
Aditya
1. If both options are OTM, no physical delivery.
2. The short CE 1340 is ITM and will lead to physical delivery. Since it is short calls, you will have to deliver the shares or it will lead to short delivery(auction settlement will follow).
3. As you explained, there is give delivery for 1340 CE short and take delivery for 1350 CE long, this will be netted off for your account.
Dear Karthik,
Let’s assume I have bought deep ITM options and the price of the option is big ( I know its doesnt matter ), but what happens if there is no buyer. This can be a noob question. meaning I bought the Long Call or Put options, however Since this is ITM and very very low volume, what happens if I dont find a buyer ? What happens to the person who sold the call or Put options ? Can you please throw some light ?
In that case, the position will be stuck but will be settled by expiry.
Dear karthik, Faisal,
a. I understand that Nifty options ( index options ) are still settled in cash. Is it true ? if not then how to take delivery of Nifty ? Is it like 75 * 11500 = 8.62lacs ?
b. In this case, What happens say If I had long Nifty 11500 Put, and Nifty closed at say 6000 for the month. What happens if I dont close my postion and keep it in my account ?
c. In the 2nd case, what will be my tax implications on
1. I sell is before the expiry ?
2. I dont sell is before expiry? Which is the higher tax ?
Thanks for the great Job, Waiting for your reply.
a) Index is cash-settled
b) It will be cash-settled
c) Tax depends on your overall trading activity. Expiry has nothing to do with this.
Sir if I do not wish to get into physical settlement hassles, as, one I am a student and do not have a large base to start off with apart from some pocket money and two am a complete newbie to this idea of trading Options. So, I just wanted you to confirm this- if I have an account with Zerodha and a plan to start trading in Options, what is maximum time till which I can exactly hold my long calls/puts(not planning to venture into short calls/puts) in stocks (for indices i understand no delivery is required) before expiry, so that I do not have to bother at all about having a physical delivery.
Many thanks for all the modules, sir! Truly amazing content and lucid explanation!
You can square off the position anytime before the expiry. Usually, the margin requirements go up the last week of the series, so you may want to plan your trades such a way that you exit before the last week.
HI,
I am an account holder with zerodha, my question is Can i Buy call option of an Equity Stock on the Expiry Week?
thanks
Yes, you can.
DOES THE MARGINAL AMOUNTS REMAIN SAME FOR THE SAME UNDERLYING IN FUTURE & OPTIONS (SELLER) .LIKE THE LOT SIZE WHICH ALSO REMAIN SAME FOR BOTH
More or less for the given day.
Can a writer/seller of options can square off the position after receiving the premium (if yes then in how many days from initiation). Or the options to square off is given only to options buyer.
Thank You for creating the well simplified , non-motorized , zero fee content for everybody who is genuinely interested in Market
You can sq off right after you sell, no need to wait for the expiry.
If I buy a put and on expiry it becomes ITM, how to exercise it in zerodha? Will it be automatically excercised?
At the time of buying, you need to ensure you have the necessary margins.
Hi Karthik,
I had purchased an call option BankNifty 08 Oct 23000 CE on 7th Oct. I let it expiry on the 8th Oct and Bank Nifty was 23190 at the end of the day. I should get (23190-23000)*25 = 4750 as profit. But my P&L is reporting only 505/- as profit ( difference in premiumX25).
Can you explain?
You need to account for charges right?
In f and o intraday the profit willbe credited same day or not?
On T+1 basis.
Sir before finally starting to trade i had one last question, if a long CE has been bought then it can always be squared off before the expiry even when the premium is trading at a lower rate than bought for, just to minimise my losses, right?
Sorry if it’s a very basic question.
Thanks in advance!
Thats right, Aarti. You can sq off anytime.
Also sir with regards to the doubt asked by sunil on 14oct’20(for some reason am unable to directly Reply there), the P&L should be credited with respect to positive movement ( as spot was clearly rising) in two premiums(premium paid when bought vs. premium received when sold), instead of the difference between strike and spot, right? And the difference in the two premiums could be much smaller (of course charges would have played their role), which could perhaps explain why his P&L got credited with a small amount?
Ah, unable to place this query. If this is about when the credit will happen, then its on T+1 basis. Sorry, if I’m not getting the context.
As a sidenote, if one is intending to make profits from changes in the movements of premium then, a moon shot strike price(say, 5strikes way from ATM with 45days to expiry) for long CE, should not matter, right? Because as long as the direction is right the CE should make small profit(given delta of 0.3 and close to 45% IV), is that correct sir?
Yup, on that note, if you are bullish, you may as well stick to futures right?
Had a doubt regarding zerodha. I sold an option on 25th sep in 180 premium and bought it back on 16 oct in 160 premium . So I booked a profit of around 2500/- in one lot. After market when I checked executed orders, I saw one order which I bought back the option(for closing my position) and another sell position of one lot again in 187 RS, but this was not done by me but by ADMNSQF was the description. Now I am confused why zerodha had to do that. That position is still open. Pls guide
The option in this was bajajfinsv 6000 CE
Was the original order an MIS order, which means it was squared off by EOD itself since MIS is an intraday order.
Hi Sir, I am long on tcs futures and I also have a long put option both for October expiry.. As far as I understand from the post, these positions will hedge each other and I don’t have a physical delivery obligation.. Still I got a mail from zerodha saying I have a long itm put option and I need to take care of the margins.. Even though physical delivery requirement is not there, still margins start going up from next Monday? Kindly clarify.. Thanks in advance..
Bala, yes this will offset, but additional margins would be applicable leading to expiry week.
Today (27.10.2020), I forgot to square off currency before its expiry. What will happen to that and whether it will affect my funds position?
It will be settled by the broker.
I have bought a lot of nifty option of November series at 11800 strike today I.e.30 Oct 2020. I understand that it will be settled on next Thursday by squaring up only since this is nifty option. Am I correct,sir
By when will it be convinient or safe for me to square up the same ? Kindly advise
i
YOu can square this off anytime, Sushil. No need to wait till expiry.
sir, suppose i sell SBIN 200PE and stock closes at 194 on expiry. have i to give delivery @200 or will it be cash settled as it is CTM option.
Sandeep, it will be physically settled since 200PE is ITM.
correction sir, i want to ask have i to take the delivery of sbin @200 as i sold sbin 200PE
Since you are short PE, you will have to take delivery. This is the same like long CE.
This is my first post at Zerodha and first of all, Karthik Sir, Thank you very very much for detailed explanation of in depth explanation of each point. If I see myself just a few months ago, if somebody asks me what do you know about share market, I was saying nothing much, and now if somebody asks me the same question, I can tell much much…! All knowledge is because of you and Zerodha platform.
I will say that I have understood so many things about options from these modules. Well, said that, I have certain practical queries regarding options. Kindly solve them.
–> About physical settlement in option contracts
Sir, as I understand from these modules, I understand that if we allow option ( any option contract except index options which cant be physically settled ) to expire, then physical settlement ( for all ITM options ) will happen.
My first question is, what I am understanding about physical settlement is correct ? ( Though I have certain queries regarding margin requirements and CTM ITM expiry also but I am not bothered about those things for the sake of this question. I will ask those queries later in respective sections)
Suppose I already have 300 ( = 1 lot size ) HDFC shares in my demat. Now, I want to do covered call. So, I will sell call @ 2100 ( and by doing that I will get some premium ). Now I know that before expiry anytime I can square off the position ( i.e. buy the call @ same strike price at same expiry ), but let’s say I don’t mind giving delivery of my 300 shares @2100 if option expires ITM ( i.e. at 3:30 PM if HDFC closing price is anything above 2100 ).
So what I understand is, I will let the option expire and if it expires ITM, I will give delivery of 300 shares which I already have in my demat and by doing that I will receive the fund of ( 300 x 2100 ) – ( some brokerages + some taxes which I will dig into detail later in respective section). In addition I will keep the premium money which I had already received while selling the call.
[ Why I am asking this question Actually after reading from these modules, I discussed this (above) strategy with so many of my friends ( approx 20 ), some of them are actively dealing with options in kite app, some of them are not using kite platform but another platform and actively dealing with option contracts on day to day basis. All saying that something is wrong in my understanding. Actually delivery of shares never happen after expiry. We have to square off the position before 3:30 pm by ourselves or else broker team will square off the position before 3:30. ]
Thnx.
I’m glad you liked the content here on Varsity, Dev 🙂
Yes, you are right, if you hold a short call option and let it expire ITM, then you will have to give delivery of the share and it will be settled at the strike price. I think your friends are talking about active trading of the option premium wherein there is no need to hold the option to expiry and you are free to sell it anytime you want before the expiry.
Thank You for your reply Sir 😊
Got some confidence in my understanding of the subject.
1 related question I want to ask you regarding the physical delivery of option contract ( I tried to search but nobody has shared any such experience online)
My que. is : what exactly happens after expiry of option contract ?
I mean suppose I let the short call expire ITM ( so, on expiry day it has already been 3:30 PM and regular market has closed and I am seeing the closing price of the stock which is now ITM for my strike price ).
So, now what next ?
Whether Zerodha people will call me and tell me that now you put sell order for the required quantity of shares ( which are already in my demat as I m doing covered call )
or they will take the shares from my demat directly
Or they will make me pledge shares with them beforehand before expiry day ( so if short call expires ITM, they can do the delivery on my behalf )
What exactly will be the procedure or events ?
Thanks.
[ BDW when I was searching, in your profile somewhere I read that you do education seminars in different parts of the country. I wud like to get some more info about that. Is this correct forum to ask or should I ask in any different forum ? ]
Thanks again 😊
Dev, you don’t have to do anything, the shares will be automatically debited from your account 🙂
The seminars and workshops are usually at B schools, upon their invite.
Thanks Sir 👍
Hi, I have a query about using kite platform to trade a spread. I am new to this platform…
Say I do a spread like : SHORT RELIANCE 2000 PE + LONG RELIANCE 1950 PE.
Is it possible for me to place the spread as 1 trade ? I could not figure out how… Do I have have to place 2 orders separately ? If so, does sequence of the above two legs matter in computing required margin ?
Thank you much…
Sandeep, you can use a basket order for, check this -https://support.zerodha.com/category/trading-and-markets/kite-web-and-mobile/holdings/articles/kite-basket-orders
Hello Karthik ji,
The text above says “Only ITM options will be physically settled, if the option expires OTM, they expire worthlessly and there won’t be any delivery obligation. ” The table below this text also kind of solidifies the statement.
I have a query. Suppose I have a spread SHORT RELIANCE 2000 PE + LONG RELIANCE 1950 PE. At expiry, the underlying closes at 1980. With such a spread, does zerodha allow me to exercise my right to sell the underlying at 1950 and net the two legs for me, thus avoiding delivery ?
Thanks much…
Both the legs should be ITM for net off. In this case 2000PE short is ITM, hence you will be obligated to take delivery.
> Sandeep, you can use a basket order for, check this -https://support.zerodha.com/category/trading-and-markets/kite-web-and-mobile/holdings/articles/kite-basket-orders
Got it… Perfect! Thank you again. Good night sir
Glad 🙂
Thanks a billion!!! for sharing such precious knowledge. My question is how does Zerodha makes the settlement when i do covered call strategy and the call option which i sold becomes ITM?. can you please explain me with example
In this case, you have sold the ITM CE option, hence you are obligated to give delivery of shares. The same will be debited from your account and settled at the strike price.
Hello Karthik Sir.
Query related to margin in covered call.
I have read physical settlement policy of Zerodha.
Now, I am getting confused regarding following things.
1) Whether we have to see daily margin requirement (M 2 M or similar thing ) after selling the call ?
2) If I tell Zerodha that I am doing covered call ( so I have physical quantities of shares in my demat already and so if physical delivery obligation occurs at all, I am ready to give physical delivery and there is no chance of default) , whether Zerodha allows me to sell call without initial margin requirement ? (or) whether Zerodha allows me to continue the position for last 2 days of expiry week also without increasing margin requirement to the double of initial margin ?
Thanks :-).
1) Yes, you will have to keep track of this.
2) No, unfortunately that won’t happen 🙂
Thank You for your reply Sir.
I assumed same thing & understand that.
1 more related query ( actually I went through many articles but cud not find that)
1) what is exact policy of Zerodha regarding daily margin settlement. For instance if any perticular day if initial ( span + exposure ) margin is short and let say I donot have enough balance in my Zerodha account, then, whether Zerodha RMS team will contact me ( by call or any other means) and tell me to top up the Zerodha account ?
By what time I should topup the account after getting the notice ?
2) Sir, while I was going through various articles and Q&A topics, somewhere I read that in providing margin, we cant rely completely on collateral margin ( pledged shares and mutual funds) , we have to give cash margin also. I am not able to find that article again. What is exact Zerodha policy regarding that ? How much of the required margin from the pledged shares and mutual fund will be considered by Zerodha ?
Thanks 🙂
1) Here is everything you’d need to know about RMS policies – https://zerodha.com/policies-and-procedures#tab-equities
2) Please check the above link 🙂
Hi Karthik sir,
If I have one lot of Call option of a stock of Nov month and the expiry is on 26th. Then if I square off the position on 26th before 3:20 pm (on expiry date), do I still need to undergo physical settlement process or will it be treated as a transaction being executed on a normal day.
Pls advice as expiry is 2 days to go and I don’t have enough funds for physical settlement.
No, you don’t have to go through expiry.
Sir, why all strike prices ain’t showing in Kite app. For example in option chain I can see ICICI bank strike price from 250-580, but in kite app can see till 490CE.
Thank you in advance.
Are you sure Karan? Please do recheck, all strikes are visible.
Yes sir, I’m sure. Same happens when I use Kite platform on my laptop. I can also share the screenshot.
I’d request you to please call the support for this.
What is the best time to close the open positions (iron condor) for Bank nifty on weekly expiry?
Your opinion on the underlying should dictate the time 🙂
Hello,
For say, I’ve 3000 shares (equal to f&o lot size) in my holding at avg cost of 200 rs. For hedging purpose I sold a call option of 210 at the premium of 2 rs. On the expiry it the CMP of SBI is 220 and I chose to settle it by delivering all shares.
Please explain me the P&L calculation for this scenario.
Hi!
If I have shorted call and put options for the same underlying at different strikes, both ITM, will they cancel each other out on expiry?
Both can not be ITM at the time of expiry, right? Imagine you write 400CE and 400PE, and at expiry, it is at 410, then 400PE will be OTM or if its 390, then 400CE will be OTM.
can i buy and sell single Call option in a single day,
if so, how much of a margin i need to buy and sell same call option…
Depends on the stock and the margins. YOu can check this – https://zerodha.com/margin-calculator/Futures/
Sir
I have buy Infosys 1160 CE
And sell infy 1200 CE
If infy closed on expiry at 1180 then whether there is required physical delivery?
1160CE will result in physical delivery, the other one is worthless.
In order to avoid taking delivery of a call option is it better to buy put option of same contract of same quantity during expiry week??
But that is no guarantee to no physical delivery. Both the contracts should be ITM to nullify physical delivery. So something like long CE+short fut maybe better.
Dear Sir, I don’t find suitable words to thank you and Team Zerodha for the wonderful work you’ve taken up and the degree of sincerity and excellence you are pouring in it.
My question may look strange but I wonder how standing Short Call/Long Put option of index delivered, for example Nifty 50, or is that cash- settled on expiry (by deducting difference amount from account)?
Thanks for the kind words, Rajendra. Index contracts are cash-settled as physical delivery is not possible.
Dear Sir,
Regarding my question, just a few minutes ago…Went through the article once more. Its made clear that all unsettled/rolled over stock F&O contracts are to be settled with delivery on expiry, but no mention of Index options. So does is imply that related SEBI circular doesn’t apply to index contracts and they’re still cash-settled?
Yes, that’s right, index contracts they are cash-settled.
As far as I understand for index options, no physical settlement will be there. Am I right in my understanding?
That is correct, Index options are cash settled.
Suppose I buy call option and it becomes ITM.. on expiry if I didn’t squer off the position.. It’s compulsion to take delivery..?? What happens if i didn’t take delivery due to shortage of funds…
While you approach the delivery, margin increases, if you don’t park the margin funds, then the position will be squared off.
1) If I buy future and had span + exposure = 140000
How much margin will require for physical delivery
2)if I buy put option which expires in the money
How much margin will require for physical delivery
3) if I buy future and put of same stock and put is in the money and future in loss
How much margin will require for both for physical delivery
1) Margin goes up to 100% closer to expiry
2) 100%
3) This will offset each other.
sir,
i have 1 nalco jan future at 47 and shorted 1 lot 49 CE option at 1.95 now suppose if in jan expiry nalco closes at 50 then how the settlement margin will work .
1) at 50 NALCO 49CE WILL BE ITM AND IN NALCO JAN FUTURE/
I MAY HAVE PROFIT OF AROUND 3RS PER LOT AND LOSS OF 1 RS PER LOT IN THIS CASE SHOULD I quare of my position before expiry.
2) if i am taking delivery how much money will be needed for taking delivery . how much money needed to let both expire.
thanks
zerodha user
Long Futures and short ITM CE will offset each other and you won’t have a physical delivery obligation here.
I have demat shares in the account with you. Based on those shares, I want to do shorting in options. What is the margin required? Do I need to have cash in the account before settlement or can I use my demat shares as margin?
Yes, you need cash as margins, check this https://zerodha.com/margin-calculator/SPAN/
Hi
1) I have a query. If I sell a call against the stock in my Dmat. For example I have 250 stock of Reliance in my DMAT and if I want to sell a call of a higher strike then do I need to maintain extra margin in additional to stocks in my dmat .
2) My second query is..for example if I have bought Reliance for say Rs 1900 and I sell a call for 1950 with a view to give delivery of the stock on expiry at Rs.1950 and on expiry stock is trading at Rs.1960 and I do not square/cover the call rather I plan to give delivery at Rs 1950. In such case is there any additional charges from Zerodha and Do I need to square the call mandatorily in such case by buying the call back ?
Thanks
Pawan
1) Yes, you will need to have the necessary margins to do this
2) You can let it expire (if you really wish to give your shares). No extra charges as such, all changes are mentioned and explained here – https://zerodha.com/charges#tab-equities
Thanks for our prompt Reply Karthik. I have some follow-up query as below. Can you please help me to understand on the following :-
1) In case I sell a Infy put option for Rs 1200 PE strike by collecting Rs 15 as a premium and spot price is say Rs 1350.Now lets us assume that on the expiry Infy spot price is trading at say Rs 1000/ and PE Option sold is now trading at say Rs 50 premium. I do not square my sold put option rather I want to take delivery of Infy at Rs 1200 and want to exercise this . In such case am I also liable for difference in Premium to be paid i.e. ( Rs 50-15=Rs 35 which will be 600X35=Rs 21000) what will be my financial liability towards my broker. My understanding is since I have sold PE for strike at Rs 1200 therefore I am liable to take delivery of the Infy 600 share lot @ Rs 1200 irrespective of the fact that spot price in the market is trading at Rs 1000/- . So my effective cost of buying lot will be Rs 1200 minus Rs 15 (I.e. premium collected )=Rs 1185 and I am not responsible for premium difference to be paid. Is that a correct understanding ?
Hi Karthik Ji
I guess my above query is incorrect. I am just reproducing my query for the following scenario:-
1) I sold Infy 1280 PE for Jan Expiry by collecting 10 Rs Premium.
2) On Expiry Stock is trading at 1200.So On expiry value of the PE which I sold for Rs 10 will expire at the intrinsic value of Rs 80 ( 1280-1200).
3) I am happy to receive the delivery of the stock at my contracted strike price of Rs 1280.
4) In above situation what is my obligation at expiry if I let the Option expire as ITM.
My understanding is I will need to pay 600 ( Infy lot size) X 1280=768000 plus any brokerage plus STT on intrinsic value . Is this understanding correct ? What will happen to the intrinsic value of the PE I sold. Do I need to pay intrinsic value as well ?
Your early reply is highly appreciated.
Thanks
Pawan
That’s right, Pawan. Your obligation is to receive 600*1280 worth of Infy shares. No need to pay for the intrinsic value, the option is anyway getting settled right?
I am very much new to Options. Please clarify to me, Suppose I have sold Nifty Call and Put of different srike prices in OTM and I do not squire off them on expiry date, what are the charges and credits to me , if Nifty closing price is in ITM, ATM , OTM? Please explain in detail.
2)On the option contracts expiry date, I think margin requirements will come down drastically, because of steel fall of premiums on that day. Am I right?
3)Just like intraday squiring of timings, by what time I should squire off my options positions on expiry dates?
1) Do look at the charge list – https://zerodha.com/charges#tab-equities
2) No, delivery charges are applicable, which is nearly 100%
3) Before 3:20PM
Sir my questions about physical settlement
1 if I have short deep ITM call , and i have short deep ITM put , does it Net off , if yes how profit or loss calculated
2 if i have ITM call but just after it becomes itm i buy one lot of future of same stock does it Net off if yes how profit calculated
3 in random assignment of short CTM.
a) what happens if any of position in situation 1 above becomes CTM and get assigned
b) what happens if call in covered call position becomes CTM ?
Ps: i request you to please provide detailed article about physical settlement of every possible situation , net off etc it’s necessary as there is lots of confusion around this physical settlement
1.Yes, these will net off. There will be a notional sell trade for the ITM call and a buy trade for the ITM Put. Both of these will be at the expiry day settlement price. Essentially get treated like a cash settlement.
2. If you have calls that become ITM(take delivery), the net off trade will be a short futures(give delivery). The net off will be similar to the one explained in point 1.
3. a. In point 1, if both positions are deep ITM, both will get assigned and get netted off. If the positions are CTM(slightly ITM), there is a possibility of 1 getting assigned and the other expires worthless., in this case, you will have to take/give delivery depending on the position that got assigned.
b. Naturally, for a covered call, you will have stocks as underlying, so you will have a give delivery settlement, which you can deliver from your holdings.
Sir , can you explain with example for situation in point 1 above ( short ITM call and short ITM put)
I have many stock call. How take delivery positive?
Sorry, dint get that, can you give more context?
Hi Team,
Suppose if buy a call option of INFY JAN 1300 CE at premium of 10Rs. If I was unable to square off option before expiry date and INFY was trading at 1400 at expiry date. So what will happen if do not have enough margin in account to buy the one lot of shares(600) at the end of expiry.
The position will be squared off if there are no margins available.
Sir If my long pe is at otm and unable to sell the pe then my loss is only for the purchased price or more. Please clarify.
You will only lose the premium paid. This is true for both long CE and long PE.
I have SBIN JAN PE 235 two lots i.e 6000 total as of now it is 0.05 and I’m unable to square off. What I can do ? also do I have to face more loss aprat from the amount I invested in two lots?
Looks like the option is worthless, your loss is restricted to the premium you’ve paid.
when i can see cash secured put physically setttled shares in my holdings?
2 days over after expiry day, but still shares not shown in holdings of my demat account.
Please check today, if not, I’d suggest you speak to the customer care.
Hi,
Last month I sold call option of ITC of strike price of 230 the current price was trading @ 210 on Monday last week of expiry. So, I guess this is Out of the Money at that point of time. Still, I received message for increased margin amount.
Also, lets say if don’t expire my position and current price closes @220 which is below the strike price then also I need to give physical delivery of the shares.
P:S – I don’t hold any shares of ITC in my demat account.
Yes that is OTM. However, as we head to the expiry week, irrespective of the moneyness of the option, the margins will increase and if you wish to hold these options then you will have to have enough margins. Yes, no physical delivery for OTM options.
Sir if I sell put of a share at 100 strike price and current price is 150.
1. What kind of settlement will be done if current price comes to 90. Do I get the delivery of shares at 100 or 90? ( if I maintain the margin)
2. What should I do to take the delivery or it will take place at automated basis? But, if so then again at what price settlement will be done 100 ( strike price) or 90 ( current market price)
1) If the underlying price is 90, then 100 PE is in the money. Since you’ve sold, you will have to take delivery of these shares at 100.
2) It will be automated, so you will have to just ensure sufficient margins are maintained.
if i have shares in cash say 3 lots asian paints i.e 900 shares and i short 2400 CE option
what will happen if Asian paints goes to 2600n expiry to my 2400 CE option can i let it expire as i have equal amount of shares or i will be forced to buy more as 2400 wwill be in the money by 200 points??
If you short 2400CE and the spot price goes to 2600, then the 2400CE will expire ITM which means you will have to give delivery of the shares at 2400.
but as i already have shares in cash so they will be sold off automatically i.e netted off
If it goes to physical delivery, then the shares will be debited against your obligation.
If F&O trading goes for physical settlement then what happens to premium amount paid in option buying. Is premium amount adjusted in total cost or it get lost ? Please explain.
Yeah, it is accounted for.
Hello Sir,
If I buy a put/ call option of stock and if I couldn’t close it because of illiquidity, what will happen?
It will get settled upon expiry based on its moneyness.
Sir,
1. Can we place a buy order for (CE or PE ); at a trigger price higher then current LTP, using order type S.L ORDER (with TRIGGER PRICE and PRICE both greater then the current LTP ) ?
2. And if we are able to do so; when and where will the order be executed . I mean to ask whether the order gets executed after the price has moved above the trigger price; or will the order be executed at the current LTP as it is a better price to buy ( similar to what happens if we place a buy limit order with trigger higher then the LTP ; it gets executed at current LTP )?
3. And as market orders are not allowed for stock options on zerodha; so if we want to exit the position at the market price (we will have to place a limit sell order with trigger price less then the LTP for exiting a long position ); ( we will have to place a limit buy order with trigger price higher then the LTP for exiting a short position ) am i correct ?
4. If we place a basket order and if it gets executed successfully; then are this positions showed separately in our position or is the combined position of the basket showed ? and can we exit our positions (executed as basket order ) separately or is it necessary to exit all the positions executed by basket at once ?
1. Yes, you can place an SL order.
2. Your order will sit in the exchange’s passive orderbook until the trigger price is hit. Once the trigger price is hit, your limit order is released to the active(normal) orderbook.
For example, an option contract has an LTP of 10 and you placed a trigger at 12 with a limit price of 12.5. Once the contract hits 12, your limit order gets sent at 12.5. Depending on the availability of a seller, your order will get executed at 12.5 or lower.
3. Correct.
4. While the basket executes as a whole, positions will be shown separately. You can exit them individually or create a basket for the exit too.
If i buy deep ITM Call and Put both of Nifty options, and if i don’t close the position on the day of expiry, how would be the settlement, and if i don’t close, will i get any penality ????
Since both the options are ITM, the entire position would net off.
Thank You Faisal; just clear me once that are the market orders blocked on both ( buy / sell ) side or are they only blocked at the buy side ?, and if market orders are blocked only on the buy side then can we exit my long ( CE/ PE ) position directly by placing sell market order ( if market orders are allowed on the sell side )?
sir i had a doubt regarding Black and scholes model, this chapter on physical settlement might be the wrong place for asking a question on B&S. However, i couldn’t find the right chapter, perhaps cause i am in a little hurry. Regardless, here’s my doubt: Sir in b&s model we assume that no dividend will be paid during the options tenure. But what if we have ex-div market price per share and dividend is constant each year, which is known. Say, ex-div price is 610rs , div is rs 25 and risk-free rate is 6%. What is going to be our Pa(underlying share price)?
Aarti, B&S model has an option to factor in dividends as well (as far as I know).
Very Useful Content…thank you
Happy reading.
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I have taken a call option for Auro pharma 400 for Feb exp @ 30.
Call option is trading @ 20. What will happen if I don’t settle this at the end of the expiry if I maintain sufficient balance in my account.
Will it be delivered to my Demat ac in cash or this will hold no value after the expiry
Thats right, you will be physically settled assuming Auro pharma closes above 400 on expiry day.
Karthik,
Awesome content as always.
One quick clarification, I understand the short call ITM options have to give physical delivery of shares. Suppose I don’t have the shares in my Demat till Thursday but I buy them on Thu morning before the expiry will that do? Or do I need to buy them on the Mon or Tue of the expiry week? (Because of the T+2 settlement) Or is it even earlier when placing the order for the short call option?
Thanks,
Peter
Peter, that won’t do given the T+2 settlement. Yes, you’d have to buy on Mon/Tuesday to avoid short delivery.
I’ve a query w.r.t brokerage charged for physical delivery of options.
1) I sold AsianPaints 2500 PE for Jan Expiry by collecting 10 Rs Premium.
2) On Expiry Stock is trading at 2400 .So On expiry value of the PE which I sold for Rs 10 will expire at the intrinsic value of Rs 100 ( 2500 – 2400).
3) I am happy to receive the delivery of the stock at my contracted strike price of Rs 2500.
How can I calculate the brokerage charged for this delivery ?
My understanding is I will need to pay 600 ( Infy lot size) X 1280=768000 plus any brokerage plus STT on intrinsic value . Is this understanding correct ? What will happen to the intrinsic value of the PE I sold. Do I need to pay intrinsic value as well ?
Your early reply is highly appreciated.
Thanks
Pawan
Rohit, is it Infy or Asian paints 🙂
Anyway, since you have sold the Put option, the obligation is to take delivery at the strike price.
Sir
Sir plzz take seriously my question
I brought reliance 2100CE feb @48rs off 250 shares = 12000 premium and before 3days of expiry i got loss of 43 rs then what will be the max loss, when I’m going to exit the position it shows u have enough balance u need 1.05 lakh more to complete order.
What is meant that explain me and what types of chargea i have to pay
If you manage to exit at 43, then the loss here is 5. The margin requirement depends on your overall positions. Check this – https://tradingqna.com/t/is-margin-necessary-while-squaring-off-position/81018/2
Karthik –
I have started trading in options recently .
I got a message at 10:00 pm from zerodha stating that “We see that you have an F&O position in contract with compulsory physical delivery .Please ensure you have sufficient margin/stocks to avoid your position being squared off .
There is still 2 days to go before expiry and I can square off my positions before expiry so I just wanted to understand why am I getting this message now. Am I missing something?
Vivek, this is because of the physical settlement of stocks. As we approach the expiry week, the margin requirements increases and the client is expected to maintain these margins, else the position will be squared off by the broker. Do check this – https://support.zerodha.com/category/trading-and-markets/margin-leverage-and-product-and-order-types/articles/policy-on-physical-settlement
Karthik- you are doing a superb job replying to each post. Had a quick question on covered call but with a long futures buy instead of shares in demat
What happens on expiry in case I buy adani futures at 800 and sell the 850 call for 40 rupees
Could you help me with scenarios of of adani ending at 750/800/850?
Gaurav –
1) @750, futures will be settled at 800 i.e. you need to take delivery at 800. 850 CE will expire worthlessly
2) @800, same as above
3) @850, same as above
Anything above 850, then the physically delivery will be offset and the difference will be settled in cash.
How much will be the overall brokerage on future delivery positions?
20 per executed trade.
Hi Sir,
Suppose I sell call option of SBI with a strike price of Rs. 200/- and I don’t square off the position.
If the option is in the money on expiry date July 30, 2020 and SBI stock closes at Rs. 210/-
It is explained by you that, I have to give delivery of 3000 shares of SBI
but I wish to know whether intrinsic value of Rs. 10(210-200)*3000= 30000/- will also be debited from my account.
Please, clarify.
Does It mean now all types of futures and options are settled physically and no cash settlement exist in derivative market unless sold or rolled over before expiry?
All stock options and Futures are. Index contracts are still cash settled.
Even if I missed the expiry? Then what about the physical settlement circular of 2018?
Sorry, dint get your query. What exactly are you looking for?
As we maintain margin for both positions in futures so isn’t here a concept of unlimited loss?(I am a beginner and going through your varsity course before starting trading).
Sorry, Tushar. Can you please elaborate on this query, dint get it.
Can we suffer unlimited loss in futures ? If yes, then in which position?
Yes, in both long and short positions.
Thank you for your reply☺️.
But One question from your futures module certification test says “going long on futures is riskier than shorting futures”. How?
Its not, they both carry equal risk.
Sorry ignore this one I misunderstood it.
Dear sir i purchased one lot of hero moto corp 3700 ce march expiry on 26th feb. The premium has almost become half now and i wish to sell it.
1. Do i need to have extra margin to sell the option? In simple words, the max amount i can lose wont exceed my investment amount right?
2. if the option becomes ITM before expiry, do i need extra margins for this as well to sell when my trade gets profitable or it can be sold as it is?
1) No extra margin required
2) Yes, margin requirements increase as we approach expiry.
Hi,
I purchased Normal option selling in USDINR in 72.75 at premium is 0.05… Now the strike price is OTM…
But i didnt buy the order before expairy…
Now the strick price is OTM also…
My margin are blocked for SPAN & Exposure…
Can u suggest what will happen after expairy and how SEBI settle tge amount…
Bharath, the margins will get unblocked after the expiry of the series or the time you choose to square off the contract. Till then, the margin will be blocked.
i did not understand NIFTY settlement. if carryforward my OTM hedged position and very next day if position goes ITM, if i exit my position with little loss. how such profit or loss is calculated. based on closing price or exited price
NIFTY 18th w MAR 14700 PE NFO -150 65.55 65.55 0.00 0.00%
NRML NIFTY 18th w MAR 14750 PE NFO 150 49.15 88.00 +5,827.50 79.04%
NRML NIFTY 18th w MAR 14800 PE NFO -75 69.73 115.75 -10,935.00 65.99%
NRML NIFTY 18th w MAR 14900 CE NFO -150 52.58 22.00 +4,586.25 -58.16%
NRML NIFTY 18th w MAR 14900 PE NFO 75 106.15 191.00 +6,363.75 79.93%
NRML NIFTY 18th w MAR 14950 CE NFO 150 25.98 16.25 -1,458.75 -37.44%
NRML NIFTY 18th w MAR 15100 CE NFO 75 16.55 7.50 -678.75 -54.68%
NRML NIFTY 18th w MAR 15200 CE NFO -75 8.80 5.40 +255.00 -38.64%
NRML NIFTY 18th w MAR 14850 CE NFO 0 0.00 33.25 -120.00 0.00%
NRML NIFTY 18th w MAR 14850 PE NFO 0 0.00 153.00 -1,038.75 0.00%
NRML NIFTY 18th w MAR 15000 CE NFO 0 0.00 12.00 -1,102.50 0.00%
Total +1,698.75
Its based on the exit price, Tejas.
Hello Zerodha, I am new to options and I am trying to learn how it works from varsity. I dont understand the nudge in kite “This contract will be physically settled on expiry and requires additional physical delivery margins if the position turns ITM. You can trade in the next expiry if you wish to avoid this.” Does it mean physical delivery is applicable if position is held till expiry? Can i trade options before expiry and this wont apply? I am trying to open and close positions before expiry date looking for profits in premium difference. Can I do that without taking delivery of shares if done before expiry date?Thanks.
Deepak, physical delivery margins are required only if you hold to expiry. Else you can quickly trade in and out without the need for a physical delivery margin. However, if you trade closer to expiry, then the physical delivery margin is applicable.
Thank You @ Karthik Rangappa..!
Hi Sir,
I am new to options trade. Suppose I Buy call option of SBI with a strike price of Rs. 200/- and I don’t square off the position.If the option is in the money on expiry date and SBI stock closes at Rs. 210/- will I have to maintain 3000 shares of SBI in my demat account or intrinsic value of Rs. 10(210-200)*3000= 30000/- will be credited to my account.
In this case you will have to have enough margins to buy 1 lot of SBIN at 200.
Why more margin need when buying shares in delivery (CNC) and hedging with selling call options and less margin needed if we buy future and hedge by selling call option OTM of equal quantity.
example i have 1 lot in BPCL (delivery in DEMAT ) but if i sell OTM call option of same shares of which i have delivery you ask more margin but if instead of delivery if i buy future and sell otm call option your system ask less margin why the differance????
Thats because the CNC position is considered for the trades in derivative segments.
Dear Sir,
All these option theory and strategies are very good theoretically. But practically only applicable to liquid options otherwise one would get stuck buying ill liquid options.
Can you suggest a list of liquid options for one to trade?
Should one trade futures instead of options?
Apart from Nifty and Bank Nifty, the top 10-15 stock options are liquid. If the trade is based on directional bets, then probably the future is a better bet.
If i sold put option of infy and it gets in the money at expiry, will i get an option to take delivery of infy stock
Thats right.
Hello Sir,
Can you specify which are the top 10-15 stocks to trade options?
And what would be the range of stocks for Futures?
The top 10 stock in Nifty 50 🙂
Sir
I am new to option. I purchased a Call option of MRF of 88000 but but the current stock price is 84000 so on the expiry day what will i do?
If the spot price is below 88000, the 84000 CE will expire worthlessly and hence you’ll lose the premium that you’ve paid.
If I sell share covered call then do i have to maintain margin money also on the day of expiry.?
Yes, you will have to.
Hello Karthik,
Suppose I sold a put of xyz stock at Rs. 1000 having lot size of 500 and i received a premium of Rs. 20.
If the option becomes ITM and stock price goes down to Rs. 800 and Im ready to take the delivery at Rs. 1000
Following are my doubts
1) Will I also have to pay this difference of 1000-800= 200 – 20(Premium)= 180*500(Lot Size) or i will simply get a delivery at Rs. 1000
No, you simply have to take delivery @1000.
Thanks for your quick response!
1) The shares will automatically get credited to my demat, if i maintain funds equivalent to strike price*lotsize?
2) Same process will be there in case of ITM call right?
1) Yes, this will be settled by the broker
2) Yes, in fact for all ITM options.
Thanks so much Karthik for clearing my doubts!
Good luck, Jatin!
Hey Karthik
Please clear one more doubt of mine,
Suppose i have a lot of itc in my demat bought at Rs. 210 per share and I sold a covered call of it at Rs.20 premium having strike price of Rs. 240 and it goes in the money. Suppose the premium goes up to Rs. 40 on expiry.
Will i have to bear the loss of Rs. 20 per share, considering im ready to give the delivery?
Thats right, you will have to give delivery at 240.
Hello Sir,
I hope you re doing well.
Hypothetically speaking Imagine stock X.
Person A has bought call options at Rs. 100 Strike price, Person B has written said options at Rs. 100 Strikeprice. Note Person B does not have physical delivery of stock X in his demat.
Both these people hold the stock till expiry. On expiry the Market price is Rs. 101
Now Person A has to compulsorily take delivery of stock X at Rs. 100 and Person B has to stock X sell at Rs. 100 via an auction.
What if there are no shares available in the equity market for person B to purchase in the auction? Assuming that day there was zero liquidity in the cash market.
Where are the shares generated for Person B to purchase in the auction so that he can sell to Person A?
Please assist me with this matter?
This is possible, the exchange follows a procedure called ‘Close out’, under such circumstance. Basically, this will be cash settled.
If auction is unsuccessful, or there is a short delivery in auction settlement, the shortages shall be financially closed out at the closeout price of the security as
determined in Capital Market.
When is the physical settlement expected to be executed from the exchange? It’s been t+2 days after the expiry and I have not got the shares yet wherein the complete fund has been blocked from my account. Could you please clarify that?
Regards,
Prathip
Monday was a holiday, it should reflect in your account today. Else, please do check with the support desk.
Hello Sir,
I had written Nifty 13850 PE expiry March 25.
I took a premium of 10 points and let it expire worthlessly.
Since on expiry the price becomes zero correct does this mean I have no additional transaction cost, like GST/STT/Brokerage?
Yup.
Hello Sir,
Let say I am holding 15000 nifty OTM CE options that become ITM on expiry.
Once expired it gets cash settled. But do I undergo transaction charge/brokerage for that?
For stock options if the similar thing happens I would be required to purchase/sell option depending on my position correct?
What brokerage am I charged, for squaring of options or delivery brokerage.
and lastly if I am holding 1 lot CE stock option and 1 lot put option of same underlying on expiry both positions square of so the transaction is cash settled. Will there be any brokerage?
Yes, the brokerage is applicable. You can check the charges here – https://zerodha.com/charges/#tab-equities
1 lot of CE and 1 lot PE PE will offset and cash-settled (for stock options), provided both are ITM, else it will be treated separately.
Hello Karthik Sir,
I don’t follow.
a) If my nifty option expires ITM. Is there a brokerage charge as OTM options that expire have no additional charge.
b) For stock options that expire ITM. Is the brokerage that charges the options brokerage or the delivery brokerage + other cost??
c) If I sell a PE stock option and it expires OTM. No charge and no delivery required right??
d) For stock options to get offset they have to be ITM correct? If I have an ITM call option and an OTM PE they will not offset during expiry right?
e) Stock options in the same expiry will offset each other correct?
Sorry for the hassle sir.
Thank you for taking time to answer my questions.
1) No
2) It the physical delivery charges
3) Yes
4) Yes, both have to be ITM
5) That’s correct.
Dear Karthik,
Basically I can just purchase any Nifty/Bank NIfty/ Fin nifty options, let them expire ITM and let them get cash settled?
So I basically only get charged brokerage once correct?
Is it better to let the option expire ITM or to exit the position before expiry and get charged additional brokerage + charges now that the STT rules has been abolished?
Yes, you can. Personally, I’d prefer to exit before the expiry.
Sir , will you collect additional margins only for ITM options or collect additional margins for all positions?
All positions, Sindhu.
I have sold a eurinr 87 apr ce. Now the call is illiquid since the value has gone above 88. There are no buyers. What happens at expiry ?? Will i have to take physical delivery of the euro at expiry ?? Or will i have a penalty and how is the value of the square off calculated at the end of the month since there is no trading?
This will be cash settled.
I have two questions
1. Suppose current Market price of Reliance is 2000. If I sell a put of 1800 strike with 29 Apr 2021 expiry andif upon expiry my position is ITM,will the shares be delivered to my demat automatically or do I have to do anything? Does it require any signed consent letter or sonething?
2. Suppose in above situation instead of selling put, I sell 2200 CE and it goes in the money say Reliance ends up at 2250 on expiry. Do I have to give delivery then? And If I don’t have the shares in my demat how is the position settled?
Thanks in advance.
1) Put Sell results in taking delivery, so you need to have enough margins in your account to take delivery of shares. No consent needed
2) Sell call results in giving delivery, if there are no shares, it will be considered default and a penalty will be levied.
Namaskar Sirji,
Early in the chapter Volatility Applications you had mentioned that you generally avoid writing options near evens like rbi policy, corporate announcements.
I will ask you this.
When exactly should one implement a long straddle or short straddle.
A few days before an event, the volatility always tends to rise. But the market could move either way also.
Not sure how to go about this?
Can you please explain
Are you sure? 🙂
I must have said that writing options around events is better because of higher volatility. Even the case study supports this right?
i am new to option trading , can you please guide me to do option trading in zerodha…
We have two modules on Options, request you to check the same.
Sir,
As per the basic definition bof the options, a long option (whether call or put) gives the buyer of option right to exercise the option(buy the stocks in case of call or sell the stocks in case of put). If this is the case even if the long callbor put becomes in the money buyer should get option to exercise his/her right and should not be compulsorily exercised forced to buy the stock or give the delivery ( since he is option buyer and already paid premium to get this right).
However, by reading this module and the answers given to various questions, it seems that even option buyer is compulsorily made liable to exercise nhis option which is against the very nature/ concept of long options. Is it SEBI requirement or just Zerodha has mandated it for ease of implementation. Kindly clarify.
Laxmi, this is how the contracts are structured. Think about it, if you hold a contract and then leave the decision to being open-ended, then the entire purpose of standardizing contracts becomes a futile attempt right?
Hi Nitin
Hope this message finds you well.
For nifty and bank-nifty options, in case I forget to square off my open option position on expiry day – how physical settlement will happen. Will it be spot mines ITM options or something else?
The index contracts are cash-settled, based on the moneyness of the option.
I hold a call option currently OTM, so when should I square off sir.
Thanks in advance.
Hi Karthik,
ques : On the expiry thursday, I have ITM Call which was utilising Margin of lets say 2 lacs.
To take delivery I need lets say 10 lacs. Will that mean I need 8 lacs more only (since 2 lacs is still being utilised by that call option) ? Or will it need entire 10 lacs and free my 2 lacs the next day?
Yes, you’d need full delivery margins.
Sorry, small correction. It is ITM put sold instead of call. 😅
If one buys any ce or pe option on expiry or day before expiry day of any stock than while maintaining the margin required because of the new rules.. he should square it off if his trade has resulted in profit or loss, or else there would arise an obligation to exercise the options.. meaning one can hold the contract till expiry or enter into a new trade in options on expiry or day before but in order to avoid the taking or giving of delivery of stocks.. he should square it off or else will be forced to comply with taking or giving delivery… right?
Thats right, Karanbir.
sir i hava little bit confusion about margin for PE sell option for physical settled of share. For example i sell PE of Reliance 1800 ( lot size 250) and for this position i already paid 95000( say). i want to know if this call becomes ITM then i have to pay 1800*250=405000 or 310000 ( 405000-95000=310000. Sir please clarify . Thanks
YEs, you will need to have the full value of the contract.
thanks . But what about my blocked margin?
Will be released when you sq off the position.
Do you allow intraday trading in stock options on expiry day after the new rules which have been enforced as i saw a notification on your kite app which shows you cannot trade itm options on expiry day?
Hi Sir
Sir, can you suggest where can I get the historical data of the option chains for a particular day, with all the charts (1min, 2min, 5 min, 1 jour etc)
Ah, this may be a tough ask. Maybe you should check with Sensibull.
Sir, checked Sensibull pro as well. Also, many other sites but no luck.
Thank you so much for the prompt reply.
Ah ok. I’m not sure where else. Good luck, Ankur.
sir thank you very much for reply. Still i thing i want to know that if my sold PE is ITM then at what price it will be squared off means 1. Price @ i sold PE ( say 15 )
Or 2. Price @ expiry time ( say 25).
Please clarify because i am taking share delivery then sold PE loss i have to bear?
It will be settled at the settlement price of the option, Jitendra, which is the price at expiry.
HI! Do you allow intraday trading in stock options on expiry day after the new rules which have been enforced as i saw a notification on your kite app which shows you cannot trade itm options on expiry day?
thanks karthik sir. After yours such a nice explanation the option things looks very interesting. sir there is any parameters at which we can select shares for option selling (PE/CE)?
If my view is bullish and I hold a CE and it gave me a Profit. Margin money in my demant account for holding the trade, in that case, be X. Then on the time of position square-off Karne I need to sell the option. So in that case Will the broker ask me to increase my margin money? Because in selling it asks for a greater margin, they ask for 1-2L if I want to sell any option.
If you dont have any other position open, then there won’t be a situation for a higher margin and you can square off easily. But at times, there could be if you have an open position. Check this https://support.zerodha.com/category/trading-and-markets/margin-leverage-and-product-and-order-types/articles/square-off-by-zerodha
Dear sir I was holding Bajaj auto April futures as well as shorted 3800 Ce. I sold my future lot in profit but didn’t square off my 3800 Ce because of liquidity. Bajaj auto closed at 3836. I don’t have delivery in my demat account to give shares. Further will it go to auction? If yes how much penalty can I face. Can you give me a physical example of this? Thanks in advance. Maximum what will be my loss.
Yes, Pratik. I think this depends on the auction market. I’d suggest you talk go the support team regarding this.
Sir they have Credited 944000 in my account as well as debited 1140000 in my account ( Being prov debit for April 29th. Is this difference amount is my loss?
PLease do check with the support team for this.
Suppose I have shorted a call for which I have adequate shares in my demat account and on expiry the the contract becomes ITM, the delivery of shares is given from my demat account. What will happen to the written CE contract, I mean I will be retaining the premium received by me or not?
You need to look at it on a net net basis, your shares will be gone at a much lower price compared to the market. The premium retained will factor in this loss.
Suppose I short a lot of put option of xyz stock at 200 strike price. At expiry date current price is 220 . So it is ITM pe option. I have a lot of xyz in my demat .
What is the procedure of physical settlement?
Is it enough to have stocks in demat?
Do we have to authorise the broker using pin and OTP for taking stocks.
Please clarify ..
Thanks
If you short 200 PE, then 220 spot will OTM, right?
Sir,
1)to avoid physical settlement, can I square off just before 3:30 on expiry date? (options)
2)If sufficient margin is not available for the open position two days prior expiry, will it be squared off automatically?.
1) Yes, you can
2) Yup, you cannot carry forward the position without the necessary margins in place.
Sorry,
Let it be Call option. Then it will be ITM.
Rest query is same .
Yes, if you short a call option and it’s ITM, then you will have to give delivery of the stock. It is ok as long as you have the required amount of stocks in your DEMAT.
Thanks sir
Dear Sir,
I want to get one very basic doubt clear. If we do intraday trade on shares, we have to close our positions before 3:20.
If we buy or sell options, do we have to close them before expiry as well?
Suppose if I buy an option and the option expires ITM, I don’t have to close my position, right? After expiry, my trading account will be credited with the premium, right?
Similarly, if I sell an option, and it expires OTM, again I don’t have to close my position and will get credited, right?
Please clarify.
Thank you.
Post expiry the based on the moneyness you and the position you will either get a credit of shares or you will have the give delivery of shares. Btw, no need to hold the option to expiry, you can choose to sell it anytime you wish. If the option is worthless, then there is nothing to worry about.
I would like to clarify some doubts of Covered Call
I have APLL stock in demat holding equal to lot size 550 And wanted to do a Covered call to receive the premium.
CMP : 942 and preferred strike price 1140.( Likely to sell at this price)
My Doubts: Especially the actions from my end ( Of course Margin should be maintained, understandable)
1) If the spot price doesn’t reach to my sold call option strike price 1140 at expiry, end result is option worthless, but should i do something from my end? The position will close itself with profit of premium collected & margin will be released.
2) If the spot price is at 1140 which is equal to my strike price, then what would be the condition?
3) If the spot price is 1200 and if i am ready to give delivery of my stocks, what would be the P&L, ( Should I pay the difference amount 1200-1140) or only delivery of my holdings and get the money ( 550 * 1140 = 6,27000 + premium which is already received)
Please clarify and Thanks for your support.
1) Yes, no action from your side apart from making sure you’ve got the stock + margins
2) The option will still be worthless, you get to retain the premium
3) Delivery from the holdings at 1140.
Thanks for your feedback and appreciate your support. I read your varsity material, sometimes when it comes to practical applications, doubts are getting created in our mind.
Happy reading, Siva!
Sir, I was asking about options with index as underlying. Could you please tell me about that?
Query at comment – May 08, 2021 at 6:03 PM
Sorry, missed that. The index is cash-settled and not physically settled.
Hello,
I have a question on physical settlement and mark to market.
In cash settled transactions, M2M gives a cumulative position of the profit/loss. When M2M is credited to trading accounts, it implies cash settlement eventually. However I am not able to understand how this would work in the case of physical settlements?
Instead of cash, the equivalent of stocks is moved.
Hi,
I have bought liquid bees and pledged these to get margin for options writing. Suppose I have sorted PE of a stock which goes in the money at expiry. In this scenario, physical settlement will be applicable. Now pls clarify following.
1) As I am ready to take delivery and have sufficient margin too in the form of liquid bees. Will I need to unpledge my liquid bees and sell them to ensure sufficient cash in account or it will be automatically done by Zerodha?
2) What will be the rate of brokerage charges in physical settlement?
Regards
Neha,
1. The physical settlement will happen because you have sufficient margin. However, since this is a take delivery position, you will need to pay cash for the stocks credited to your account leading your account into a debit. You can either sell the stocks physically settled or unpledge and sell the liquidbees to make good of the debit.
2. Since there are additional risks associated with physical delivery, you will be charged 0.25% of the settlement value as brokerage.
Hello sir
I have one hedged position
ITC MAY 200 CE LONG
ITC MAY 210 CE SHORT
I will try to close the positions on monday or Tuesday of expiry week but if I am unable to close the hedged position because of illiqidity
Then will the position be netted of on its own or I will receive the physical delivery msges from zerodha near expiry
That’s right, in case you don’t close the position and these get into the expiry, then based of the moneyness of the option, there will be a physical delivery situation. However, if both the strikes are ITM upon expiry, then it will be net off. Really depends on the spot price upon expiry.
Hello sir
I took 4 lots bull call spread in ITC
LONG ITC 200 CE
SHORT ITC 210 CE
If till expiry itc price goes to 215 and both the contracts become itm
1 )Then will I get physical delivery msges from zerodha
2)will the spread netted off by exchange
3) netting off is done by zerodha itself or we need to do something extra
3)in charges 0.1 % stt you mentioned will be on margin required or will be on entire contract value
1) No, the positions will net off
2) Yes
3) Nothing extra from your end
4) On the contract value.
Hello sir
Let me appreciate you first.
You are so prompt and perfect
A big thanks from my side
Sir
In bull call spread
Buy 200 ce itc april expiry
Sell 210 ce itc april expiry
If at expiry
Itc price is somewhere 213
So
my buy position is itm
And
My sell position is ctm
1 Can they be netted off or
2 I will get physical delivery msges from zerodha
Hi Preeti, yes, looks like these two will net off.
Hello sir
In bull call spread if buy position expires itm and sell position expires ctm
Will they be netted off
Yes, they are likely to be netted off.
Sir
Is it confirm that in the last week of expiry
we will not get any physical delivery msges from zerodha if the position is hedged
I am asking this because one of my friend claims that he received physical delivery msges even when his position was hedged
Thats right, we do send a msg even if the position is hedged.
Hi Sir
I am new to options trading. Pls tell me that if I have shorted option contract (Call or Put) and the contract ends Out of Money i.e expires worthless, is there a need for me to squareoff my position on the last day of expiry by placing a squareoff trade or will it be automatically be squared off @Rs.0.00 and the full premium be credited to my account?
Not required Neeraj.
Hi Sir,
One smal query regarding margin for covered call.
1. I have 250 quantities of reliance at 1900 in my demat.
I pledge these shares for margin and i use 50% of my own cash and 50% of this pledged margin for selling 2000 ce at 40 rs.
Now when nearing expiry the margin requirement will increase almost 2× , so do i have to square off my option contract if i dont know have enug cash to maintain margin.
2. If reliance expires at 2020 on last thursday, should i have to unpledge the shares and give delivery or the exchange can get pledged shares directly?
3. Lets say if on last thursday reliance ends on 2040 and i didnt covered my call option contract , and if i try to unpledge the shares that thursday i will get it the next day only . So when will exchange take physical delivery from my account. End of last thursday or any specific day.
4. If reliance ends near 1980 and if i have pledged shares for margin, and i covered 2000 ce on expiry and if i try to unpledge the shares and the next market if it gaps down to 1950 i may lose some profits . How can one avoid such things due to 1 day difference in unpledging.
Hi Gowtham,
1. You can use the pledged margin for the additional margin required on the expiry day.
2. Yes, if Reliance expires above 2000, it will be ITM and you will have to unpledge the shares to give delivery. If you don’t, it will lead to short delivery.
3. You will need to place the unpledge request by Thursday evening. We will unpledge and have it marked to the exchange for delivery on Friday.
4. You won’t have any physical delivery obligation if Reliance closes at 1980. About unpledging, yes, it requires 1 day to unpledge currently. We are working on a process to allow selling pledging securities instantly and process the unpledge if solved.
Hi Faisal,
Thank you so much for your time. One last question,
1. If i have 5L in my account, and if i have shorted reliance 1900 pe it would need a margin of 1.5L (approx) and on expiry margin will double nearly . So as on expiry date, 3L margin is blocked for 1900 pe in this. So if reliance expires ITM (say 1880) and if im willing to take delivery of shares at 1900. Will the margin taken for 1900 pe option selling will also be considered. I.e – 2L cash+3L option sell margin = will this be enough for allowing exchange to exercise the contract.
Or should i have separate cash balance of 1900×250= 475000 amount in funds to get shares delivery.
In simple, will be my option short blocked margin will also be considered when exchange checks margin requirement shen it gives shares delivery
Yes, the 3L blocked + 2L cash is sufficient to take delivery of the contract.
Hello sir
If I am holding bull call spread
Long Itc may 200 ce
Short itc may 210 ce
And itc spot expires at 213
If I’m unable to close the position till expiry and I am getting physical delivery msges from zerodha
you mean to say still I should not worry as the position will be netted off
The position will be netted off only if both the options are ITM. In this case, since both are ITM, it will be netted off.
Dear Karthik,
In real i have a deep itm option 14400 ce for may month expiry. Now the current index spot price is 15216 assuming expiry @15300. I read on zerodha support that if you let it cash settled and dont sell before expiry you will get profit based on intrinsic value(Spot-strike price)*lot+ STT charges..
If yes
1- please help me calculate my real profit
2- Is it a good practice to let the ITM option be cash settled for more profit.
3. Current profit is 33k but as per cash settlement it will 900*75=67500?
1) If expiry is at 15300, intrinsic value is 15300-14400 = 900. So you will get 900*75 minus applicable charges
2) I’d prefer to close the position before expiry
3) You can hold the position till the last minute i.e. maybe till 3:15 on expiry day and close it.
Hello Karthik,
Why do so many websites like sensibull use The future Value as a basis for options and not the spot price??
Do we need to buy options based on the spot price or future price? As the future price is generally at a premium which can give incorrect basis?
sir i want to sail infosys jun1000pe
now my question is
1.how many mony need for this?
2.stap to sail infy jun1000 pe in zerodha (not intra day but cnc basis)
3.as we all know at the end of expary day of jun the contract vallu will be rs.05 if infosys stok vallu remain grater than 1000. can i bought on the expary day @ .05?
4.if at the time of expary infosys valu rs 980. then how i can pic delivary of infosys?
plz ans my 4 questin if i wrong in eny stage pleas correct them.
1) Please check the margin calculator for this or you can see the margin required in the order window also
2) MIS order for intraday
3) Value depends on the spot price
4) No, delivery is possible only on the expiry day
Hello Sir,
I hope you are doing well.
I have been using Sensibull for a while and I often see that they use the Future price as a reference instead of the spot price. I have also seen this on other websites as well.
Why is this the case? When we build strategies do we base them on the current future price or the current spot price??
Sorry, I think you had posted this question earlier as well, which I somehow missed answering.
Sensibull uses an improvised Black 76 model instead of the conventional Black Scholes model, which they believe suits Indian markets better. In this model, they use the futures price instead of the stock price and ignore interest rate, dividends, etc as these are implied in the futures price.
Dear Sir,
Thank you for answering my doubt.
But I have various places that also use the future chart as a reference over spot chart when placing options orders.
Why is this the case?
Also do I place my option orders via sensibull with a reference to the spot or future price?
Most people these days have made that change. I’d suggest you do both for few months and see which is giving you a better result.
Hello Sir,
But I don’t know what I should use as a reference to place option orders.
As generally during the start of the month the future is usually traded at a premium.
For example Nifty is 15301 and Nifty June 24 is 15334.
Atm would be 15300 wrt Nifty 50 and 15350 wrt Nifty June 24.
What should one do?
Futures may be better since it anyway factors in dividends and interest rate. Like I mentioned, stick to futures for a while and see how it goes. If it helps you with better results then good, else shift back to spot.
Sir, Now i got a clear idea on Physical settlement of ITM options.
Only doubt left is CTM??
Example: Wipro closes at 420 and i m having all the below 4 CEs.
1. 425CE
2. 430CE
3. 435CE
4. 440CE
Out of the 4, how many are CTM?? (What is the criteria to call an option as CTM)
How the physical settlement happens in CTM??
Is the series valid like ATM–>ITM–>CTM–>OTM ???
3 strikes above CE and 3 below PE are considered CTM option (I need to double-check). Yes, no physical delivery for CTM options.
Hi…i have query about my actual incidence while tradinh,please help me out through it
I have bought indusindbk 1020CE @45.90 of June Expiry on 25th May(2 days before May expiry) And sqaured off the position on 28th may @47.
But my account statement on 27thmay(expiry day) is showing the debit of Rs.8.73Lakh towards net settlement of equity.
Still that amount is not Credited back to my Demat account,can you please clear answer this why is it so?
Please contact the support desk for this, Darshana.
Hi,as i have asked about my Indusindbk CE query,On the same expiry day(27th May),i had 2 other Positions which i could not squared off,
1)short position in adaniports 780PE(which closed ITM)
2)long position in adaniports 830CE
Now,my question is,the debit from my acount around 8.73L ,is due to these two positions?
bro where to find option greeks
Check Sensibull bro.
Want stocks settlement day ppt or videos for options selling, through which we can get additional information.
We are working on it.
sir, if i do not square off my position in future and option before expiry, so exchange put any kind of penality on me. explain stt
No penalty. I’m assuming the option was OTM.
Hello Sir,
Thank you for this amazing module. Have learnt a lot about the option chain through this.
I have some queries, i hope it will get cleared as well.
1. I have to square off my position on the last thursday of every month by 3.30PM or till a different time? I mean what’s the last time to square off to not get the physical delivery?
2. On Monday of the last week of expiry, additional margins will be levied, so what is the percentage of the additional margin? And if i don’t have that amount in my trading account, will i have to add extra amount or it wont be reqd. as shares of other underlying is already there in my account?
3. Also, why will not anybody square off his/her position till the last thursday? I mean obviously, no1 would be doing it intentionally but what can be the possible reasons of not closing or roll-over the options??I feel if i am in the market to earn, why will i go against its rules?
Thank you.
1) 3:20PM is a good time to Sq off
2) Check this – https://support.zerodha.com/category/trading-and-markets/margin-leverage-and-product-and-order-types/articles/policy-on-physical-settlement
3) People would also want to take physical delivery of stocks, Sangeet. Hence they keep the positions open to expiry.
Sir, for the third question, If anyone wants to take the delivery, wont it be better to take it from the spot market instead of taking the delivery from the option chain. Also since the option hasn’t been squared off till the expiry, wont there be any penalty for this?
If you get an opportunity to buy a share at 450 when the same is available at 500, won’t you like it? Hence ppl take delivery via options. But for this to happen, the market has to move in the right direction.
Sir,
Apart from nifty, bank nifty and a few 5-10 stocks is looking at the OI per strike prices worth it?
Normally you consider Put OI to be bullish and Call OI to be bearish for liquid contracts.
For example
IDFC first bank has a highest OI at 60 CE which is also ATM. While it has fairly High OI at 65CE and 70 CE respectively.
While PUT OI and 60, 55, 50 are about one third of the call OI.
Looking at this Option chain one could say that market is bearish towards IDFC first bank and it is a very good chance it will not cross 65, 70 and could very well reverse from 60. As CE of 60, 65, 70 are strong resistances.
What should I do? Is it worth considering open interest for Stocks like IDFCfirst bank?
OI alone is not sufficient to call the market direction, you need to club this with both price and volume. I’ve explained this here – https://zerodha.com/varsity/chapter/open-interest/
Hi Sir,
SBIN is trading at CMP 433.6. I want to sell SBIN JUN 430 PE at CMP level 10.7. Lot size is 1500. I want to continue this contract till June expiry even if SBIN supposed dragged below 430 price say SBIN CMP 402 and SBIN JUN 430 PE went high supposed 30-50 range ( rough figure.. calculator not available) then what will happen.
Option 1 :- Will I need to buy SBIN JUN 430 PE at that times CMP and need to book the loss? Or
Option 2 :- SBINs 1500 shares will get credited to my demat account which is having enough balance for this transaction.
If Option 1 is the answer then I don’t have further questions, thanks. But,
If Option 2 is the answer then what will be the buying price? SBIN 430PE sold so buying price will be 430 or SBINs CMP of that time say 402.
Please help me to get the answers.
Thanks and regards,
Ganeshwar
If you held SBI PE sell, then yes, you will have to buy SBI. Yes, the credit will happen automatically if you have enough balance. YOu would have bought SBI at 430 in this case.
Hello Sir,
1)On Stock X I have initiated a 2 leg Bull Call spread.
Will my margin requirements increase during the last week before expiry?
1a) If both legs become ITM
1b) If 1 leg is ITM and 1 is Atm/Otm
1c) If both legs are OTM.
2) On stock X I have initiated a call ratio back spread ( 3 leg strategy uneven strategy). Usually you have 1 ITM sell and 2 OTM buy.
Will my margin requirements increase during the last week before expiry?
2a) if all three legs become ITM
2b) if 1 leg remains ITM and the other 2 remain OTM?
Sir, Regarding Srikant K V ‘s query, Aug contract is started next day of May Expiry. Ie, last week (Last Fridayof May), But not at the beginning of May. I Believe. Please correct me, If I am Wrong. ( In June- May Contract ceases to exist and aug Contract is started, ( At the end of May)
Thats right, as soon as May contract expires, Aug contract comes alive.
Hello Sir,
I think you may have skipped my question.
Hello Sir,
1)On Stock X I have initiated a 2 leg Bull Call spread.
Will my margin requirements increase during the last week before expiry?
1a) If both legs become ITM
1b) If 1 leg is ITM and 1 is Atm/Otm
1c) If both legs are OTM.
2) On stock X I have initiated a call ratio back spread ( 3 leg strategy uneven strategy). Usually you have 1 ITM sell and 2 OTM buy.
Will my margin requirements increase during the last week before expiry?
2a) if all three legs become ITM
2b) if 1 leg remains ITM and the other 2 remain OTM
1. Yes, margins will increase during the expiry week.
The sell leg will have higher margins on the expiry day regardless of the moneyness of the contract(ITM/OTM)
The buy legs will have higher margins only if the contract is ITM.
2. The same logic applies to this strategy too as explained in point 1. Each of the legs is treated individually for physical delivery margin calculation.
Hi,
I have two positions on BHEL – Sell 74 CE and Sell 80 PE – if BHEL closes in between this range, both will be in the money.
do they offset each other? or do i have to try and close these positions before expiry (i understand the margins might be high when we reach expiry) or will I be obligated to give delivery of these stocks?
Thanks,
Praveen
Yes, since both are ITM, they will offset each other.
Hello Sir,
Stock and stock options are more volatile than index options.
But why is that Index and index options have the most over night risk as they tend to gap up and gap down so many time compared to stock options??
Thats because of the liquidity of these index contracts. There are a lot more traders trading index contracts compared to stock options.
Hello Sir,
Would this mean stock options have lower overnight risk compared index options.
Obviously stock options can be influenced by other factors as well.
Risk depends on the individual profile of the stock. Yes, stock options are riskier as a number of factors can easily influence the underlying price and the option premium.
Hello Sir,
I hope you are doing well.
I have two questions for you.
1)You have mentioned that you usually exit your option positions once it becomes ATM/ITM.
Lets say I still think the existing trend will continue, do I sell my current ATM/ITM option and purchase a new OTM option? Or just let it be the way it is?
2) If I have implemented a bull call spread, bear put spread position my max profit is only gained upon expiry or if the stock moves by a very large amount. So imagine I bought SBIN 440 CE and sold 450 CE. SBIN reaches 453 making both my OTM options ITM.
Do I square of this position and re set up a 460 CE buy and 470 CE sell position?
1) Depends on the script and market situation. If its liquid, maybe continue, else you could consider selling and buying more liquid strike
2) Max profit is upon expiry, but when large moves happen, the profits will be very close to max profit and therefore you can consider squaring off the position.
Hello Sir,
Just a follow-up to my second question.
Assuming I do consider holding my 440CE and 450 CE till expiry. Since this is a hedged position and both are ITM would I have to pay additional margin? Or does the system automatically deduct it or allow me to continue without asking for more margin.
Yes, margins will go up during expiry week even if they are hedged.
I have HDFCLIFE future and itm sell call option, if it remains same during expiration, will this be netted off?
Yes, this will be offset.
Thanks Karthik, if for example the sell call becomes ATM or CTM, what will happen? It expires worthless? And I have to take delivery because of positions in long futures of HDFCLIFE?
ATM/CTM wont be an issue. Physical settlement is only when its ITM. So yeah, only Futures will be settled.
Hi
What happens if i sell a call contract for ITC for a lot of 3200 shares with a strike price of 217 , on the date of expiry the contract is out of money , meaning i get to retain the premium money . My question is , how is the margin money settled , i was charged some amount of money as margin money charged to cover the risk in case the price goes beyond 217
If the option expires worthless, then you get to retain the entire premium and the margin will be released.
So you say a CTM/otm sell option expire worthless with a long future of HDFCLIFE I need to settle, meaning need to buy the lot and only in case I have itm sell call option it’s netted off
Yes, it will be net off only if all the positions are ITM. If ATM/CTM, it won’t be netted off.
1)I m new to options If i square a position of cadila call option say a week before and if it turns itm on the expiry day do i have to take delivery?
2)Can i square off my position of July expiry before june expiry does it will lead to any penalty or delivery obligation?
1) No because you have squared off your position and out of the market
2) Yes, you can Sq off anytime you want. No need to wait for expiry.
Thanks Karthik, that helps. I think holding ITM sell call option with the spot so close but little far from strike will be considered risky as chances are that they can become ATM OR OTM and in that case better to square off both. If the spot moved so far from strike worth to keep both future and ITM call option in which case they will be netted off automatically and will earn more profit as we can keep the sell call premium as well.
True, but the risk of strike transitioning to ATM or OTM will exist. The profit will be capped in my opinion since long Fut is offset by a short call.
Hello Sir,
Can you explain delta hedging and its applications?
I’ll need to write a chapter or 2 on this topic, Rajesh. Tough to do this in the comment box.
Profit definitely capped but by exiting both future and current ITM SELL CALL earlier than contract date, We are loosing the premium which we might get if we let it to expire but carry the risk of the option be becoming OTM OR ATM on expiry which then makes me to execute long future.Imagine spot is on call strike + premium and it’s an ITM call with future in profit, if we exit both , we loose the premium of call option as it’s considered a trading of premiums. Had I allowed to expire, my loss starts from call strike + premium which will be nulled by future position.
I get your point, Arun. Perhaps its best if you paper test this for few expiries before deploying capital.
Namaste Sirji,
1) How does one know if the IV will rise/fall in the future?
2) Does the IV for all strike prices rise the same amount? Or do some rise some fall?
1) Tough to call. But you can compare the historical volatility and current volatility to get a sense of where the volatility is moving.
2) No, its stock specific.
Hello Sirji,
I mean IVs for a said stock. Do all strike prices IVs increase when they increase and vice versa or is it different?
It is not a uniform change. ATMs react differently compared OTMs and ITMs.
Hello Sir,
Imagine If I had sold IDFCfirstBank 65CE for 0.5 while the spot was 58.
Suddenly spot increases to 63 which obviously causes my premium to rise and theoretically I am in a loss. But until it crosses 65 I still am not in a loss.
So how should I place a stop loss in this kind of situation?
You can place it two ways –
1) On the spot price (and don’t look at the premium). So spot from from 58 to 63, you square off the option irrespective of the premium
2) On the premium itself (without looking at the spot). So premium moves from 0.5 to 2, you square off the option irrespective of spot price.
Hello Sir,
How would I be able to put a trigger SL if I bought sold premium and base my SL on the price of the spot?
You won’t be able to do that, you just have to track the spot closely and take a call on when to exit the option.
Hello Sir,
A) I have sold 24/06/21 IDFCFirst bank 65 CE for .50. Today was the last day of expiry yet the price is showing 0.05? Shouldn’t the price be zero as this option expired OTM and has no intrinsic value?
B) If I have just let my position expire worthlessly do I have to pay additional brokerage?
C) If I have squared of my position on the last day, I would have had to pay brokerage of 20 per lot correct?
1) Yes, it will be 0. Please check the closing prices
2) Nope
3) Yes, but its 20 for the entire trade and not per lot.
Hello Sir,
To follow up please see attached link..
1) All OTM nifty contracts are showing 0.05 as a LTP. https://imgur.com/a/FWqgxQJ
Similar situation with IDFCBank.
3) Wait isn’t zerodha 20 per lot or 20 per trade? 20 per trade would mean I could buy/sell 10 lots for 20
1) See the settlement price, what you are seeing here is the closing price (settlement price will be 0)
3) Yes sir, its 20 per trade. A trade can have 100 lots, as long as its in a single trade its 20.
Why my P&L report is not matching the ledger balance. I have deposited around 2 lakh on 6th of JUNE 2021, so my overall balance was 251000/-. But after taking multiple trades till now(24th June) my ledger balance has come down to 245979/- but my P&L report says, deduction is around -4400/-. So if i do the calculation then my ledger balance should be around 246000/-.
So my question is why zerodha deducted 600 rupees extra?
P.S : I am new to options trading.
Thanks
I’d suggest you please contact the support desk for this.
Hello Sir,
One last follow-up.
If the closing price is 0.05 where can I see the settlement price on the option chain or where ever?
Also, I currently use HDFC securities and I have 30 per lot brokerage.
The main pro of this is It is linked to my bank account and whenever I don’t want to trade money is stored in my saving account.
If I open a Zerodha account, I will have to constantly top up my account.
Many times I have heard on the news that people are complaining about the Zerodha website getting stuck or terminal crashing etc. This is scary and has prevented me from switching from HDFC sec. Even scared that a brokerage firm like Zerodha could just get caught giving too much leverage and cause clients to lose money. Hence I am still with HDFC sec.
However. I do think Zerodha’s platform is substantially better.
All OTM options settle at 0, its implied.
1) We have a IDFC 3 in 1 account. Check this – https://support.zerodha.com/category/account-opening/idfc-3in1
2) Its not true
3) Leverages across all brokerage firms are the same after peak margins have been introduced, check this – https://zerodha.com/z-connect/zerodha/bulletin-latest-at-zerodha/peak-margin-intraday-leverages-2nd-order-effects-dec-1st-2020
Good luck and take your time to decide, Adam.
How many days does it take for a Futures of any stock to be delivered to my demat. Eg: 24th I had 1 lot of RIL and I dint sell that position, so I believe it will be delivered? When will the delivery happen?
T+2 Manan.
Hello Sir,
Vix is currently pretty low rn, and most stocks volatility is low.
So are we better of avoiding writing options and index options as the premium is very low?
Yes, if you think volatility is low, then you should look at opportunities to buy options.
Due to the new regulations enforced by Sebi, is there any impact on option buyer?
Meaning, can I buy stock option today and sell it the very next trading day?
Are there any new rules for this?
The question above may sound stupid but i needed to ask. Thanks.
No major changes as such, Ajay. Check this – https://zerodha.com/z-connect/zerodha/bulletin-latest-at-zerodha/peak-margin-intraday-leverages-2nd-order-effects-dec-1st-2020
if I long futures and prices fall, will I be obliged to buy at oower price or at price I bought shares
Your obligation will be at the settlement price on expiry.
Hi…so continuing with same example, if I have SBI stock, would that be automatically delivered or do I have indicate any flag while selling option
It will be automatically delivered to your demat account.
Question is , For Eg If the sold a Iron Fly on monday and market remain on the same range on the expiry day My hedge position (Buy) went to zero and my sold position are approx to zero so is it mandatory to close all my positions or should i leave it (to save my brokerage charge).
You can leave it and let it expire worthless, Vinay.
Hello Sir,
I hope you are doing well.
Currently, I have read that we are not allowed to buy naked OTM options for Nifty and bank Nifty on zerodha.
How OTM is this considered??
Secondly, If I were to implement any spread position, how do I implement it If I am not able to buy a long OTM contract?
On the order window, you can see the range, Tarun. You try placing the sell first and then the buy leg.
Hello Sir,
If I were to sell an option then buy the option, wouldn’t that require me to have a very large capital even though I don’t require it?
You’d need it only to initiate, once you initiate both legs, margins are freed up.
Namaste Sir,
For stock options, If I have sold far OTM options would I be subjected to the margin increase or is it only for ITM options, in the last week of expiry?
Kalyan, it increases for far OTM also. 40% of the contract value.
What would far OTM options be classified as? How far away from the strike price.
Despite having the exact same amount in my portfolio, I should not have an increase in margin requirements correct?
I am trying to implement a covered call strategy.
I would like the option to expire worthlessly, instead of squaring it off before the last week.
Could you suggest how I should implement this?
Any strike which is at least 10-15% away from the current price can be considered far OTM. MArgins are based on F&O portfolio, it does not consider the EQ segment holdings.
Hi bro tatachem was trading 760
For example I sold 740 Ce and 790 pe for this month July expiry as I see there is not more buyer in 790 PE volume is 4K only lot size 1000
If I hold both options until expiry 740 can easily exit coz got buyers volume 48k
I am thinking what will happen to 790 pe if there is no buyer ON THE EXPIRY DAY
Is that only in the money options only get physical settlement.
Or otm options also get physical settlement
Only option which is ITM is physically settled.
सर मैं option में New हूँ ।
मैंने SBI July का 440 का call option लिया है । expiry Date आज दिनांक 29 जुलाई 2021 पर अब मेरे अकाउन्ट पर 16 लाख माइनस में दिखा रहे है | इतना पैसा मेरे पास नहीं है। मुझे अब क्या करना चहिए
Suppose I buy PVR 1200 Stoke price call option ( premium : 190/-) . At the end of contract share price is at 1500 . And I am ready to take physical delivery , what is the amount I have to keep in my account. Is it ( 1200* lot size )o or ( CMP*lot size)
Please tell us .
It is 100% of contract size.
Sir, suppose i have 3200 ITC shares and i pledge it for covered call. And call sell becomes ITM. How the position will be settled? Am i suppose to unpledge or zerodha will take care of it?
Please reply
Yes, you are supposed to unpledge the shares yourself.
Hello Sir,
Is fully automated algo trading legal in india?
I have seen so many people talk about this? Even Nikhil Kamath also.
Its not illegal, but you need to take the exchange approval for this. By the way, full automation is not permitted for retail.
Hello Sir,
How does streak then do it? How does one trade via streak?
These are not fully automated right?
Hi
I had forgotten to square off the July Futures of ITC on the day of expiry . I ensured fund is available for settlement . By when will the stocks get credited in the account and i can sell off?
Rgds
Expiry + 2 days.
Sir,
What is the charges for physical settlement.
I sell tata motors 285 ce July 21 Expairy. I forgot to close the trade. Now it is went physical settlement. What is the charges and Etc. Pls
A brokerage of 0.25% of the physically settled value will be charged. For all netted-off positions(spread contracts, iron condor, etc), the brokerage will be charged at 0.1% of the physically settled value.
More here – https://support.zerodha.com/category/trading-and-markets/margin-leverage-and-product-and-order-types/articles/policy-on-physical-settlement
In the same question, what if I have one lot of share in DEMAT and ready to give delivery then what about ITM call premium. Please reply
Then the shares will be debited from the account to fulfil the physical settlement.
How about indices futures and options? are they cash-settled? How can be physical delivery of indices possible?
Thats right, indices are cash settled.
Sir,
Truely speaking I am new In options trading. I Have sold one lot of Drreddys lab strike prise 5600. @ Rs10 premium.By expiry Dr Reddy’s spot prise is 4880 if I don’t close the position & .05 is the premium then what will happen?
Swati, It depends on which option you’ve sold – CE or PE. If the option is OTM then it will expiry worthlessly and you get to keep the entire premium. If its ITM, then the stock will get physically settled.
The margin requirements for settlement of itm call option whilst client holding a lot of shares in dmat account for physical settlement is not justified
RIshi, it is 40% of the contract value.
Hi,
I own 600 shares of tech mahindra. On 4th August I decided to write 1380 CE which was the last available option contract.
Tech Mahindra has shot up to 1380.
This caused my OTM to become ITM. Now I See contracts till 1520 CE available? I would have liked to written 1500 CE and instead of 1380 CE.
How is this possible that they just add new contracts in the middle of the month. Isn’t the process 30 : 1 : 30??
Contracts are added dynamically, as and when the price moves, new contracts get added.
Hello Karthik.
Technically I got stuck as I would have liked to have written a 1500 CE but instead I had to settle with 1380 CE while 1500 CE was not available.
So is there a way around this?
The introduction of new strikes is very dynamic, but unless the stock moves by a lot of % points, new strikes don’t get added.
Sir, If i have lot of Heromotoco share in my demat account at price of Rs.2900/- per share & spot is price is Rs.2770/-
If i sell 1 lot of ITM Heromotoco PE of August strike price 2900 & sell 1 lot of August Future of Heromotoco at current spot price.
In situation
(1) If price of Heromotoco close at Rs.2900/-
(2)If price of Heromotoco close in between Rs.2770 to Rs.2900/-
(3)If price of Heromotoco close below Rs. 2770/-
Should if i have take delivery or give delivery in above condition & at what i have to bear loss.
1) Option is worthless, futures will be settled physically
2) Sell PUT will be off set with short futures
3) Same as above
Sir, in answer no.2 of above my query no.2, you have said that Sell PUT will be off set with short futures, in it I have loss or I can retain full premium I have received by selling Put, please sir
Offset means only the physical delivery obligation will be offset. If you have losses, it will obviously be settled accordingly.
1. I want to know about indices how it can be settled on expiry date? Because shares will be delivered to us but i want to know how the indices will be treated?
2. In case of buying an options the premium paid is the ultimate risk only. Suppose i bought Nifty 17000ce & on expiry it’s 16900 so I’m not eligible to exercise my rights hence the premium paid is my loss only right?
3. Suppose i bought SBI 400pe & on expiry it’s 410 so I’m not eligible to exercise my rights hence the premium paid is my loss only right?
Hence no need to take physical delivery of shares right?
& If goes 390 it’s my profit what if I don’t want to take physical delivery of shares?
1) Indices are cash-settled
2) Yes, that’s correct
3) Yes, that’s correct
If it goes to 390, then 400 PE is ITM, hence there will be physical delivery. In this case you will have to take delivery of stock.
Hello Sir,
I hope you are well.
You have mentioned multiple times that you prefer to sell monthly options than weekly.
Do you usually sell near month or far month?
Second using the volatility and standard deviation method how far do you write an option if you are writing monthly options?
Current month, Suresh.
Hello Sir,
For writing Far month options, what kind of SD do you use?
2-3 SD away?
Thats right, closer to 3 SD.
Hey
I wanted to buy JUBLFOOD 4000CE AT 40RS ON 18/08/21 and thankfully it went 200 but when when I see selling needs margin 4lkh and buying need 400% margin all for 1 lot.
So when i sell this option what if I don’t have any margin amount then how do I square off.
2.This JUBLFOOD ce option margin required increased 20/08/21 whereas it should be 24 or Monday of the last week. Why so?
3.I don’t want to pay any short delivery penalty or paying any kind of margin extra so how to pay safe to avoid such scenario.
Thanks
1) Margin is required for fresh short positions, not for square off (but depends on your other positions as well)
2) Margin is a function of volatility. Please check the order form for the latest values
3) YOu just have to ensure there is sufficient margins, Saurabh.
1.Assuming I don’t have any other position just one buy position at 40rs and now when I want to sell do i need margin during square off.
2.Isn’t margin required only for physical settlement during last week only for buy position.
3.i don’t have mahin except the premium i paid for buying that position then what’s the safest way to sell to avoid such margin situation
1) No, not needed
2) No, its required for a sell position as well. But additionally, you need to ensure stocks are available for delivery
3) Its best if you exit the position before expiry to avoid physical delivery.
So this is what I understood
If I have already position its better to exit before the last week of expiry for stress free, margin free trade, am i right?
Thats right 🙂
if at expiry i have a itm put option, how will that be settled? does that mean that when i buy the long itm put options i will be provided with shares and have to sell them at expiry? If so then at what prices would the shares be provided and have to be sold?
ALSO, if i buy long call in the week of expiry and settle before expiry, will i be required to still have the margin??
If you have a long ITM PUT, then you are required to give delivery of shares.
If you have a short ITM PUT, then you are required to take delivery of shares.
Shares will be transacted at the strike price.
Yes, margins will be required.
Hello Sir,
If I am writing monthly contracts 2-3 SD away, If I keep a tight spread I would max net 100-200 for 5 lots.
Do I need to keep a larger spread for such a case?
Yes, you can. But the potential reward goes a tad bit lower.
to give the delivery of shares in case of long itm put, i will have to buy the shares myself or will the broker take care of it? Also if i buy the shares myself when should i buy them(at what price, and what date, ie, time before expiry)? while giving the delivery of the shares, will they automatically be sold at strike price?
The broker will do this as long as you have shares in your demat.
This won’t do anything to option intraday trader right , they don’t need to worry about settlement
As they are buying and selling at same day ..?
That’s right, matters only if you hold to expiry.
Hello Sir,
I hope you are well.
I am still confused about a few things.
1) When writing monthly option contracts 2-3 SD, do you keep tight spreads or large spreads?? Tight spreads do not have much actual gain and there are no chance of adjusting the position if anything ever goes wrong. Larger spreads require a larger amount of margin and have a theoretical larger loss.
2) Writing monthly contracts are positional plays correct? Time decay is very less, so the only gain one would get is if the market moves in direction of your contract?
3) Assuming Nifty is 16000 currently, I have written 15000 CE and 14500 CE for protection monthly contracts at the start of the month. My max profit is maybe 6-7 thousand and currently I am getting 4 thousand with roughly 15 days till expiry. Should one exit the position? Then how should I make a new position, in the same monthly contract with slightly higher up contracts like 15200 CE/14700CE or just the next month contract?
1) Depends on when you do this. Early in the series, you can expand the spread for a larger payoff. But yes, margins may increase a bit
2) Yes, but time decay accelerates towards expiry
3) YOu exit and take 4K if you see other attractive opportunities in the market. BAsically, this is dependent on your overall portfolio position.
I am holding a Iron condor for stock option contract.
On expiry, if underlying stays between 2 legs of put contacts, how is the settlement procedure.
long put becomes OTM, so it expires worthless.
What happens to ITM short put contract. How is it settled. Do I have to give delivery mandatory ? or does exchange
try to map to any other person’s ITM long put option in same series ?
hi Karthik,
Thanks for explanation, in the case I have sold a call option for stock and I dont have stocks to settle in my demat account and in this case how does settlement happen? Can you please explain
Then it will be treated as short delivery and a short delivery auction happens.
I have a long future of an equity and a otm long put of same equity with same expiries and same lots. I was unable to exit at expiry. Is physical settlement necessary in this scenario?
Futures will be physically settled, but since the option is OTM, there is no physical settlement for it.
Hi Team,
Due to network issues, I am unable to exit from put option yesterday for IDFCFIRSTB. Could you please help in exiting (squaring off) from this F&O stock as there is no sufficient margin in my account.
Thanks
Siva
YOu will have to call the support desk for this, Siva.
Hello Sir,
As mentioned I have written 1-2 SD away nifty options. I have written 16000 PE and bought 15500 PE. I have written 4 lots for a max profit of 2 thousand for September 9th expiry.
My issue is that isn’t it risky to write 4 lots? or even 1 Lot? 1 lot has a contract value of roughly 50*16000= Rs. 8,00,000 so I have written essentially 24,00,000 worth value.
Am I over leveraging or how do I assess this?
Well, the risk is an inherent part of the markets, there are no two ways to do this. But the risk you take should be proportional to the amount of capital that you have. Have discussed it here – https://zerodha.com/varsity/module/risk-management/
I did not settle my short futures on the day of expiry and now I need to physically deliver the shares to settle. How to physically deliver the shares? Does it mean I have to buy the shares and then sell? Or I have to buy the shares and keep in demat account and automatically will be settled by zerodha?
The broker will execute this for you automatically, as long as there are shares in your account.
Hello Sir,
Assume I have a portfolio of 1 Cr.
I have pledged all my stocks to gain margin leverage on them.
If I choose to write hedged nifty options like 1 -2 SD away. What quantity of my margin should I use and how many lots should I approximately go for?
If were writing weekly or biweekly nifty options. Due to the new margin rule, hedged options require a less amount of margin.
Sunil, as far as the margins are concerned, you can use up to 50% from the pledged shares. For example, suppose you pledge 1L, and get 50K margin. And then take a position of 1L, then you can use 50K from the collateral margin and another 50% should come from cash. The number of lots should be calculated based on the actual cash available and your risk tolerance.
Hello Sir,
I am confused.
Do i need cash on hand for holding hedged option positions??
I have pledged shares, and I have created positions using the margin available. I am using HDFC sec right now.
They have not blocked cash from my account.
I am not sure? Have they blocked and I am not aware of it?
Sunil, if both sides are ITM, we charge 40% of the contract value each. But it’s realised on expiry, the positions are netted off.
How to calculate profit in Netted off positions. For Example I have a position in HDFCAMC which details are following
Short 2750CE for 205 premium
Long 2900Ce with premium of 95 Rs
On expiry HDFCAMC close at 2980.
My both positions are ITM and hence i will not be liable for physical settlement.
But i want to know how much i will lose or earn in this position
Yes, since both are ITM, the positions will be net off. The difference is cash settled.
I bought nifty50 call option today and sold it within 5 mins for some profit. When will this profit show up in my account? I am new to stock market, i was curios how option trading works.
Profits are credited on T+1, so please check the trading account today, it should reflect today.
Does physical delivery happens for USDINR ITM options (sold or bought)?
I have sold ITC SEP 230 CE for 0.7 premium. If I hold my position till expiry and say at expiry ITC spot value is 212, do I need to have margin of 7,36,000 (230*3200) at the time of expiry to square off?
40% of the contract value. Since its OTM, margin will be released on the expiry day.
Thank you so much sir. I read through all the chapters of Option trade via Varsity and now I am getting the glimpses of actual trade. Just curious to know if there is any virtual trading site/app which doesn’t require real money to practice option trading?
Not sure Anil. There were few sites but none of them actually worked well.
Sir if buy pe at 80 and hedge with sell pe 210 if freak trade happen in sell 210 pe and prize goes to 1000 for a less than a second what will happen,
You will have a loss. You can always place a limit price to avoid the same.
Dear Karthik,
Excellent compilation and Gratitude to you.
Regarding OI on stock options, how do we quantify OI as sufficient enough to trade.
Stock options like Shriram Transport finance have OI in thousands. Call OI: 4721 and Put OI: 1585
This is too low volume to trade on option contract.
Can you throw some light on what OI can be considered good enough from liquidity perspective
and buy sell spread does not pinch for traders.
Generally speaking, the higher the OI, the better is the liquidity, which means its easier to buy and sell the option. To get a perspective of whats a good OI, I’d suggest you look at the OI of a highly traded stock, say TCS or Infy and make an assessment of the option you wish to trade.
If i have shares of one lot (1800) of say BPCL in demat and sell BPCL SEP 460 CE. If BPCL crosses say 480, & I didnot square off position as I want to give deliveryof the shares I have in Demat now
1. What will happen to the premium collected by me for sold call.?
2. Whether I need to maintain margin and extra margins in the last week? if so why?
3. Why should I keep magin and extra margins? when already I have shares to hedge?
1) The premium is with you, so your sell price is spot minus the premium
2) Yes, due to the delivery margins
3) Like I mentioned, that’s to ensure delivery margins are in place
Hello Sir,
I created a bull put spread in Canara Bank on Monday 13th September.
On Tuesday or Wednesday I believe Canara Bank MWPL crossed over 95% and it went into the derivative ban period.
When I wanted to exit my positions on the 17th I was not able to.
Is there a way to check the MWPL of the company so I can know whether i should enter the company or not? NSE releases data of a company in the ban period most market hours. So how should I know whether I should make a position in this company or not?
You can exit the position, not sure why you were unable to exit a position. I’d suggest you check the margin calculator here – https://zerodha.com/margin-calculator/SPAN/ securities which are under ban is highlighted in red text.
Hello Sir,
I wanted to adjust my position and then get out of it but since it became banned I was not able to.
The margin calculator only shows securities that have become banned. Does it show X security that’s MWPL has crossed over 95% and will become banned the next day or a security that has a high MWPL that will mostly get banned in the coming days?
Ah ok. No new positions are allowed. Also the OI info is not available. I’d suggest you stick to the largest contracts where its unlikely to have such a problem.
Sir, if I write an option, I will be required to deposit a certain margin amount like futures. But if after adjusting for MTM, my position falls short of the margin, then to carry forward position to the next day, would I be required to bring an additional margin? Also, how the margin requirements have changed after 1/9/21?
There is no M2M in options, Karik.
if I
SELL – STAR SEP 600PE
BUY – STAR SEP FUT (@601)
SELL – STAR SEP 700CE
Then if the Scrip closing price is 599 on Monthly Expiry, how many LOTS of STAR should I have to take delivery.
I think two lots , first lot because the “SEP 600PE” goes ITM and second lot because of the “STAR SEP FUT”.
Please correct me if I’m wrong. And also please suggest what to do if someone trapped in this type of condition.
PE will get offset with Fut. CE is worthless anyway. So no obligation here.
Hi,
Say I have 1500 SBI and I have used the same as Margin for covered call on SBI. On expiry the covered call in ITM and I am ready to settle the same with my 1500 shares… But Now as I have used the shares for Margin , do I need to keep extra full Margin also untill settlement happens so that the stock get’s released from margin and goes for settlement… How do settlement happen when the same shares are used for Margin and I don’t have extra Margin… ? Pls any one guide me…
You cant use SBI’s position in the spot as margin for cover call. So you will have to have the margins for CE sell before you initiate the position.
Dear Sir,
The best thing about a Teacher is that they explain the most complicated things in the most simple way which is what done here by Karthik Sir!! No other comments can explain my gratefulness.
Simply a BIG THANK YOU😊
Thanks so much for the kind words, Amit 🙂
I’m glad you liked the content and I hope you continue to enjoy reading on Varsity!
Hi, I have been doing option trading in index and understand the process as it is simple since it is cash settled. I want to start in stock options
My questions are .
Reliance is spot price 2350. I have a capital of 5-6 lacs in delay account. I would like to sell CE of say 2470, and get the premium.
Q1. Now if it goes above 2470, say 2473 then it gets in ITM ? Is that it gets mandatory in ITM , I read the concept of CTM but not able to relate fully here.
Q2. Assume it is in ITM and I need to give delivery, what is ideal strategy for stock holding ? Should we keep this stock in holding before hand before selling call to be safe or should be accumulate only when we see that stock could end up in ITM? The reason for asking is because if we buy before hand then capital is already invested whereas in second one , the capital is invested when only the situation demands. Just wondering what is a better way.
Q3. Assume we buy stock first and keep 250 share for safe side, so we used 5.8 L. Now when we sell CE then also margin will be required which is like 1.7 L range?
Appreciate your response..
1) CTM is close to the money, so options which are ITM but not really deep ITM are all CTM and there is an option to not exercise these options. Hence you can avoid physical delivery
2) Yes, it is best if you can keep the stock in holding to avoid all sorts of hassles
3) That’s right. You will have to have enough margins to sell the option
Good luck, Minakshi.
Thank you Karthik. Can you send me the details as how can I avoid delivery in case when it is CTM. I am assuming it will only decided on settlement day if it is CTM or deep ITM.
Thats right. Btw, if the option is CTM, then you need not worry about it.
Hello Karthik Sir,
Few additional chapters have been added in every module like interesting features on trading view, the central pivot range in technical analysis, quick note on physical settlement in option theory and iron condor in option strategies. Unfortunately they are not available in pdf form. Can you please update those in PDF and make available updated PDF so that we can take a print out of it for further studies. It will be a great help. Thanks in anticipation.
Yeah, that has been pending for a while. Will try and do that soon.
Hello Karthik sir,
I buy INDUSINDBK SEP 1160CE of 900Qty but on Friday Physical delivery margins are blocked and my available margin is in negative, today I close this trade in postive so how much amount I need to pay.
If you have closed the position then the margins will be released. There is no need to pay anything.
If I sell stock options and they are OTM at expiry do I need to give physical delivery.
Nope, because the option is worthless.
Hi Karthik,
Say I have one lot of Reliance (250 shares) in holding and I purchased at 2200.
Now I sold call of OCT 2600 CE at premium of 62. This means I got premium of 15500 (62*250). Now during expiry it closes at 2650 which means it is ITM, which means I need to give delivery.
But how does PnL calculation works in this case?
I mean if I had sold the holding stock in market then I would have got 2650-2200 * 250 which is 112500, but in this case of option settlement since i need to give delivery of stock, it gets deducted from account, which means essentially I am making no much profit except the premium of 15500. Am I getting any benefit of stock price high other than premium?
Here you are giving the stock at 2600 which the same is trading at 2650, which means you have a loss of 50, but since you’ve received a premium of 62, you are kind of covered here. In fact, on paper you make 12. Stike + premium.
I have sold RBL PUT 200 SEPTEMBER 2021 and not square off on today expiry date. I have enough money to take delivery in trading account of all 2900 share @200 rs.then what to do on my behalf
Nothing really, Chetan. As long as you have the funds, it is fine.
Namaste Sirji,
Can you explain CTM options and how do I know if my position will get exercised or not?
If I have created a hedged position in a stock, does zerodha ask me for more margin in the last week?
a)If both my strikes are ITM?
b) If both my strikes are OTM?
3 strikes below the settlement price for CE and above the settlement price for PE are considered CTM. So for example a stock settles at 500, then 470, 480, 490 CE are considered CTM. 510, 520, and 530 PE are considered CTM. For traders who are long on these options, exchange gives the broker an option to not exercise these strikes. For short-sellers, a random assignment happens and such assignments are cash-settled.
Dear Sir,
If I am Long PE or long CE and my option expires CTM, why does my broker get to choose if I need to take delivery?? Am I not allowed to choose??
Exchange gives that flexibility to the broker. CTM options do not make any sense exercise as you will end up losing money after factoring in all charges.
Now in same example, If I have bought CE and haven’t squared it off till expiry, so the physical delivery which I will get in the form of equity, can I sell those stocks later as a normal trade ?
Yes, so the expiry happens on Thursday, you will get the stocks on Tuesday (T+2), and you can sell the same on Wednesday.
For netted off position why high brokerage of tune of 10000 or so I charged.
Can you explain how is that charged.For other broker there is no such charges for netted off position.
Many a times due to illiquidity in the stock options like to buy ITM put option to square off we create short in future as an example to net off.but then if we end paying such high brokerage it would be better to square off instead of netting off.
Pls throw some light or explain if some point we missing in understanding.
Viral, I’d suggest you reach out to the support desk for this or create a ticket on this.
Hi Sir,
If I already have less than 1 lot of SBI shares at ₹200 and by the time my “Short 260 CE expire ITM”, I further added some shares to make it a total of 1 lot (avg price ₹240).
1. Will that be enough to give delivery after expiry day?
2. Should I assume Profit = (260-240)*(Lot size)?
3. Will there be any penalty/extra charges If I keep the position as-is and want exchange to physically settle the position?
1) Yes, the idea is if your short CE is ITM, then you need to have enough shares in your DP to give delivery.
2) You will be in profit when the option expires worthless, which means OTM.
3) No, but delivery brokerage is applicable.
Dear Sir,
Suppose I have long ITM call from start of month till expiry. If stock have risen much and If I don’t find any buyer for that call option. So call option will get exersised, but I don’t have margin available. In that case, If I buy long ITM put one or two day before expiry or on the day of expiry, will it work??
Yes, long ITM CE and long ITM PE will get offset and no physical delivery of options.
Hi Karthik Sir ,
I have one regarding open interest as we know where there is call unwinding it means call writers are squaring off the position which leads to decrease in OI and rise in price and it’s also assumption that rise in price is temporary. On the other hand OI put in increasing with rise in price that means price is stable but I don’t understand one thing .
Suppose Call OI ⬇️ price ⬆️ Put OI ⬆️
so, we can interpret that rise in price is temporary or not , as Call OI is decreasing or Put OI in increasing with respect to price
Call unwinding means writers are buying, and traders who are long are selling off. But yes, in general, what you’ve stated is what is practised.
In above question, how we can predict it is genuine rise in price or it is rise by short covering .
YOu can look at OI information to get a sense of this.
Hi Karthik,
I am new to options. I have read your insightful articles ,however I have a very basic query
If I buy a nifty call option (ATM)for say 29th October expiry on 1st October.
On 10thOctober it has become a deep ITM option and I wish to book profit by squaring off.
Now considering these are European call options can I square off before expiry.If yes how does this happen. Do we just chose square off option like share trading?
In this case I will have to sell the option right.?Does it mean I am a seller of options in the sense explained earlier and what are the risks of such transaction.
Thanks in advance
Rajesh, yes, you can square off anytime you wish, and it is not necessary that you have to hold your option to expiry.
On the expiry day if I have sold both call and put options of the stock of same quantity, Do I have any obligation to take/give delivery?
In short what are the hedge options for sold call option on expiry day?
If both the stock options are ITM, then yes, the positions will get net off. But if one is ITM and the other is OTM, then no physical delivery for OTM. If both are OTM, nothing to worry about.
How Nifty PUT sold are physically settled with niftybees? Suppose I want to buy niftybees lot at lower price, so I sold nifty OTM PE which expires ITM.
If I leave it to expiry how will I get niftybees? Nowhere I relate niftybees for this transaction.
Thanks
Index options are cash-settled, but stock options are physically settled.
Hi ,
Could you tell me , where can I get PCR and OI chart of current day , like I want data in a chart form and on NSE website option chain data has given in numbers . Is there any free website where we can find OI and PCR in chart form of current day and it chart will update in every 5 mins automatically as option chain data update on every 5 minutes..
Hmm, I’m not sure, but I think Sensibull provides you with this data. Please do check with them once.
Hello Sir
On 21 OCT 2021.
Nifty closed at 18219. However it settled at 18178.
Now if someone had bought 18200 CE he should have had gotten Rs. 19 however he ends up losing his money. While someone who had written 18200 PE would lose money correct?
Is there any way around this? Or something one could do to avoid this?
The closing price is irrelevant here, what matters is the settlement price. So there is no question of losing money based on the closing price.
Say I have short put of SBI and it has expired on Thursday, so the question is when do I need receive the delivery, Thursday, or by Friday?
On Monday, settlement is on T+2 basis.
hello sir, if i had bought 240 call option for itc and the stock closed at 235 for the expiry should i take delivery at 240 per share…similarly if i had bought 3900 put for jublilant foodworks and the stocks closes for the expiry at 4000 should i deliver the shares at 3900 a piece..
The 240 Call option will expire worthless if the spot closes at 235. Same with the Jubilant example.
Hi,
I bought 1 lot of SBIN OCT 500 CE at Rs 12.50 premium on 21st Oct.
Here 1 lot of SBI is 1500.
And if somehow I’m not able to square off my position till expiry and I have take compulsory physical delivery, then I need to have 1500*(500 + 12.50) = Rs 768,750? Here my understanding is correct?
Thank You
You need to have enough for lot size * strike price.
Hi sir…Assuming I buy one itm call and sell one otm call if on expiry how its settled in following scenario.
1. itm call which was bough became illiquid till expiry and sold otm call is still otm
2. Both bought and sold calls are itm and could not close it because of illuiqid long call
1) Liquidity does not matter, as the exchange will ensure your ITM option is settled. OTM is anyway worthless, so it is ok.
2) They net off each other, whatever difference is cash-settled for you.
Sir,
What happens if I do not have money to buy those shares? Is there any penalty?
Depends on the exact position.
Hi Sir,
I have a question on settlement. Say I have sold Reliance 2560 PE Oct at Rs 20 and I get the premium with me. Now on the expiry day at around 3 PM it is trading at 2500 and let’s say premium has increased to 60.
1. If I square of at 3 PM, then whatever loss will be there, it will be cash settled? So I am the loss will be something (60-20)*250. Is this right understanding?
2. Say I am not squaring off, and want to exercise the option. So in this case what shall I need to do? I guess that I just keep 2560*250 as amount and that should be ok? But as the stock is trading at 2500, so do I also need to account for 60*250 additional amount to pay for option premium cost difference?
1) Yes, anytime before expiry you square off, the option will be cash-settled.
2) Strike * lot size = amount required. This should suffice.
Please do check this once – https://support.zerodha.com/category/trading-and-markets/margin-leverage-and-product-and-order-types/articles/policy-on-physical-settlement
hi kartik,
i am new to options. i have query about expiry or settlement.
1. suppose i bought nifty 18100CE and sold 18300CE how they will get settled on expiry, will they get settled against each other or something else will happen ?
2.suppose i bought lupin 900PE and sold 870PE how they will get settled on expiry, will they get settled against each other or something else will happen ?
Note: both with same quantity/lot.
1) Index options are cash-settled. You will get the net settlement amount based on the moneyness of the option
2) Stock options are physically settled. If both the PE options are ITM i.e. spot price is lower than 870, then both the options will be set off against each other. Otherwise, if both are OTM, then there is no physical settlement. If only 1 option is ITM, then only that option will be physically settled.
Bought hindalco 500ce oct 28
Newbie here. How should I go about it?
The call option will be profitable only Hindalco closes above 500, else the option will expire worthlessly.
Hi Karthik, firstly thanks for answering all our queries.
I have a simple question.
To not to become liable for physical delivery. When should I exit from my position? If 28-oct-2021 (thursday) is the expiry of my stock position, on what date should I exit to not to get into physical delivery trouble! Please let me know.
Anytime before the expiry. It could even be as late as 3:25 PM on the expiry day.
Hello Sir,
I hope you are well.
I had a question earlier,
Assuming I had sold nifty 18200 puts last Thursday for 21/10/21 expiry. On 21/10/21 Nifty closed at 18219 while it settled at 18178.
Assuming I had held on to my puts thinking they would expire worthless at above 18200 I would end up losing 22 points as it settled at 18178.
This is very confusing and how should one go about this? How do I know what the settlement price would be and that there would be such a large difference between the closing expiry price and final settlement price?
Hence the need to continuously monitor the last 30 mins price and volume. If you see high volume trades at a lower price, then it’s a clear indication that the market will settle lower because of the last 30 min average consideration for close.
I want to know how the profit and loss generate if I settled buy option contract in cash.
1.Derivative PNL effect
2.Cash PNL effect
The difference between the buy price and sell price of premium multiplied by the lot size if your P&L.
How OTM sold call option is settled at expiry if it is not bought back.
Since it’s worthless, it gets extinguished.
My physical contract was cancelled.
Can I settle my current month ITM PE trade with buying next month future on expiry date instead of taking delivery?
No, it has to be the same month expiry.
I sold 1 lot of 140 Pe option of x shares now it closed at 135. I couldn’t close position then what will happened in this case ?
Y’day was expiry, right? So it will be settled based on the settlement price (not the closing price).
Hello I want to know if I sell covered call then I need any margin or not
Yes, you’d need margins for selling options.
Suppose, SBIN Futures trading @ 500.
And, if I buy 1 lot of SBIN Fut @ 500.
At same time, I sold SBIN 500 CE @ 30 PREMIUM VALUE.
On expiry day, SBI fut @ 495. And 500 CE expires worthless. And, I didn’t closed my position…what will happen?
1) Will I eligible to take physical delivery or what ?
2) Profit/loss settlement timings required for that settlement?
The option position expires worthless, so no obligation there. Futures position will result in physical delivery. If the option was ITM, then both the positions would be net off.
How many days required to credit physical settlement share after expiry days in long future stocks ?
T+2. So expiry happens on Thursday, the settlement happens on Monday.
My oct2021 lupin put sell option in the money so if I have available cash more then lot size so I will get share automatically or I need to do something for get share
Yes, the shares will be settled automatically.
Hello Sir,
If I have sold Biocon 330 PE for Nov @10.50 and I see the LTP is reduced to 3.95. Can i exit the trade before expiry and take home the premium or would I have to wait until expiry to square it off
Yes, you can exit the trade whenever you want, no need to wait to expiry.
सर, स्टॉक कॉल सेलर को भी एक्सपायरी डेट पर स्क्वेयर ऑफ करना पड़ता है क्या OTM होने पर भी या फिर अपने आप सेटल हो जाता है?
If I buy future of SBI @440 and sell option at strike price 450 and on expiry got ITM. Then will it be netted offf
Yes, as long as the option is ITM.
Suppose I buy future of SBI @440 and short call option of SBI at strike price 450 and on expiry it got ITM, will it be netted off
Like I mentioned, as long as the option is ITM, it will be netted off.
sir
i bought banknifty CE on tuesday and unfortunately didn’t exit position on the day of expiry,so my question is that what will happen if i didnt squre off the position on the expiry date?
regards
The contract will be settled based on the moneyness of the option.
What happens if I buy Long Straddle (buy both atm call & put options)? Does it have any delivery obligation?
If both the options expire ITM, then they will get net off against each other and hence no physical delivery.
Greeting for Day Karthik Sir,
I have doubt abt Short CE of Stock ,
If I have no shares in my demat equal to lot size of stock and I short the OTM CE for same stock at start of month. and In expiry if that short CE comes in ITM then how much margin i need maintain.
Ex if I have 125 nos of lalpathlab (lot size 125) share in my demat and I having short CE ITM position at time expiry how much margin i need to maintain.
Sagar, you will need to ensure you have the shares in your DEMAT (to the expect of lot size * number of lots you have traded) to avoid any physical deliver issues.
what if I sold a straddle on SBI and failed to square off, will it be netted off or should i need to take deliveries?.
If both the options are ITM, they get netted off. Else only the stock which is ITM will be physically settled.
If I short Itc otm for eg. It’s 240 now and I sell a call option of 250 strike price on Monday and expiry is on Thursday what will happen
Hi Karthik,
Its been great learning from Varsity, the content you have put up deserves a lot of credit
I have a doubt in the physical settlement, If I have a capital of 50,000 and start with option trading does it make sense, my goal is to intially trade Nifty and Bank Nifty, so my question is:
1) We don’t need lakhs of rupees to be in the demat if we are sticking to index, Right? On the day of expiry only the high margin will be required to trade intraday on it as at the end of the day it will be auto squared off if not done ( I am just talking about Nifty and Bank Nifty here)
(Please correct me if I m wrong)
2) If we sell stock options and index options before the expiry we r just basically trading the premiums that is it? We dont have to have the full exposure to take the profit?
I am also looking forward to change my demat account to Zerodha (Really inspired from Varisty)
1) Yes, but do make sure you check the margins required before you place the trade
2) Yes, that’s correct
I’m glad, thanks for considering us 🙂
How to check future expire date.??
The month is mentioned in the contract itself. The date is always fixed to last Thursday of the month. For example, Dec 2021 contract expires on 30th Dec.
Hi
1.Can I pledge other shares for maintains the Margin to take the delivery of share by selling the PE PUT OPTION.
2. What is the best way to park the idleMoney –
a) Liquid funds. Or
b) NIFTY BEES OR GOLD BEES
3. How we can beat the inflation and avoid our money depreciation.
a). Investing in govt bonds – risk free or
b). SIP in mutual funds with little risk
1) No, to buy shares you need full money
2) I’d suggest Liquid funds because the risk to capital is lower
3) SIP is good, but you need to prepare yourself for a long haul tenure. Don’t do SIPS, if you have less than 5-8 years investment horizon.
I sold ICICIBANK 900 CE.
Spot Price is around 700.
Expiry is in 5 days and I am in a profit of around 8000.
Can I hold this till expiry? Will it automatically squared off by broker?
I am unable to sell this at this point as the price of the 900 CE is 0.20.
Will there be any problem if I hold it till expiry ?
If you hold to expiry, then it will be physically settled by the broker. But if you square off before expiry, then there your P&l is difference between buy and sell premium.
Hi Kartik ,
Thanks for your valuable post.
As a retailer trader ,I don’t have enough capital for taking a physical settlement in a huge Lot of stock .
But my gut feeling says I can play stock option by only buying to make some.
* Should I play option or not ?
* if yes , then how to avoid physical settlement .
*if no , then your view much-needed.
Thank you and all your zerodha members for posting such valuable information about investing and trading.
By play, I mean you are devising a proper trading strategy 🙂
You can easily avoid physical settlement by squaring off the trade before expiry. There is no issue with that.
What will be penalty charges.. if i don’t physically won’t be able to buy which I didn’t square off in itm..
Depends on the position. If you are short Futures and don’t have shares, auction penalty will be applicable.
I have equity call option ITM till expires. Now 8 lakhs demand for physical settlement. But I have no in hand liquidity of 8 lakhs. What can I do now?
You can square off the position, Mohit. There is no need to opt for a physical settlement.
Will my share be debited automatically without t pin in case of short ITM future or short ITM call option if not then what is the process
Hi Kartik, Pl clear a doubt of a novice.
I have read everywhere that buying a call/put gives the buyer the right to buy/sell but no obligation to buy/sell. A call/put buyer is supposed to be concerned with the premium amount only.
But your comments above seems to suggest that in case of stock call/put buy positions at the expiry, One have to TAKE DELIVERY/GIVE DELIVERY in case of ITM call/put. So how come?
That’s right, Chandar. Delivery of stocks or giving delivery of stocks is how the options are settled upon expiry.
Hello.
I buy call OTM option of equity I HOLD IS till expiry and on expiry there no any buyer of to buy
(i.e. I buy MRF 80000 call option and unable to sell on expiry Qty 40 )
At this situation
1. I also have to take physical delivery of share, or cash settlement
2. How many charges I have to paid
3. OTM call how to settled
OTM options are worthless upon expiry, hence there is no physical settlement for these options.
Sir , I bought Sbin FEB CE 530 , a lot ( 1500 )for a premium of 30.5 Rs yesterday . Today I sold the position for for a premium of 25 and booked loss. Is my position fully closed. Or on expiry Feb 24 , should I have to pay anything extra ..
Yes, your position is fully closed. You can check in the positions tab, if the qty is zero, then you are out of the market.
I just wanted to know that what happens if someone has both call and put option of stocks and both expires as itm.
What will happen in this case as one has buy option that enables him take physical delivery at the same time he also has sell options that enables him to sell.🤔🤔🤔
I am curious to about this thing.If you have something please answer.
In such a case, since both PE and CE are ITM, the position will be offset.
Hi Karthik,
If I sell the stock’s option PE and the market is closed at ITM. What are the exact steps for taking the delivery of stock? Is it happens automatically by Exchange or is any other action required from the option seller?
You will have to ensure you have enough margin to take delivery of shares, the rest of the process will be taken care by the broker.
Suppose I buy 17100 PE. ON Thursday on expiry NIFTY is at 17000. Since I have not squared off, I will have to take delivery? so 17100 * LOT SIZE. HOW DO I MAKE PROFITS IF I HAVE NOT SQUARED OFF MY POSITIONS? I should be 100 * 50 in PLUS.
Aveek, there is physical delivery of shares on Nifty. Yes, you will have a profit of 100*50 since the option is ITM.
If shorted call expired ITM of any stock (position not closed on expiry) than how physical delivery transaction carried out.
Does it require any process? Or any intimation.
Pls consider i m holding that stock equal to one lot in demat.
Pls clarify.
AS you approch the expiry, margins required for such ITM position increase. Yes, if your position obligates you to give delivery of stocks, then you will have to have the stock in your demat.
How this delivery transaction carried out?
Shares are debited from your account, Rakesh.
Its my sincere request if the trading community or @ZerodhaVarsity
could answer this basic question for me:
1) If I have shorted a deep ITM 16000 Call option, (say)premium= Rs40 and at expiry with the Nifty Index spot at say 16250, the intrinsic value should have have been 250, but due to high bid/ask spread the LTP at expiry was 275, so if I had held the position until expiry will the loss be taken in reference from :
A) The intrinsic value (40 – 250) * lot
Or
B) The LTP (40 – 275) * lot
Kindly assist
Varun, upon expiry, all options will expire basis the intrinsic value only and not the LTP.
How are spreads settled on expiry? If I have a long deep ITM Call and short ITM/ATM call. Would this be netted off and difference credited/debited as cash from my account?
Yes, if both are ITM then it will be netted off. Else only the one which is ITM will be physically settled.
For example if I buy sbi futures at 200 and buy 190 pe option and on expiry sbi closes at 180 than I don’t have to give delivery as it square off with the future position, right. Please answer
Yes, that’s right because the 190 PE which is ITM offsets the long Futures.
In case of index options, how physical delivery will take place?
Index options are cash settled.
Actually I got my answer previous question (Index option settlement) from other people’s comments! 😅
Thank you!
Sure! Good luck.
Hello sir
I have Tata Power short itm position of April month and long itm position of may mth
_Tata Power April 245 ce
+ Tata Power may 230 ce
Can these 2 positions nbe netted off at this month expiry
And do i need something elss to do except for keeping both these positions open on the day of expiry
Thank you sir
No, they cannot since they are of two different expires.
Sir..
I bought Hindalco 550 PE at 25 premium and premium now is 56.
Now 490 is ATM and 550 PE is Illiquid.
There is only 4 days for expiry
What is my obligations and return.
If you are unable to square off the option by expiry, then you will be required to give delivery of Hindalco, for which you need to have stocks in your demat.
If l sell 2 lot call and buy 2 lot call options of different strike prices of the same stock, will there be any physical settlement at the day of expiry ?
No, it will be offset if both are ITM by expiry.
Hi ,
How covered put option are settled? Do i manually square off position on the monthly expiry day if my position ITM or just leave as it zerodha will square off my position and delivery shares in my demat. What are extra charges zerodha will charge apart from MTM loss ?
Firstly there is no M2M with options. If you have sold a put option, you are entitled to receive shares into your DEMAT, if you have bought PE, then the shares will be debited from your DEMAT. Physical delivery charges are applicable. Here are the charges – https://zerodha.com/charges/#tab-equities
Some quick short questions regarding physical settlement:-
1)Is the settlement price the closing price of the underlying on the day of expiry?
2)When we need to take delivery then the shares will be credit demat account but as in the case of giving the delivery we first sell and then buy ,is it that we need to have that no of shares in our demat account when we are bearish or is it that this procedure of buying again takes place after the expiry on the basis of Closing price.i.e buying it again on the closing price of that underlying on the day of expiry??
3)The time frame within which delivery is to be given/taken after expiry?
4)In case of buyer when he receives the stocks in demat account ,can he sell it any time in cash market at spot price and the profit structure of him will be as explained in the pay off structure.
Intrinsic value+ premium(call option buyer)
Guide for the same!
Thanks in advance.
1) No, its the last 30 minutes’ average price on the expiry day
2) Yes, if your position entails you to give delivery, then you need to ensure the shares are in your DEMAT before expiry
3) To be on safer side, ensure its available in your account 3 days prior to delivery
4) Yes, that can be done
Suppose I sell 1 lot infy PE 1360 ( premium 4 rs now ). But my intention is to take delivery if stock is at ITM ( that is less than 1360). Now i have few questions.
1. Suppose after buying next day stock reaches to 1360 than means my PE option premium will be around 40-70 Rs ( means i have unrealised loss is 1 lotx 70). Can i take delivery of 1 lot share next day or i have to wait till expiry day.
2. What about the MTM loss i aquire next day ? Will it be removed if i take delivery?
3. Can I take delivery staggered way if stock at ITM ?
4. What is best day to take delivery before expiry?
5. If stock crosses ITM and if i don’t squre off then then zerodha will do squre off and charge extra ?
6. Can I take delivery of stocks even if stock not ITM before expiry?
1) You will have to wait till expiry, but you can square off anytime you wish.
2) There is no M2M in option
3) No, that’s not possible
4) Not possible, has to be done on the expiry day
5) The option, if held to expiry, then will be settled by the exchange
6) No, not possible.
For equity options as per the NSE notification dated 12th “April Do not Exercise” has been re-introduced. Can you please explain how is this going to effect option traders? Also I do not see much tutorial around equity Option trading.
So if your option is 100 CE, the market expires at 100.25, then although it’s ITM, you will now have the option not to exercise the option, thereby preventing the physical delivery option and all the associated statutory charges. Also, the same concepts are applicable for both Index and stock options.
If I sell 1 lot of call option and at the time of expiry if it is ITM,
1) If I want this to be physically settled, should I hold 1 lot of quantity in holdings?
2) Say in my holdings, the particular stock was already in loss i.e market price of the stock is less than my buy price. What would be my net loss?
1) Yes
2) Yes
Futures are daily settled in India? Let us say I buy hdfc futures, what happen on expiry date?
Yes, stock futures are physically settled as explained in this chapter.
Hello Sir,
Assume I am not an active trader and looking to make some passive income with my investments.
Not interested in buying and selling. Just happy making some small amount of money every week while my investments stay put.
Assuming I have a portfolio of like 50L and I have pledged it all. Could I every week sell (far OTM) weekly naked nifty options ie 18%-20 % upwards for maybe Rs. 1 or Rs 0.80??
Market is at 16000 I could sell 19000 CE or 19500 CE?
Every week for 50 L margin I could roughly make Rs. 5000- Rs. 8000. Sure the ROI is terrible, but this is practically free money correct??
It is not like the nifty no matter what news happens would jump 20% in 4 days time??
Or is it not worth the risk/hassle??
Janmay, yes, you can. The ROI is the one that is not really impressive. The biggest problem with this is that once in a way when a black swan happens, you’d give away all the small profits you’ve accumulated over the months in 1 single shot. So watch out for that.
Hello Karthik sir,
That is definitely true. The ROI is like 0.18% which is not very good and this is only for someone who is not an active trader.
Sure but is highly unlike the market is gonna move 15% -20% upwards in a span of 3-4 days unless there is an event like budget or something.
On the Put side, it is very risky as anything can happen to make the market fall.
The call side is relatively safer, what do you suggest?
Yup, but you never know what happens in markets 🙂
Yeah, calls give more comfort compared to puts.
I have an ITM PUT short position in a stock. The strike is Rs. 420 and the lot size is 1300. I got a premium of Rs. 20 while I sold the PUT of strike 420. Now the stock is trading at Rs. 350. I want to take delivery of the stock which will be at Rs. 420×1300. Please let me know whether the premium of Rs. 20x 1300 will be credited to my Zerodha account or I will get a discount of Rs. 20 during the physical settlement?
The buying price will be 420 but 20 you have received as premium, so net price for you will 400.
Hello,
Suppose I have sold a call option 16500ce for premium (60 ) for June 9th… And on June 9th market closed at 16300. And the premium is trading around 180 INR on expiry day at 3:25pm . then, if I hadn’t closed the position , i would be sitting with (120*50) loss.. so what happens after 3:30 pm if I haven’t closed the trade and the premium dint go to worthless (less than 0.5 for example ) is it like i will recieve my premium even if I din’t close the trade but end up in loss which is (180-60) ?
It will be a loss of 120, Deepak. You wont get back any premium.
Do I need to square of my position (I have sold 16500 put option ) in case if it goes to 16300 range ? Like do I need to square of (by buying 16500 put option or leave it just like that ) ???
* It was put and not call in the last doubt
YOu can choose to square off before expiry or maybe let it go.
Hi Karthik, if I want to execute my put buy contract on the expiration date, assuming the underlying security price has reduced from the (strike price – premium), do I have to first buy the contract lot at the market/spot price to give delivery to the put seller/writer? Does this mean, to be a buyer for put option, I have to provision for (premium + lot price)?
If you want to exercise your ITM put, you just let it expire. Upon expiry, the shares will be debited from your demat account and delivered to the put seller.
Suppose I short 1 lot 1400 PEJUNE EXPIRY in INFY and my position is in the money at the time of expiry, then how much margin do I need to maintain if I need to take delivery of stock..
Physical delivery margins can go up as much as 100% of the contract value.
ఎక్సప్పైరి డే ITM ను CELL చేసి EXIT కాకుంటే ప్రీమియం ఏమౌతుంది సర్
Hi, is it applicable for Stock options also ?
Means if hold a CE/PE of a stock till expiry, do i need to buy that stocks at spot prices
Yes, all options.
How the nifty contracta be physically settled..?
The index is cash-settled, and stocks are physically settled.
I buy a call of july expiry and seen a nudge saying this contract will be physically settled on expiry if it turns itm and requires additional physical margin. What does it mean ???
It means that you will have to ake delivery of the stock upon expiry.
If I sell my call before expiry i.e. on Monday or Tuesday then also I have to take the delivery please tell…
No, there is no physical delivery if you sell it before expiry.
In the last week of July 2022, i bought option of navinflourine of strike price 4100 on very first day of last week i.e. Monday.
I sold the option before the equity price reaches 4100.
But it crossed 4200 finally on same day.
It was my fear that if equity crosses 4100 , the call will turn ITM and I have to go for physical settlement.
The option I bought squared off at 60 but it touched 180 the same day.
Now, I want to know whether i was right while squared off the option at 60 or I could have enjoyed the top of 180 without any physical settlement condition because it was Monday and not the Thursday i.e last expiry day.
I need an explanation.
Physical settlement is on expiry day, you should have held the option till at least Wednesday easily.
I have small doubt,
Supposed i bought CE of xyz stock. It will become ITM. Is there any scenario where i tried to square off position but it will not done and i have to compulsory go for physical settlement ?
If you hold the position to expiry, then it will be physically settled. Otherwise, you can square off the position before expiry to avoid physical settlement.
Hi Karthik – Have one question one this statement – “For example, if you have an SBI June long futures contract and long ITM Put of strike 200(SBI spot price at Rs 180), the long futures position will lead to a take delivery obligation and the long put option to a given delivery obligation. This will be netted off for your account and there won’t be any physical delivery obligation.”
When we have a situation like this, does it mean that the netted balance will be cash settled? As there is no physical delivery due to this being a hedged position, but there will be some sort of a payin/payout of the difference right?
One other question – Let’s say I bought a call option and it expired ITM. So me being the buyer, Do I always have to excercise or I can say I want to pass this? I know for ITM no one would do that because that would mean a loss but for any reason if the buyer does not want to excercise an ITM option, is it possible? If yes, how does that work? Does it happen through broker terminal (Kite for example)
Great stuff, enjoyed reading. Thanks
Pradeep, yes, the difference if any will be settled in cash at the settlement price.
If the contract is held to expiry and its ITM, it will be exercised.
If buy put option but at the time expiry i did not square off so next day they blocked 5.4 lakh now physical settlement is done in 5.4 lakh only 1.07 lakh are credited and what about the remaing amount sir they charged upto 4lakh its possible or they will creditted latter plz help me sir
If the long put is ITM at expiry, they you have to give shares. So I’m guessing shares are debited from your account.
what indicates rising in delivery percentage with good volume and decreasing price in stock which is not in F&O? strength or weakness.
YOu dont really consider the % delivery rate.
Is it Do not exercise option is reintroduced.
https://www.livemint.com/market/stock-market-news/nse-reintroduces-do-not-exercise-facility-in-stock-options-11649751264783.html
If I am long on shares and short on future of the same share, then will this result into physical settlement or netted off on expiry.
Not really. To offset physical delivery, you need to have two counter positions in derivatives only.
if i am having tcs future buy and call sell(ITM) if on the expiry i will both how it will impact from last week monday to Thursady whn i will sq off
Both will be squared off at the prevailing market price, right?
Hello Karthik,
First of all, let me thank you and your entire team for putting in such a nice/worthy content on options trading. I have a query w.r.t physical settlement of stocks.
I have bought Titan 27th Oct 2600 CE @ 87.5 and also sold Titan 27th Oct 2760 CE @ 42.3.
Question: When does the need for me to physically settle (to give delivery or take delivery) the stock arise if Titan:
1) Closes below 2600
2) Closes between 2601 and 2760
3) Closes above 2760
Note: I do not hold Titan in my demat account.
Thank you in Advance and awaiting your reply eagerly
Vinod Kumar
Physical delivery is not applicable in your case as you have squared off the option before expiry. But if you were to have held to expiry, the physical settlement would be applicable if the stock closed above the strike price i.e. 2600.
If I sell CE of HDFC bank, i need to have approx. Rs. 1.2 L in my a/c.
Alternatively, if I hold 550 shares of HDFC bank and sell CE, do I still need to have funds as above?
At the end of settlement, if the price of HDFC bank is higher than the strike price, do I need to simply deliver the stock or pay the difference? Additionally, are there any other expenses related to the contract or simply shares will be debited from my a/c.
Yes, you will still need funds to sell HDFC CE. YOu will have to deliver the stock of HDFC (physically settled). No other expenses.
I bought infy 1500 call option few days ago when it was OTM .. but now it has became ITM and i m still in loss… and I am getting mails from zeroda to pay extra as physical delivery margin. So can i hold this option till expiry..? Or i need to square off my position in loss…??
You can hold, but as the mail suggests, there is an additional margin required to hold the contract. So make sure you plan accordingly.
Zerodha doesn’t allow to Hedge contracts on expiry day. This is very bad. You are forcing physical settlement on us
If you are talking about stock options, we do allow them, but you need to set up your hedge before entering the expiry week. Index option, we are restricted by OI limitations.
1)Can i take delivery of my stocks in physical format? (in paper format).If I want to hold it for a very long term.
2)If it’s possible, will the stocks be still showing on my dmate account?
1) Nope, its all in electronic format. Its safer in DEMAT right? Why do you need this in physical form?
2) Yes, because there is no paper format.
Hi,
I have in the money short calls of x stock and spot price is 100 rs above and recurring a huge loss on this position.
If will not excercise this ITM short calls on expiry and I have physical shares of same stock, same quantity at spot price of above then physical settlement will be done in lieu of Demat holding shares?
Also, will I incur loss on ITM short call option?
Yes, if you are short and the option turns ITM, you will incur a loss.
Hi I want to understand , lets say if I have Iron fly in HDFCLIFE then what will happen till expiry can I exit before one day expiry ? or what happens if I exit on morning on day of Expiry Please explain
Yes, you can exit before expiry. Do read this – https://zerodha.com/varsity/chapter/options-m2m-and-pl/
Can I surrender nifty bees for physical settlement in case of ITM call option of nifty 50.How the whole scenario works ?
No, index options and futures are cash-settled, not physically settled.
I have query regarding who keeps the premium amount during physical delivery of stocks in put selling . For example I sell motherson at 5.25 premium at strike price of 80 but till the expiry motherson become 65 , now i decide to take delivery of stocks but happens to the premium amount
Will I receive Future if my Nifty Put option expires in the money.
Please reply
No, index options are cash-settled.
I have a question regarding Netted off positions.
Let’s assume that I bought 1 lot (2000 quantity) of BSoft Jan 2023 futures at 300 per share. I also sold 1 lot (2000 quantity) of BSoft Jan 2023 Call option (CE) with strike price of 290 and collected a premium of Rs 15 per share (15 x 2000 = Rs 30,000). Let’s also assume that BSoft expires at end of Jan 2023 with a spot price of 330.
Since I have 1 lot of long futures position and 1 lot of Short ITM Call option they will be netted off and I don’t have to give any physical delivery.
For the long futures my profit at expiry will be Rs 30 per share – Rs 330 (expiry price) – Rs 300 (buy price).
But what happens with the short CE position? The intrinsic value will be Rs 40 per share – Rs 330 (expiry price) – Rs 290 (strike price).
Will that be deducted from my account or will the CE position expire worthless since no physical delivery is needed?
The difference of Rs.10 (multiplied by lot size) will be deducted from your account. So in a sense, its cash settled.
Thanks for clarifying it.
I think it would be beneficial to lot of readers if you can write a dedicated chapter about how profit and loss will be calculated for stock futures and options upon expiry especially when a user has multiple CE and PE contracts on the same underlying.
It is still not clear for lot of people and there isn’t much details about it anywhere.
Sundar, do check the next chapter 🙂
What happens when I dont have the stock and I mistakenly held a short future position beyond expiry ?
Regards,
Akbar
The same will get physically settled, where you will have to give delivery of stock. But since you don’t have the stock, it will get auctioned.
This is in continuation to my previous question. I know that the stock will be bought and delivered on my behalf. Where will the stock be bought from? How much higher the stock could be bought at from the current market price?
From the auction market. Check this – https://zerodha.com/z-connect/tradezerodha/kite/you-can-now-participate-in-auction-markets
does covered calls require additional margin since iam having the same number of shares
Hi Karthik,
I am new to Options and have some doubts about expiry & settlement.
If I have
long NIFTY MAR FUT, 1 lot &
short NIFTY02FEB18000CE, 1 lot and
on 2nd Feb if Nifty closes above 18000( say 18200 ), then will my Futures position get closed? Can you please confirm?
Thank you.
No, Futures is for March expiry, so it will still be open. But the position will be closed if you don’t have sufficient margins to hold the trade.
If i short deep itm , like tata motors 600 put where today price is 440, at a premium of 170 and it expires at 500, what would be considered as my buy value in cash segment when i take delivery (for purpose of STCG or LTCG when i sell it later) , and what about the profit. Will that be considered as Fno profit ? And that profit would be 170*1495 or 70*1495 (actual profit) ?
The strike is the price at which settlement happens. For P&L, check this – https://zerodha.com/varsity/chapter/options-m2m-and-pl/
I have 600 shares of Reliance Industries in my Demat Account. i want to sell call for 2 lots. As i have shares in my demat account , even then do i have to deposit margin money ?
Yes, thats required Ashok.
Hello Sir,
1. I want to square off my position before physical settlement so which is the most delay time to square off my Call option ? and which half time ?
2. Can i roll over my Feb call option to March call option ? if yes how ?
1) You can square off the position anytime before the expiry.
2) Check this – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqRB7NGnOtA
Hello Sir,
1. I want to square off my position before physical settlement so which is the most delay time to square off my Call option ? and which half time ?
2. Can i roll over my Feb call option to March call option ? if yes how ?
All question on option in stocks
I sold put 1700 of adanient March expiry, if stock reaches 1600, will i have to take delivery of stock on expiry day, and if stock is at 1600 and i received premium of 100 while selling, i will be in no profit no loss, am i correct?
Thats right, Anil.
I am only buying put and call of future and option at particular premium, and if i am keeping the position till the end of expiry- i will loose whatever premium i have purchased or i need to take the physical expiry -pls explain,
As zerodha is giving pop-up when we are buying any F&O near expiry = that you will have to take the physical delivery
if it is ITM – do i need to pay extra premium or need to take the physical delivery
if it is OTM – do i need to pay extra premium or need to take the physical delivery
If its ITM, then you will have to take delivery and, therefore higher delivery premium. But if the option is OTM, then no need for delivery.
Hi Kartik sir,
I don’t have your personal email id thats why I am trying to communicate through this comment section. While preparing for varsity test for customer support role, I found that you have mentioned in Model no 1 . Chapter no. 4 card no. 5 that “As of today, India uses the reference point of 2004-05, the reference point is also called as base year.” Know India is considering the 2011-12 as the economic base year. Please make update the data. Because it is very much confuses non commerce background candidate. (Sorry for commenting publicly. )
Thanks, Dinesh. Let me check this.
In All The Cases At Which Price Physical Settlement Happens ?? Closing Price of Expiry Day ?
For futures, its at all price points. For options, only strikes which are ITM.
If I buy asianpaint future Apr at 2770 and didn’t close till expiry and wish to take delivery ? A. What if then future price 3000
B. If the future price is 2500
How much I have to pay in both case to take delivery?
Then you get delivery of Asian paints futures at 2770 when the same is trading at 3000.
If its at 2500, then you will be forced to buy Asian paint futures at 2770 when the same is available to you at 2500.
Hello Team Zerodha,
I have a doubt here. Can the options short position be offset by only delivering the CNC stocks or by having long Future lot of the same month as well ? If yes for futures, is there a sequence required (for leg1 and leg2 above) in long/short of option and futures (opposite positions of course).
Yes, all ITM option positions can be offset with futures. For example, long futures off sets long ITM Puts.
Just want to know what price the stock will credited to my account if i sell put of infy 1360 with premium of 15.5 for April 2023.
Thank you
The settlement price is the strike price.
If i sold call option and it expires ITM.i don’t have physical shares for delivery.how is it settled and if auction happens how to know the details
Check this – https://support.zerodha.com/category/trading-and-markets/corporate-actions/general/articles/what-is-short-delivery-and-what-are-its-consequences
Hello Sir,
Suppose I sell call option of ABC for May Series with a strike price of Rs. 10/- and cash market price is 100.
If I don’t square off the position on expiry day and ABC stock call option closes @20 premium and the cash market price is at 130.
How this trade would be settled in below mentioned 2 scenario along with fund flow ?
1. If I hold required physical delivery in my demat account.
2. If I do not hold required physical delivery in my demat account.
Pls reply ASAP,
Reagrds
Vijayalaxmi Chaurasia
Customer Zerodha
1) Since this is a stock option, your this will be physically settled. In this case, you get to buy the stock at the strike of Rs.120.
2) The broker will check if you have the margins (before going in for expiry), else the position will be squared off.
I have sold pvr 1540 call options at 8 and I have pvr stocks 407 in my acccont, so can wait till expiry and if it cross 1548 can I give my stocks as delivery ?
Yes, it will be physically settled upon expiry.
Sir
I sell strike of 2200 ce and pe of lal path, 28 jun expiry.
But any reason I am not able to square off my position on expiry 28jun.
Lal path closed on 2206 on expiry.
My question is these positions are physical settled or not.
Since its ITM, it will be settled physically.
I have 1 lot infy stock in my portfolio. Avg price is 1320 total value is 400*1320=52800
I sold 1350 infy CE. If it becomes ITM , I am okay for physical delivery. If the price goes to 1400 on expiry, what would be my P/L.
My assumption is , capital gain is (1350-1320)*400=30*400=12000
Fno loss= (1350-1400)*400=-50*400=-20000
So I would made loss of 8000 on this trades. Is it correct?
So you would be giving delivery at 1350, while the share is available at 1400 in the market. So you take a 50 Rupee hit on this. Do check the next chapter where I’ve explained the P&L part.
Sir i am bit confused please clear me
sir assume i bought Nifty 19500CE for monthly expiry OTM option
assume that premium is 100 and investment is 5000 so breakeven would be 19600
and assume that nifty is trading @ 19200
so lets assume that nifty went up by 50 points and premium went up by around 20 points
and todays profit was around 1000
Now the doubt is even if i exit the position @ 19250 without waiting for the spot price to cross the breakeven point will i be in a profit of 6000 (5000+1000) or will i lose entire premium.
You can sell the position anytime you wish, you will get the P&L. No need to wait till the expiry.
Sir when i was analyzing option chain in sensibull
i noticed one thing in the payoff chart please clear me that doubt
what is expected p/l on
target date
expiry date
Its the likely profit or loss you will make if you sell on a particular date or wait till the expiry date.
But what if it has not crossed the breakeven point?
but still i am in profits. Because in this module u have mentioned that you profit only after the breakeven point
That can also happen when there is a lot of time to expiry, Reethesh. You can square off the position and profit from the difference in the premium prices.
Thank you so much for giving clarity sir.
Sure, I’ glad you are liking the content on Varsity. Happy learning 🙂
Sir I have a doubt
Assume that today nifty closes at 19000 and 19100CE option premium is around 100
and today market is filled with lots of positive news
so because of that positive news the next day I will place a limit order @suppose 101 (19100CE)
assume that market had a huge gap up opening of 150 points and premium shot up by 50 points and become 150
now my doubt is will my order get triggered @ rupees 101 because premium shot up by 50 points sharp @ market opening or
should the price first hit 101 to get my order executed????
No, your order is to buy at 101, but since the price is 150, your order will remain pending in the system.
Hi, if I have sold and OTM option, do I still have to maintain full margin or shares in the account?
Yes, especially closer to the delivery date.
I am seller of call option and postiion not square off up to expiry date. As on expiry date underlying price is equal to or lower then strike price of my call option sell.Please Advise.I am liable for Physical Settlement or not?
If the price is lower than the strike, then the call option is out of the money with no value. So no physical delivery for this.
I have sold IRCTC 27 Jul 2023, 620CE at RS. 1. I did not get a chance to buy it back.
Last traded price on this option was RS. 2.50
Closing price of underlying share at 3:30 is 619.50 and last traded price was also below 620.
I have 875 shares in my demat account.
I have two queries here.
Will this option be called OTM and hence I dont need to do anything or do I need to give delivery of 875 shares as I did not buy back the call option?
Since its an OTM option, there is no physical delivery for this, Anand.
If my margin is cash should i maintain separate balance for physical delivery and margin or just have to maintain only physical delivery amount
You need to ensure you are covered under the physical delivery margin.
For physical delivery should i have to maintain the required balance excluding margin or including margin. Consider i have sold 1000pe of 400qty. Should i maintain 4lakhs for physical delivery or should i maintain 4lakh+what ever margin required
You dont really have to bother about the split, just ensure you have enough margis that the broker would ask you for maintaining the position.
Hi Sir,
What happens if I dont square off my sold OTM Call/Put options on expiry? Is it mandatory to square off (buy back) sold OTM options on expiry?
Kindly advise.
It will be settled by the brokers depending on the option’s moneyness.
Hi Sir,
I would like to add in continuaton to the previous comment that – I sell Index OTM options and buy back at 0.1 on expiry. Is there any penalty if I dont square off on expiry and will that OTM strike be automatically squared off at 0?
No penalties if you buy back. Also, in the example you’ve quoted, the option is worthless anyway, so even if you don’t square off the position, its alright.
Sir, thank you so much for the explanation.
Sure, happy learning!
What if i executed a credit spread of BAJAJFINSV.The two legs of the spread were1500PE buy and 1520PE short. What if the market closed at 1518 on expiry day. should I have to take delivery for the ITM 1520PE?
Taking delivery of the stock depends on your intention to hold stock. If you are uncomfortable with taking delivery, then you can close the position just before the expiry.
Hi, Suppose I bought 2000 quntity of shares of stike price 2700 CE @ 74 average premium , currently it is in OTM .ie spot in 2500, currently the premium is in 10. if premium increases or equal to 74 on expiry but below 2700 strike price, do I need to settle in physical ? can I sell at 74 premium again, if premium rises.
can I sell the quantity way below premium to get the remianing amount of incurring losses.
Suppose can I sell at 10 premium to get remaining amount ? i.e 2000* 10 = 20,000
If it is equal or below 2700, then the option is worthless and there is no physical settlement. Yes, you can square off the option at any price, your P&L will be the difference between the buy price and sell price of the premium.
Suppose if I purchase Sept future of TATA MOTOTS @600. Now if stock price goes down to Rs 580 at the end of the month, at what price I would have to take delivery?
At 580 as that is the settlement price.
Hi,
Please consider the following scenerio:
suppose the price of a stock is Rs.100. if I buy the one lot of stock future and and one lot of strike price 100 PE, what will happen price going rs. 10 up or down. i am buying at the starting of the series and want to take the position to the end of the series.
So you can look at the individual P&L for this, Mamta. On Fut, you will be profitable by 10, and you will lose some bit on the PE option.
Hi Sir,
Supposs price of Wipro is 430. And I sell call option with strike price 480 and collect premium of Rs 2. At expiry if Wipro price is anything below 480, do I need to do anything? No need of squaring off, right?
Thats right, the option will be worthless and hence no need to square off.
Sir
Suppose I have taken one ITM Nifty option in intraday on expiry
But auto square off was not happened. I also tried to square off but not happened in trading account.
In this case, what will happen further…
In case of physical delivery is applicable and I dont have any money bcz I m trading with one lot pretty small trader
if your option is OTM, then there is no physical delivery. Applicable otherwise.
Sir , i want know
I was sell a monthly Bank nifty option of premium of 30 at 44600CE ( 45 quantity ).
At the end of expiry banknifty closes at 44400 .
But I forgot to cover or buy at expiry day .
Then what happened , can i recived 45*30 premium or not .
Or i have to pay any fine on this ??
The strike is worthless since it has no intrensic value, so you will lose the premium you’ve paid.
Hi Sir I didn’t exit an OTM sell option what will be the outcome of this ?
Option will be worthless, Rajveer.
Bought Icici prudential 1500 – 585 put option. But unable to square off on the settlement day.
What will happen
If the option is ITM upon expiry, then it will get physically settled.
If I buy future of a particular stock at 1000 with a lot size of 600 and market expires at 900. My marked to market loss is then 600×100=60000. Then at which price I wiil be delivered 600 equity stock and how much money will be debited from my account because I have already paid 60000.
Kindly explain the scenerio.
It will be delivered at the settlement price, in this case 900.
Sir mera 19800pe Aaj expiryke din exit nahi huwa isko exit kese kare
If I buy CE/PE of a stock and sell 1 or 2 day before expiry is physical settlement required or not
It is not. Physical settlement is only for ITM stock option that is held to expiry.
Sir,I’m holding a stock Put option of 210Pe and 200Pe Oct expiry and the Qty holding is 3lk (150 lots)(2000 qty=1 lot)in 200Pe my holding average is 1.4 and now its trading below 0.15 almost dead and 1lk Qty in 210Pe my holding average is 1.9 which is trading below 0.5 so both presently OTM as the spot price closed on above 222 as on friday .So waiting for next week
Total contract value combined 5.7lk
Based on my position (expiry week)
1: How much funds will be blocked? an approx
2: Additional funds required at the max
3: In total how much funds must be in additional funds considering on (26th oct expiry)Thursday if spot price trading below my strike price that is physical settlement.
Delivery margin- No margin if contract remains OTM throughout next week. Brokerage-No, we don’t charge if contract is OTM on expiry. We only charge if contract leads to delivery or netoff.
if I have bought a ‘In the money’ call and let it expire, what will happen?
e.g. if I have bought (at Rs. 20) & holding a 520CE of DLF (a lot of 1650 shares) and the price on expiry day is Rs. 600, how will the physical settlement happen?
My understanding is as below but I need confirmation on all points below:
a) The price of 520CE will settle at zero? So, I will incur a loss of 20X1650 =33000?
b) I will have the obligations to buy DLF shares ( one lot) at Rs. 520?
c) How will the tax treatment happen? Suppose I get the shares at 520 and sell a few days after I get at 620, I will have a profit of Rs. 100*1650=165000. So I will pay a STCG@15% on the profit? And the loss on Options will as defined in a) and settled as business income?
1) Since the stock price is beyond your strike price, you will get physical settlement. In this case you get stocks at 520 while the actual price is 600.
2) Yes
3) Will be taxed as business income.
What is the procedure to get the physical delivery if I sell put option?
If you sell Put option, you will have to gives shares.
I am new to F&O Trading, I have a query:
1. If I Buy a Future Contract then I need to pay the Initial Margin only which is some percentage of the Contract Value, on the day of expiry if I don’t exit my position do I need to pay only the remaining margin other than the Initial Margin that I paid while buying Future Contract or need to pay Full Contract Margin again Other than Initial Margin that I paid while buying Contract ?
If you are referring to a stock future, then you do need to pay the full margins as the position will get into physical delivery. If you are short futures, then you will have to have the stock in DEMAT to give delivery.
I am new to F&O Trading, I have a query:
1. If I Buy an Option Call Contract then I need to pay the Premium only, on the day of expiry if I don’t exit my position do I need to pay only the remaining margin other than the Premium that I paid while buying Option Call Contract or need to pay Full Contract Margin Other the Premium that I paid while buying Contract?
I had two open short positions (futures) and was not able to square off at expiry. Now I have received a huge payable amount note for giving delivery. I do not have the funds for that at the moment – what are my options here? Can Zerodha do any net settlement and provide me the balance amount?
Ah, no…please do speak to the customer desk for this. They can give you better solutions.
If I buy SBI call option and now it is gone to deep oTM and if it is not sell before experiy then how much physical settlement amount please suggest.
You need not have to wait till expiry, Veena. You can sell it anytime you wish and not just on expiry day.
Hi Team,
I would like to understand the following scenario in detail.
As of today, Wipro is trading at 470. Consider i sold 500 CE for Feb expiry with margin of 1.5 Lakh rupees
Consider By Feb Expiry, Wipro stock moved to 510 . Now my position becomes ITM.
During expiry if i don’t find the buyer to square off my position, then i purchase the 1 lot of Wipro stocks worth 6 lakhs with price 510 during expiry day. Now i used the margin of 6 Lakhs + 1.5 Lakh for Stock option selling . Total amount is – 7.5 lakhs margin spent from my side.
Now i want understand , how the physical settlement will be done.
1. It will T+2 days to get the stocks into my demat account. If expiry is thursday, i will get the stocks into my demat by monday evening. will it still short fall into Physical delivery of the stocks?
2. If i purchase the stocks before expiry day, then i will have the stocks to give physical delivery then will i get the margin back used for selling 500 CE options and also the amount sold after the stocks .
3. In order to avoid Physical delivery if i can buy 480 CE or 470 CE ITM CE where i have liquidity or selling ITM PE like 520 PE or 530 PE where i can see liquidity.
4. Other way like buying Futures to netoff my position. Will i get the margin back after the expiry day.
Please explain this will help to understand better.
Regards
Mahesh
No shortfall. By the way, since you sold the call option, you will have to give delivery of Wipor at 510 and not take delivery of it. So your 1st and 2nd query are not valid.
If you wish to avoid delivery, then you will have to square off the position before expiry. Or you will have to have an ofsetting position. The offset position for a short call is a long Future or a short put.
Thanks for the reply Karthik. Kindly clarify the below please
1.My First and second point is when i don’t have the stocks to give delivery , i will buy them into my demat on expiry day to give the delivery if i can’t square off the position
2.Another point is i sold CE option which i can’t square due to liquidity issue if i buy ITM CE option and don’t square off what will happen. Due to Short CE, i am supposed to give delivery and Long CE i am supposed to take the delivery. Don’t this Offset position.
3.To offset short call , can i short any strike put or any other conditions to be followed.
4.Once we offset, do we get the complete margin by next day? example 1.5 lakh used to short call(not able to square off) and to offset 1.5 lakh used to short put(expiry day)/Long future(expiry day). can we get total margin 3 lakhs back to my account by next day.
Please advise.
1) Yes, you can do that. Ensure the stocks are in your demat well in advance.
2) Yes, as long as your long CE and short CE are ITM, your positions will offset each other and you can avoid physical delivery.
3) Any strike put, but the easier option is to just buy a CE. Sorry, I missed stating that in my previous reply.
4) Yes, margins will be released as soon as the expiry is through.
Sir,
I have purchased ASHOKLEY 170 CE (lot size of 5000) expiring on 29th Feb 24. Can I convert my CE options position to take physical delivery of shares? If yes, what is the procedure.
Thank you in advance.
Yes you can take physical delivery, as long as the option expires ITM Jayesh.
I have Sold COAL india futures feb 2024 at 238 and forgot to Square off the trade on expiry. Lot was of 2100 Share. Please tell me how much loss i will have to bear if the Prices on Next 2-3 dyas are up by just 2%
It depends on the settlement price, Shashank. But roughly about 8-10K.
Does stock expiration differ from index expiration, sir? I’d appreciate a video on stock option settlement.
As I watched PR Sundar’s video on YouTube, he stated stock option buyers also require large amounts of capital at the time of stock option settlement
There are weekly options in Index. Margins are dependent on the volatility. But since weekly options have short expiries, your holding period is short, therefore the time margin blocked.
Supposed I have Brought a Put 11 strike price option of IDEA and holding it till expiry and current I don’t have any IDEA shares in my demat account.
what will be cases in following situations:
1.I don’t have the securities in my demat account – but I have Cash in my account
2.I have brought IDEA 1 lot in cash on the day of expiry with the intention of giving it in physical settlement
3.If I Brought any In-the-Money Call option of IDEA – in-order to have netted off the physical settlement
4.If I have shares of IDEA gifted to my demat account.
another question
IF IDEA script is in FNO ban list – then will there be any circuit in that stock. As FNO stocks don’t have circuits?
1) This will be considered for settlement, but let me get back on this to be doubly sure.
2) You need shares in your DEMAT, fully settled. So buying on the day may not help.
3) Net off will happen, as long as the options are ITM
4) That will be considered for settlement. Once the shares are in your DEMAT, it belongs to you, does not matter if its gifted 🙂
5) If its in ban period, then you will not be able to initiate new positions, but you can close out on old positions.
Sir I will hold hal future and options at 86.25@300 qty but why growe app are auto square off my position in loss 58.25@300 qty can you help me expiry are 25 April Now what should I do
Ah, I’m not sure. You will have to speak to your broker to figure why. Maybe you had other positions as well?
Hi Karthik, thanks for the informative article and providing such helpful comments. Would request you to please help on my below query as well:
I have Exide 360 CE sold which is now massively ITM (spot is currently at 460). I have 1 lot of shares but not in the current Zerodha account of CE sold and I don’t intend to square them off either. I am fine rolling out/over the CE every month. My concern is regarding not going into physical settlement.
1. I plan to buy 450/460 CE on the last day, but I see Zerodha’s policy (#6) – New buy positions, i.e. fresh long positions, will be blocked on Wednesday and Thursday. So will new ITM CE buy not be available on Thursday? Or is that block only for OTM buys?
2. If the above is not available, I would then buy current month Futures so as to have a netted off position overall. I see that in that case there is no physical delivery required and the only additional charges is the brokerage which is 0.1% of the physically settled value. So is it 0.1% of (460*3600) or (460*3600*2)? i.e physically settled value is calculated as 1 lot cost or 2 lots cost in the netted off scenario?
3. Which of the 3 options would be better to get into a netted off position – Short ITM PE(e.g 480PE)/ Long ITM CE(e.g 450CE)/Long Futures, from lower brokerage charges and lower margin requirement perspective?
You cant really roll over, if you hold the position to expiry, then it has to be settled at expiry provided its ITM.
For these policy related queries, I’d suggest you speak to the Zerodha support desk.
If I square off option position before expiry, then will I have to take or give delivery of stock. Please clarify this. And also same about future.
No, physical delivery is only upon expiry.
Hai
For arbitration we need full margin on expiry for future contract ?
Example
Buyed sbi 1000 shares in equity
Short sbi future 1000 shares
Do we need full margin for future contract?
Both are net settled off?
Yes, you’d need full margins.
HI Sir,
When if sell Call as covered call and call becomes IT during expiry then the stocks in my portfolios are automatically taken at cost of sold call and the amount is credited back to my account? Normally how much time this process takes to get the amount credited to account?
(in may) I’d Infosys may future short, and june future long. And i hedged my june long with june put. But on expiry i failed to close my may short positions.
Zerodha gave my physical delivery at
Buy price of 1547 (while cmp of infy is 1410) nd zerodha sold it for 1427.
So it gave me a big loss
Is this corret or wrong??
Need an expert suggestion.
Yes, but I suggest you call the support desk for this for full clarity.
But karthik according to you what should be the price of buying ??
Kindly guide me.
Sorry, lost context. Buying price of?
(in may) I’d Infosys may future short, and june future long. And i hedged my june long with june put. But on expiry i failed to close my may short positions.
Zerodha gave my physical delivery at
Buy price of 1547 (while cmp of infy is 1410) nd zerodha sold it for 1427.
So it gave me a big loss
Is this corret or wrong??
Hey Manan, for this I’d suggest you speak to the Zerodha support agents. I wont be able help you with this query.
If I bought ONGC call option of 310 at premium of ₹5/-and ONGC price at expiry closed at 290. Do I need to buy ONGC at 210 or I just have loss of my premium?
Similarly if I buy put option of 260 at premium of 5/- and price closed at 290. Do I need to sell ONGC at 260 or I incurred loss of my premium only.
You will lose the premium if ONGC closes below 310. And likewise in PUT option, you will be profitable only if ONCG closes below 260.
Hi,
Today’s nifty bank closing spot price is 52870.50
I bought 1 lot (15 shares @ average price of 110.15 per share) of 52800 CE.
I also bought 1 lot ( 15 shares @ average price of 193.65 per share) of 53100 PE.
Today was nifty bank expiry and I forgot to square off my postions above. I am assuming the above CE and PE positions are ITM.
Will my positions be squared off automatically and I get my money credited in my account?
Yes, but the moneyness of the strike will be determined by the settlement price on the expiry day.
Hi,
Do I need to maintain margin in case of Holding Iron Condor for stock on expiry day.
As it is mentioned that this will be netted off.
Kindly clarify
Yes, you’d need to do that, Ketan.
Hi team ,
I have a iron fly position in tcs. two ce position and pe positions .TCS JUL 4000 CE and TCS JUL 4100 CE are in the money. if i allow this to expire any physically settled will happen or not , please reply
Arun, physical settlement will happen to all ITM option positions, unless there is a counter ITM position which will net off.
If I buy a stock futures for exampke Tata Motors and if the stock is trading less than the price purchased, can I convert it into physical delivery and hold beyond the expiry date.
Yes, but then you will have to ensure you hold the futures till expiry.
Hi karthik. Good day.. I had a future contract with IDFC First Bank for August which got expired yesterday and I did not forward that contract to next month. This resulted in expiry of Aug contract and Zerodha sent me mail asking me to take physical delivery. Now the amount shown in my debit balance to too high to receive to take physical delivery in such a short period. Now in case I don’t take physical delivery then what would be the consequence? As I am new it would be of great help if you could explain with an example.
If it is a take delivery position ,and you do not have funds, RMS will sell the shares received via physical delivery.
Check this – https://support.zerodha.com/category/trading-and-markets/margins/margin-leverage-and-product-and-order-types/articles/policy-on-physical-settlement
I sold stock options but could not square it off on expiry. I do not hold underlying stocks, which means I have not taken physical delivery. How will my position squared off? By what date it will be squared off?
I’m assuming this is a stock option. Please check this – https://support.zerodha.com/category/trading-and-markets/margins/margin-leverage-and-product-and-order-types/articles/policy-on-physical-settlement
Hello,
Please clarify my doubt. Let’s say I have 200 shares of Nestle and I do covered call. Let’s say the margin required by 70000 ATM at present. Do I need to maintain more money than that in my zerodha account, despite having 1 lot of Nestle if Nestle stock rises up or the premium requirement goes up?
Yes, you will if the prices go up and the margins thereof.
Are these rules still valid in 2024?
Say if we are hedging a script with both sides sell,
Case 1: CE side turns ITM
Case 2: Both strike price remains OTM and not ATM.
What would be the settlement clauses in both cases?
Yes, these are still valid. All ITM stock options are physically settled.
Sir,
I trade f&o of stock so, if i exit the trade in 15 min after booking profit and loss then also it will get settled on expiry??
No, what gets settled on expiry is the open positions upon expiry. Not closed positions.
In this case, when i physically settle my buyer with SBI stocks worth 6,30,000 (210*3000), will my buyer will pay me (200×3000) 6,00,000 as the agreed on the option contract. I understand that the buyer have already paid me a premium amount of 30,000(10*3000).So the buyer will not get profitable from this trade, but can gain back his premium loss by fulfilling this trade.Am i correct here?
Thats right. If you are a buyer – you will have the pay the contract worth and take delivery, if you are a seller, you will have to give shares. This is apart from the premium.
Hi Sir
Hope your doing good.
sir have two stock ITM Puts in Kite
first is Havells 2100 PE and second is IndusInd Bank 1480 PE which I purchased for Hedging purpose.
I have equivalent quantity of Havells and IndusInd Bank in cash Holding 500 each which matches their lot size.
I do have 12 lakhs of Collateral margin available with me(pledging Bankbees) apart from these two cash holdings.
Do let me know how the Physical settlement of these two happens on 31st October as this is the first time I am going for this ; Do I need to inform anything prior to the Zerodha customer care and Do the 12 Lakhs collateral margin will be sufficient for Margin fulfilment in last week for Non cash component and whether I need to pay any penalty for not having cash component .
Pls enlighten !! God bless you Sir
Ritu, ITM PUT means, you will have to give delivery of shares. This is assuming your options remain ITM upon expiry. Since you have sufficient shares in your DEMAT, there is nothing to worry about. Besides, you have margins too. You just have to ensure you dont sell these shares before expiry. Good luck!
Hi Team Z,
How will the hedged PE stock position be settled on expiry?
Long 250PE @ 26.5, Short 240PE @ 17, CMP 180 (Net payoff = 19.5)
https://imgur.com/a/kUQqQUU
How to exit such positions before exipry where options cannot be exited due to lower premium than its intrinsic value due to poor liquidity?
Ex 250PE Buy should be at 70 but it is trading at 54 currently leading to Rs 16 loss
Will it be positions be offsetted and cash settled (no delivery obligation, 73K to be credited)
Will the positions require full delivery margin and stocks and both trades will execute with physical settlement?
Will positions be settled at prevailing option prices (which is lower than the intrinsic value due to poor liquidity)?
Here is the detailed description of the issue with payoff diagram.
https://imgur.com/a/kUQqQUU
In this case since both are ITM, there would net off. Yes, the difference will be cash settled.
i sold tata motors put option at 840 strike(premium around- 4rs). I forgot to sqaure off this trade.
What will happen now, will i get delivery of these stocks at 840 rs?
I have around 3.5l in my account. Or will there be anykind of auction involved in this?
@kartik, please do help. Thanks
Rishu, since its a PUT option sell, you will be required to take delivery, assuming the option you sold is ITM. Looks like you have margins for that in your account to take delivery.
Yes, had the margins so got the deilivery.
Suppose now i have tata motors at 840 avg price, and i sell the call option of 880. And the stock reaches more than 880 and i let my option expire. At that time i will have to give delivery of the shares?
So i will have net profit of 880-840*lotsize? please confirm
Trying option wheeling startergy here.
And if the stock doesnt reach 880 the i get to keep the option premium as a option seller?
Yes, you will have to give delivery of stock at 880. Lets say stock is at 920. You are giving delivery of a stock at 880, when its actually trading at 920 in the market. So you do have a loss on this leg. Of course, if you’ve got it at 840, then you make a 40 on the CNC transaction.
So, we can avoid this physical delivery hussle by just squaring of whatever postions we hold before the expiry. Am I correct ?
Of course, you can.