Module 5   Options Theory for Professional TradingChapter 22

Re-introducing Call & Put Options

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22.1 – Why now?

I suppose this chapter’s title may confuse you. After rigorously going through the options concept over the last 21 chapters, why are we now going back to “Call & Put Options” again? In fact we started the module by discussing the Call & Put options, so why all over again?

Well, this is because I personally believe that there are two learning levels in options – before discovering option Greeks and after discovering the option Greeks. Now that we have spent time learning Option Greeks, perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at the basics of the call and put options, keeping the option Greeks in perspective.

Let’s have a quick high-level recap –

  1. You buy a Call option when you expect the underlying price to increase (you are out rightly bullish)
  2. You sell a Call option when you expect the underlying price not to increase (you expect the market to either stay flat or go down but certainly not up)
  3. You buy a Put option when you expect the underlying price to decrease (you are out rightly bearish)
  4. You sell a Put option when you expect the underlying price not to decrease (you expect the market to stay flat or go up but certainly not down)

Of course the initial few chapters gave us an understanding on the call and put option basics, but the agenda now is to understand the basics of call and put options keeping both volatility and time in perspective. So let’s get started.

22.2 – Effect of Volatility

We know that one needs to buy a Call Option when he/she expects the underlying asset to move higher. Fair enough, for a moment let us assume that Nifty is expected to go up by a certain percent, given this would you buy a Call option if –

  1. The volatility is expected to go down while Nifty is expected to go up?
  2. What would you do if the time to expiry is just 2 days away?
  3. What would you do if the time to expiry is more than 15 days away?
  4. Which strike would you choose to trade in the above two cases – OTM, ATM, or ITM and why would you choose the same?

These questions clearly demonstrate the fact that buying a call option (or put option) is not really a straightforward task. There is a certain degree of ground work required before you buy an option. The ground work mainly revolves around assessment of volatility, time to expiry, and of course the directional movement of the market itself.

I will not talk about the assessment of market direction here; this is something you will have to figure out yourself based on theories such as technical analysis, quantitative analysis, or any other technique that you deem suitable.

For instance you could use technical analysis to identify that Nifty is likely to move up by 2-3% over the next few days. Having established this, what would you do? Would you buy an ATM option or ITM option? Given the fact that Nifty will move up by 2-3% over the next 2 days, which strike gives you maximum bang for the buck? This is the angle I would like to discuss in this chapter.

Let’s start by looking at the following graph, if you recollect we discussed this in the chapter on Vega –

Image 1_CE

The graph above depicts how a call option premium behaves with respect to increase in volatility across different ‘time to expiry’ time frames. For example the blue line shows how the call option premium behaves when there are 30 days to expiry, green for 15 days to expiry, and red for 5 days to expiry.

With help of the graph above, we can arrive at a few practical conclusions which we can incorporate while buying/selling call options

  1. Regardless of time to expiry, the premium always increases with increase in volatility and the premium decreases with decrease in volatility
  2. For volatility to work in favor of a long call option one should time buying a call option when volatility is expected to increase and avoid buying call option when volatility is expected to decrease
  3. For volatility to work in favor of a short call option, one should time selling a call option when volatility is expected to fall and avoid selling a call option when the volatility is expected to increase

Here is the graph of the put option premium versus volatility –

Image 2_PE

This graph is very similar to the graph of call premium versus volatility – therefore the same set of conclusions hold true for put options as well.

These conclusions make one thing clear – buy options when you expect volatility to increase and short options when you expect the volatility to decrease. Now the next obvious question is – which strike to choose when you decide to buy or sell options? This is where the assessment of time to expiry comes into play.

22.3 – Effect of Time

Let us just assume that the volatility is expected to increase along with increase in the underlying prices. Clearly buying a call option makes sense. However the more important aspect is to identify the right strike to buy. Infact when you wish to buy an option it is important to analyze how far away we are with respect to market expiry. Selection of strike depends on the time to expiry.

Do note – understanding the chart below may seem a bit confusing in the beginning, but it is not. So don’t get disheartened if you don’t get it the first time you read, just give it another shot 

Before we proceed we need to get a grip on the timelines first. A typical F&O series has about 30 days before expiry (barring February series). To help you understand better, I have divided the series into 2 halves – the first half refers to the first 15 days of the series and the 2nd half refers to the last 15 days of the F&O series. Please do keep this in perspective while reading through below.

Have a look at the image below; it contains 4 bar charts representing the profitability of different strikes. The chart assumes –

  1. The stock is at 5000 in the spot market, hence strike 5000 is ATM
  2. The trade is executed at some point in the 1st half of the series i.e between the start of the F&O series and 15th of the month
  3. We expect the stock to move 4% i.e from 5000 to 5200

Given the above, the chart tries to investigate which strike would be the most profitable given the target of 4% is achieved within –

  1. 5 days of trade initiation
  2. 15 days of trade initiation
  3. 25 days of trade initiation
  4. On expiry day

Image 3_CE_Theta

So let us start from the first chart on the left top. This chart shows the profitability of different call option strikes given that the trade is executed in the first half of the F&O series. The target is expected to be achieved within 5 days of trade execution.

Here is a classic example – today is 7th Oct, Infosys results are on 12th Oct, and you are bullish on the results. You want to buy a call option with an intention of squaring it off 5 days from now, which strike would you choose?

From the chart it is clear – when there is ample time to expiry (remember we are at some point in the 1st half of the series), and the stock moves in the expected direction, then all strikes tend to make money. However, the strikes that make maximum money are (far) OTM options. As we can notice from the chart, maximum money is made by 5400 and 5500 strike.

Conclusion – When we are in the 1st half of the expiry series, and you expect the target to be achieved quickly (say over few days) buy OTM options. In fact I would suggest you buy 2 or 3 strikes away from ATM and not beyond that.

Look at the 2nd chart (top right) – here the assumption is that the trade is executed in the 1st half the series, the stock is expected to move by 4%, but the target is expected to be achieved in 15 days. Except for the time frame (target to be achieved) everything else remains the same. Notice how the profitability changes, clearly buying far OTM option does not makes sense. In fact you may even lose money when you buy these OTM options (look at the profitability of 5500 strike).

Conclusion – When we in the 1st half of the expiry series, and you expect the target to be achieved over 15 days, it makes sense to buy ATM or slightly OTM options. I would not recommend buying options that are more than 1 strike away from ATM. One should certainly avoid buying far OTM options.

In the 3rd chart (bottom left) the trade is executed in the 1st half the series and target expectation (4% move) remains the same but the target time frame is different. Here the target is expected to be achieved 25 days from the time of trade execution. Clearly as we can see OTM options are not worth buying. In most of the cases one ends up losing money with OTM options. Instead what makes sense is buying ITM options.

Also, at this stage I have to mention this – people end up buying OTM options simply because the premiums are lower. Do not fall for this, the low premium of OTM options creates an illusion that you won’t lose much, but in reality there is a very high probability for you to lose all the money, albeit small amounts. This is especially true in cases where the market moves but not at the right speed. For example the market may move 4% but if this move is spread across 15 days, then it does not make sense holding far OTM options. However, far OTM options make money when the movement in the market is swift – for example a 4% move within 1 or say 2 days. This is when far OTM options moves smartly.

Conclusion – When we are at the start of the expiry series, and you expect the target to be achieved over 25 days, it makes sense to buy ITM options. One should certainly avoid buying ATM or OTM options.

The last chart (bottom right) is quite similar to the 3rd chart, except that you expect the target to be achieved on the day of the expiry (over very close to expiry). The conclusion is simple – under such a scenario all option strikes, except ITM lose money. Traders should avoid buying ATM or OTM options.

Let us look at another set of charts – the idea here is to figure out which strikes to choose given that the trade is executed in the 2nd half of the series i.e at any point from 15th  of the month till the expiry. Do bear in mind the effect of time decay accelerates in this period; hence as we are moving closer to expiry the dynamic of options change.

The 4 charts below help us identify the right strike for different time frames during which the target is achieved. Of course we do this while keeping theta in perspective.

Image 4_CE_Theta

Chart 1 (top left) evaluates the profitability of different strikes wherein the trade is executed in the 2nd half of the series and the target is achieved the same day of trade initiation. News driven option trade such as buying an option owing to a corporate announcement is a classic example. Buying an index option based on the monetary policy decision by RBI is another example.  Clearly as we can see from the chart all strikes tend to make money when the target is achieved the same day, however the maximum impact would be on (far) OTM options.

Do recall the discussion we had earlier – when market moves swiftly (like 4% in 1 day), the best strikes to trade are always far OTM.

Conclusion – When you expect the target to be achieved the same day (irrespective of time to expiry) buy far OTM options. I would suggest you buy 2 or 3 strikes away from ATM options and not beyond that. There is no point buying ITM or ATM options.

Chart 2 (top right) evaluates the profitability of different strikes wherein the trade is executed in the 2nd half of the series and the target is achieved within 5 days of trade initiation. Notice how the profitability of far OTM options diminishes. In the above case (chart 1) the target is expected to be achieved in 1 day therefore buying (far) OTM options made sense, but here the target is achieved in 5 days, and because the trade is kept open for 5 days especially during the 2nd half of the series, the impact of theta is higher. Hence it just does not make sense risking with far OTM options. The safest bet under such a scenario is strikes which are slightly OTM.

Conclusion – When you are in the 2nd half of the series, and you expect the target to be achieved around 5 days from the time of trade execution buy strikes that are slightly OTM. I would suggest you buy 1 strike away from ATM options and not beyond that.

Chart 3 (bottom right) and Chart 4 (bottom left) – both these charts are similar expect in chart 3 the target is achieved 10 days from the trade initiation and in chart 4, the target is expected to be achieved on the day of the expiry. I suppose the difference in terms of number of days won’t be much, hence I would treat them to be quite similar. From both these charts we can reach 1 conclusion – far OTM options tend to lose money when the target is expected to be achieved close to expiry. In fact when the target is achieved closer to the expiry, the heavier the far OTM options bleed. The only strikes that make money are ATM or slightly ITM option.

While the discussions we have had so far are with respect to buying a call option, similar observations can be made for PUT options as well. Here are two charts that help us understand which strikes to buy under various situations –

These charts help us understand which strikes to trade when the trade is initiated in the first half of the series, and the target is achieved under different time frames.

Image 5_PE_Theta

While these charts help us understand which strikes to trade when is the trade is executed in the 2nd half of the series and the target is achieved under different time frames.

Image 6_PE_Theta

If you go through the charts carefully you will realize that the conclusions for the Call options holds true for the Put options as well. Given this we can generalize the best practices for buying options –

Position Initiation Target Expectation Best strike to trade
1st half of the series 5 days from initiation Far OTM (2 strikes away from ATM)
1st half of the series 15 days from initiation ATM or slightly OTM (1 strike away from ATM)
1st half of the series 25 days from initiation Slightly ITM options
1st half of the series On expiry day ITM
2nd half of the series Same day Far OTM (2 or 3 strikes away from ATM)
2nd half of the series 5 days from initiation Slightly OTM (1 strike away from ATM)
2nd half of the series 10 days from initiation Slightly ITM or ATM
2nd half of the series On expiry day ITM

So the next time you intend to buy a naked Call or Put option, make sure you map the period (either 1st half or 2nd half of the series) and the time frame during which the target is expected to be achieved. Once you do this, with the help of the table above you will know which strikes to trade and more importantly you will know which strikes to avoid buying.

With this, we are now at the verge of completion of this module. In the next chapter I would like to discuss some of the simple trades that I initiated over the last few days and also share my trade rationale behind each trade. Hopefully the case studies that I will present in the next chapter will give you a perspective on the general thought process behind simple option trades.


Key takeaways from this chapter

  1. Volatility plays a crucial role in your decision to buy options
  2. In general buy options when you expect the volatility to go higher
  3. Sell options when you expect the volatility to decrease
  4. Besides volatility the time to expiry and the time frame during which the target is expected to be achieved also matters

483 comments

  1. keshav says:

    Very good information sir.. thanks a lot and I am very curious to know ur trades..

  2. Ajay says:

    Awesome. Had a few queries regarding the suitable strikes for various trades, while going through the previous chapters. This chapter cleared almost all of my queries. Thanks. 😀

  3. Viren says:

    Hey Karthik! Awesome man. After research on different brokers, I joined Zerodha a month back. Either I wasn’t introduced to Varsity or I overlooked it. You guys are rocking. I was searching everywhere on internet about trading info and strategies and accidentally came across Varsity and that ended my search. Nowhere I could find all the information so compiled, thorough and simplified.
    Your hard work is very much appreciated. Keep the good work going.
    Waiting eagerly for next module.

  4. R P HANS says:

    Very important info or I will say it is extract of the full module in a very practical way. Thanks a lot for that. Actually about a year back I was trying to understand the same thing by looking at historical data on NSE site and copying them to excel and doing some calculation. But was very tedious and I left in between without any success. It is nice that you gave in a perfect form.
    * option shorting has been covered in earlier chapters but can it more explained the way log options are explained?
    * What is high or low for volatility based on which we can judge chances of volatility movement. I mean to say if volatility is already high then its chances of going up may not be high even some trigger in near future. Market must have already considered the volatility factor.
    * Is it possible that spot prices may go up but the the volatility will come down? Then what to do in options?
    I think you had promised to give one case starting from the TA and /or FA to option and showing option trade taking place. Will it come in the next chapter.

    Waiting eagerly for next chapter and next module.
    Thanks
    R P HANS

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      1) Is there anything specify you are looking at when shorting options? I suppose most of it has been explained.

      2) For nifty Vix ard 17-18% is considered normal. You can keep this as reference value.

      3) The next chapter has few case studies.

  5. narsimha says:

    sir,from next month futures margins r dramatocally increased,will it lead to increased option trading (bcoz retail traders cant afford that much marginsin fut so they may shift)i may be one among,clarify

  6. Prashant Warrier says:

    Dear Karthik,

    Another Brilliant chapter….Thanks a ton!……Maybe at this point, it may also be worthwhile to revisit Open interest in context of options. i.e how to interpret the current trading range using open interest information? It is widely believed (although maybe not necessarily true) that option writers control the option markets and therefore their action can give some indication of the likely short term market direction. Therefore the ability to interpret OI and its changing dynamics in the context of options may be useful?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      In fact the whole theory of “options pain” stems from Options + OI concept. Will be discussing this in the next module.

  7. r v n sastry says:

    Dear Sir,
    I would earnestly request you to kindly clarify the following as per my understanding from Key takeaways of this chapter that :
    (1) Buy options when I expect that the volatality will increase which in otherwords market will go down due to selling pressure . For suppose , if I buy call and put options both at same strike, call will go down and put will increase. And also
    (2) Sell options when I expect volatality will decrease which in other words market will go up. If I sell call and put options both when I expect volatality will decrease, both call and put option values will increase after decrease of volatality. I will be very much thankful if you can kindly advise whether my is right or wrong and if my understanding is wrong, please enlighten about my observation. I sincerely hope you will guide me with suitable reply Sir. Awaiting eagerly for your advice in the matter.Thanking you very much. With Best Regards, God Bless you Sir, R.V.N.Sastry

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      1) Increased volatility does not mean market will go down
      2)Likewise decrease in volatility does not really mean that the market will increase

  8. Ramu says:

    Hi Zerodha, This is very help full information, thanks for sharing. I wanted to know about approx. what % people (out of total traded people ) actually make money in F&O trading? as i check on web i see very scattered info but more or less retailers most of the times (>70%) lose money badly. As an institution which does business on FO trading you should be having appropriate info.
    Thanks in advance.

  9. Pratheesh says:

    Dear karthik,if my question is irrelevant plz avoid,otherwise kindly reply,look below this is a screen shot of nifty today 9.53am,i have a doubt nifty futures October contract opening rate 8400,high rate8723.85,how this trade is possible at opening itself?except that rates 99.9% trade is in betwn 8350-8250 levels,earlier also this kind of odd trades seen in nifty..kindly clear my doubt
    Quote As on Oct 26, 2015 09:53:04 IST
    CNX Nifty – NIFTY

    Open
    8,400.00
    High
    8,723.85
    Low
    8,302.55

  10. suresh kumar srivastava says:

    Again appreciation for your decent work , waiting for Currency and Commodity lessons.

  11. Ankit says:

    Next chapter please……….

  12. Sumeet Nagar says:

    Next Chapter please

  13. Sumeet Nagar says:

    What about squaring off the trade on the same day during the 1st half of the series? Which Strike should be selected?

  14. Sumeet Nagar says:

    Hi Karthik,
    I have a query..
    As per today’s data, Nifty 8400 CE is trading at 31.25 and 8400PE is trading at 353.15..
    My view is that Nifty spot will not cross 8400 till Nov expiry..
    So, what should i do.. Sell 8400 CE and collect the premiums or Buy 8400 PE and hold till expiry..
    I am confused.. Can u explain why and what i should do..

  15. kumar says:

    Hi Karthik,
    Thnks for lessons. I have read your module 4 & 5.
    I am new to trde.
    Want to know how can i identify the target and % target(here 4% up).

    thnks.

  16. Aravind says:

    Hi Karthik,

    Thanks for sharing this wonderful tips.

    However I have a question on settlement of options on expiry day. For example, assume I purchase Nifty 8000 [email protected] 15 – total qty 1000 on day before expiry. Nifty crashes on expiry day and ends at 7910. What will happen if I don’t sell the 8000 puts that I hold? Will it be auto squared off by zerodha? If not, what damages will I have to face as penality- excess chsrges/taxes?

    Thanks,
    Aravind

  17. Prashant says:

    Hi Karthik,
    Thanks for detailed chapters. I have read your module 4 & 5.
    Request you please make it available in pdf format module 5.

  18. sarath says:

    sir,

    what is naked option ? please explain

  19. Avinash Punjabi says:

    Loved the subject Re introduction to CALL – PUT options and the decision making process regarding which strikes to buy based on the time frame. I would want a similar perspective on selecting which options to write based on the above guidlines. If you feel it is too much to give the detailing as above then please give us a few guidelines n how to proceed on the same which will help us make the calculations. I am sure it wll be of great help to all members here. Thanks.

  20. Avinash Punjabi says:

    Loved the subject Re introduction to CALL – PUT options and the decision making process regarding which strikes to buy based on the time frame. I would want a similar perspective on selecting which options to write based on the above guidlines. If you feel it is too much to give the detailing as above then please give us a few guidelines n how to proceed on the same which will help us make the calculations. I am sure it wll be of great help to all members here. Thanks.

  21. R P HANS says:

    Sir, You must have explained but I want to know again that how to put target and stop loss on a naked call or put option. We know only spot price movement and its probable range. Shall the target and Sl be define on spot price or option’s premium?
    Thanks

  22. Hari says:

    Hi bro,
    I think I have started to get a “feel” about what options are all about. Feels good knowing these stuff. Thank god I found out about Zerodha & Varsity 🙂
    I have few queries about volatility and as I understand its like:
    1) I know if there are any events then volatility shoots up.
    2) I know if there is nothing special(no events) its going to stay at reference level (i.e. like you said VIX of 18).
    3) Question: when exactly does VIX go down? why does volatility go down? I have few guesses like dull market due to holidays etc but I need your expert answer 🙂

    Thanks Karthik bro!

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Hari,

      1) Before any important event, Volatility increases
      2) Events are not the only thing that drives volatility…increased trading activity can also drive the volatility.
      3) Typically VIX goes down when fear goes down i.e the market should go up.

  23. SARATH says:

    when volatility increase option premium also increase ..so in case of nifty volatility means implied volatility or India vix,…?
    when vix going down and iv of call option increase which means there is a chance of increasing option premium… Right?
    and last qusition in option greek calculator which iv we enter the volatility box call option or put option’s IV

  24. ANIL NEGI says:

    Hello karthik ji
    wonderful article, i have a question that is from todays data, arvind ltd highest OI at 330 today on call side, but as per chart it indicate that price has given a breakout and it can go back further, hows interpret it than

  25. Avneesh Yadav says:

    Hey Karthik,
    Thanks for the wonderful article.
    Since you have divided the time in 15 days interval but what about when we want to buy expiry which is two months away. Will the same charts/conclusions work ?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Yeah, 2 months away is still as good as ‘start of the series’ so you could stick to those guidelines.

  26. Sai Sreedhar says:

    Could you hint, how Hedging can be done with the help of Options?
    Is it good enough to say BUY Put Options of NIFTY for hedging – but how to determine how many contracts and what should the strike price?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Assume you have 2 lots of Future long, the delta equivalent for these two lots would be +2. To hedge this position you will need to buy puts which add up to -2. This would mean you buy 4 ATM puts.

  27. sabu says:

    Taking Theta into consideration, If I sell MIS option and would like to collect premium then would it be better to sell ATM or OTM?

  28. Vishwa says:

    Hi Karthik,
    please confirm,
    1.) Nifty Underlying is 8629.15. If i were to take CE call buy at strike 8500, at a premium of 139.50. So at close of expiry i.e. 25-Aug, The underlying should be above 8639.50 to consider a profit. Say on end of expiry the underlying was 8650, then is it 10.50 * no. of lot, considered the profit?
    2.) if i were to write a sell call option for 8800 strike at prem 5.30 and say at expiry the spot is at 8650, then i get to keep the premium of 5.30 or if multiple lots have been bought then it is 5.30*no. of lots. Is that right

    Thanks in advance.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      1) Nifty should be 8500 + 140 = 8640 for you to breakeven…and you make a profit over and above that. Yes, it would be 10.5*lot size.

      2) Yes you will retain the premium as long as Nifty is at or below 8800.

      • Dilip says:

        Hi
        I am struggling big time on premium profits When selling options. I completely understand above situation where full premium will be capped if the spot Prise stays above strike sold. BUT what I don’t understand is the wild movement of premium during days where Zerodha position shows losses! (Even if spot is above strike)
        E.g. – Sold Banknifty 26000PE at 115 on Friday 3:20pm (Banknifty spot 26500),
        – premium on Monday morning ( before Market open) was 104
        – Monday market opened 300 points down, and premium was 209… Crazy!! So instead of earning time value I ended up in loss?
        Can you not only help what went wrong in this situation? And how can I learn premium movements overall from start of week to expiry + volatility shocks?

        Pl help! Guide!

        • Karthik Rangappa says:

          Dilip, at any given point there are multiple forces simultaneously influencing the option premium. While there was a time decay (theta), the fall in price (delta) had a greater impact on the option premium.

          One of the better ways to retain premium is by selling out of the money options, holding to expiry, and pocketing the premium.

  29. Vishwa says:

    Thanks for the above clarification, Sir say if I want to opt for any one of the above option for current expiry, can I do that even on last day of expiry i.e. 25-aug. & is 3:30 pm the cut off.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      On expiry day the current month contract expires…and therefore you cannot transact in that contract. However, you can buy/sell other contracts.

      • Anish Chandrasekaran says:

        Hi Karthik,
        Pls tell what you mean by we cannot transact on the contract on expiry day. Can we not sell when premium goes up?

  30. Kamal says:

    Excellent site to gain knowledge .Kudos to Zerodha team.
    I’d like you to validate my observation which is on Day 1 of Sep month series the Nifty spot closed at 8572 ,sep futures at 8628 and sep 8500CE at 8702 (delta would be at 0.85).Was it a good idea to buy futures and short 8500CE ? this way we could pocket premium of 8702-8628=74 points as 8500CE and futures both will converge to end at same level?
    When will this strategy fail ?

  31. Ananth says:

    Hi Karthik
    Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation; If I want to judge whether Implied volatility is moving high or low for an individual stock (in order to take a decision whether to short or long an option), how can I get the data of historical Implied Volatility ; I understand we can easily calculate historical volatility, but how to know historical IV movement ? I tried the below link, but it does not capture Implied Volatility.
    https://www.nseindia.com/products/content/derivatives/equities/historical_fo.htm

  32. cquasar says:

    Hi Karthik, I am new here. I know of options spreads/vol trading, but I haven’t really taken the plunge and done any real trading on a personal account. What’s the best way to get started?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      The best way would be to run the strategy would be to actually deploy it in real markets and start taking small bets 🙂

  33. Rishikesh says:

    Hi Karthik,

    How to know beforehand that volatility of a particular option is going to increase ?
    Is there any particular mechanism to predict this
    or
    should we just keep watching the option chain of the underlying to see if its volatility is increasing?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      You can forecast volatility by employing volatility forecasting models like GARCH. This is a quant heavy topic and requires you to have some background in stats.

  34. Divy says:

    Is there a chapter what specifically explains at which strike price an option should be bought at ?

  35. Avinash Pawde says:

    Call option of Asian paints of strike price 960 is at 1.25₹, if tomorrow Asian paints again fall much so then will this call option turns to be zero value? And if day after tomorrow Asian paints goes up then will my call option continues to rise or my contract will be end as soon as the call option value turned zero?

  36. Taurus says:

    There’s a table in the end of this module, which highlights the “Best strike to trade” based on target expectation timeline and position initiation timeline. Is it applicable for all 4: Long call, short call, long put, short put.

  37. 9SR says:

    Dear Karthik,
    Greetings. In Chapter 22, monthly series is divided in to 2 halves and results of the trading is explained with the help of 8+8 bar charts. Is Volatility Cone is the basis for these bar charts ? or any other thing. Request your clarification on this.
    Regards

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      No, these charts are developed using R, basically an algorithm which suggests which is the best strike to trade for a given timeframe.

  38. kaushik says:

    Thnks for reply

  39. 9SR says:

    Dear Karthik,
    When back calculating IV, taking nse option prices, using BS Model and Binomial Model, IV values are differing significantly. Binomial Model, resulting lesser IV. Any explanation? Which Model is correct wrt profitability ?
    Regards

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      I know both binominal and B&S models lead to similar premium values. However, I’ve never tested for historical IV’s. So I guess I wont be able to comment to this.

  40. trader2017 says:

    While trading options is it important to look just at the volume figures for liquidity purpose or should we look into the Open interest figures as well? If yes for both, then could you tell how much is the ideal level for a contract to be liquid (volume and OI separately)? Also, I see that some call option contracts rise tremendously in value even if the underlying has fallen in value..for example on 24 march, TV18BRDCST CE of 27th apr 17 expiry, and strike of 52.5 rose by 3300% from the previous day close.. this has happened even if the underlying fell by 0.57% from previous close. Is there any way to spot such contracts and cash the gains by selling the contract soon ? 🙂

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      While both are important, I particularly look at volumes. Always compare today’s volume with respect to average volumes for a particular timeframe. For example, I’d look at today’s volume with respect to last 10 day average.Ditto for OI. Its hard to spot such trades, but with good amount of skill and luck, you certainly can 🙂

  41. trader2017 says:

    When I see the open interest and volume data for equity options, most of the times the open interest is extremely high when compared to volume throughout the trading month. So since volume is the number of contracts traded and open interest is the number of positions that are still open, if say for example I see the NIFTY 8000 call of 25 jan 17 expiry, till the expiry date the volume was around 8403 and open interest was 95925.
    1) Does this mean that after market close 87522 contracts (95925-8403) were exercised?. This seems to be the same case where most of the options are exercised for other underlyings as well. Note that this is an ITM option.
    2) Doesn this indirectly mean that a lot of people are ending up losing money because there is a greater STT that is levied on exercising options? And why are people exercising instead of squaring off?
    3) what will happen if I try to square off an ITM option on the day of expiry but I don’t find any buyer for my option?

  42. Ankit says:

    Hello karthik sir,
    I have a question i am tracking May, 2017 currency option(USDINR) for sometime
    today(21 april) underlying in red but ATM and slightly Atm & OTM puts mean close to underlying price also declining not much but little bit why this happining as per my calculation volatility is normal not decreasing , and there is lot more time to expiry then no problem with theta
    Then why this happening
    I guess this is due to all options contains excess value to protect Seller s and as this option going to be current months the price reaching towards normal or fair range
    Am i right sir pls…..correct me if neccsesory….

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Maybe due to liquidity issues. Keep track of the traded prices, sometimes when liquidity is low, the option premiums misbehaves 🙂

  43. trader says:

    SInce STT on exercised options is quite high and eat up profits made in ITM options, then how can traders square off contracts whose daily volume are also low? for example if you look for SBI CE strike 275 with expiry 27 apr 2017, from 27 mar till 27 april in the following link https://nseindia.com/products/content/derivatives/equities/historical_fo.htm the daily contracts traded for this option of SBI till the day of expiry is quite low. In this case will you suggest that the trader buys only one or two contracts so that he can sell it easily before expiry and he can avoid the trap of any options not getting squared off due to insufficient buyers? Second question is, you can see in the data that the open interest figures are quite high even till the date of expiry. so does this mean that lacs of contracts got exercised on their own on expiry day and the option holders ended up paying the high stt?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Yes, in fact ample liquidity is one of the key criteria for selecting stocks for intraday purpose. Its tough to find liquidity beyond 4-5 big names (ICIC, RIL, Infy TCS etc). Yes, many contracts gets exercised upon expiry. For people who dont know, they end up paying high STT.

  44. trader says:

    How can I find liquid stock option contracts (with specific strikes) and be sure that I will be able to find a buyer easily if I want to sell my contract before expiry? Also, if a contract for a specific strike has had over 1000 daily volume in past month then does it indicate that in the future months also it is more likely to have good volume? in general how do I know that a particular strike of a stock option is going to attract good volumes?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      You just need to scan the market to figure out where the liquidity lies. Usually, it is concentrated in few names such as – Nifty, Bank Nifty, ICICI, Infy, SBI, HDFC, RIL, TCS etc.

      No, today’s volume does not guarantee future volume.

  45. Ingit singh says:

    How do you arrive at the 8 graphs in section 22.3 of module 5-2. These are used in module 6 also. Are these based on historical data and remain unchanged or one has to plot them for every strategy. Plz ignore if the question is too dumb.

  46. Uday Sharma says:

    Can you please guide me how to trade in option from Zerodha pi/kite.

  47. Anantharajan Natarajan says:

    Dear Sir,

    Option chain contains current month, Mid month & Far month. For example My doubt is if current month not available volume, open interest or Bis ask spread is more so I wouldn’t take any option position. Then I drill it down find a mid month or far month options satisfied with Volume, Bid and ask spread. So if I want to select the option (ITM, ATM & OTM) how to consider or think 1st half of the series or the 2nd half of the series to initiate the trade.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      In the present Indian context, you will not find this situation. Liquidity is available in the current month as opposed to mid or far month.

  48. Shubham Choudhary says:

    Dear Sir,
    Do you have modules on option strategies??

  49. rahul says:

    Hello Karthik,

    The above charts really get to the core of why successfully trading options remains a challenge to many retail investors as myself. That said, a chart of Theta vs Strike Price will also help in understanding the core concept, IMO. I ended up searching for the chart when I realized that time value of ITM options is less than that of ATM options, which I found quite confusing.

    I’d read on the internet that Deep ITM naked options are a relatively safe bet but the above charts along with Theta-vs-Strike-price is really driving the point home for me.

    Thank you once again for this excellent material.

  50. yash says:

    Why is 5th module not available for download??

  51. Arijit B says:

    Guruji,
    Excellent stuff. If possible, please post table of Position Initiation Target Expectation Best Strike To Trade for banknifty weekly options.
    Is it a correct strategy to buying two strike price Call / Put when banknifty did not have trend of more than 200 points and forecasting it would rise / fall ? Please do let me your views. Is there any formulae to predict the premium based on predicted index if I know all the geeks and implied volatility. Thanks and Regards, Arijit

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Ah yes, that table has been pending for a while now 🙂

      Any strategy requires backtesting, Arijit. Cannot make a blind statement 🙂

  52. Arijit B says:

    Guruji,
    Thanks for your prompt reply and the suggestion for backtesting. Will confirm my theory with sample from 01/01/17 should suffice.
    Do you know or where can I find Black Scholes formular to predict the premium based on predicted index if I know all the geeks and implied volatility?
    Thanks and Regards,
    Arijit

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      I’d suggest you take more data points, at least for the last 2 years. Check this – https://zerodha.com/tools/black-scholes/

      • Arijit B says:

        Guruji,

        Thanks for the sample size …works in progress…

        I require formula not calculator as I know how to calculate the geeks from options chains table but I want to calculate the future premium for a strike price for predicted future index and current geeks…

        Thanks and Regards,
        Arijit

        • Karthik Rangappa says:

          Ah, expected premium? This has to be again based on how the expected change in greeks, not sure if something of this sort is available online.

          • Arijit B says:

            Guruji,
            I want to write the calculator based on the formula calculating the premium for a strike price for a range of forecast index price, based on calculated geeks from option chain table.
            Please help, if possible.
            Thanks and Regards,
            Arijit

          • Karthik Rangappa says:

            I’m not sure about this, Arijit. Can you elaborate a bit more? Thanks.

  53. Ravi Kumar BA says:

    You are a True Teacher!.. Who Knows what the students expect …
    We wanted this kind of Summary and reinforcement of complex Options in one single chapter!

  54. Gaurav says:

    Hi Karthik,

    Great learning from you. I just wanted to know how will you choose strikes in case I want to short options. This is because I have a portfolio and would like to hedge it and collect premiums. Do we still select strikes in the same manner as we do while buying options? Also, is it a good idea to short both call and put options to hedge each other out?

    Regards,

    Gaurav.

  55. Ash says:

    What standard checklist, pattern and indicators do you strongly use on a daily basis for intra day or 2-3 days type of trades while trading the “Nifty 50 Index Option”?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Whatever I’ve mentioned in this chapter. I avoid buying options close to expiries and buying when volatility is high.

  56. Hemant says:

    Dear sir,
    This chapter is highly confusing!
    If your target is achieved in 5 days do u square off at that point or continue till expiry? You target at the profit in premium or profit at the end in the strike price?

  57. Sachin Singh says:

    Hey! Since volatility increases when an important announcement is coming up, and increase in volatility is directly proportional to increase in premium, so irrespective of the result of the company, it would always make sense to buy a call option around 1-3 days before? If true, then what would be the appropriate strike price for this?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Volatility tends to increase, does not always increase! However, if it does, I would be comfortable buying slightly OTM, assuming there is at least 5- 8 trading sessions before expiry.

  58. Ravi Kumar says:

    Dear Sir,
    If we know the target is expected on expiry day, it is suggested to buy ITM strike option during the first half of series.
    1. which ITM strike option to buy? Slightly ITM or ITM?
    2. If we buy ITM option and there is no price movement in the underlying, would the premium erode due to Theta value and lose money? what happens to premium in this case?

  59. Arijit B says:

    Guruji,

    Your pedagogy is excellent and reflects what you have gone through to arrive at level of excellence !
    ————————————————————————————————————————————————
    You get compute geeks from option table.
    There should be formula with which one calculate the premium (by Black Scholes) for forecast index.
    Hope the above is clear.

    Thanks and Regards,
    Arijit

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Ah, I get it. This may not very intuitive since both the premium and the index movement (delta) are co-dependent. So you will end up in some sort of a circular loop when trying to do this. Anyway, let me give it more thought. Thanks.

  60. Rajiv says:

    It’s very good. the contents are so elaborative, I am good to read this. I shall apply it to real trades.

  61. Darshan says:

    how it is affecte to P&L ;
    1) X share trading at 100(spot price). i know share will be up 20 points(i.e.120) within 25 days. i bought CE option with slightly ITM (first half of expiry). but market react early and target achieved within 5 days. how affected to p&L as well as any other point that should be keep in mind ?
    2) which Moneyness for call option i have to choose when i only know X share have upward moves from current level ? May be 1st or 2nd half of the series.
    3) what is the thought behind buying/selling of next months expiry ? or better to not jump at initial level.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      1) In this case, the options premium will go much higher than the value predicted by delta. This is because of ample time value.
      2) If you have sufficient time, then opt for slightly OTM option, else opt for ATM option.
      3) Liquidity could be an issue with next month options, I’d suggest you stick to the current month options.

      Good luck.

  62. RAJAN . A.T. says:

    Sirs,
    I am Rajan A.T.
    After going through this chapter on ” Reintroducing Call & Put option, Kindly clear my following doubts.
    a) How is a Call option is different from a Put option for a same strike rate? for example How the ATM of today ( 16-01-2018 ) 10700 CE is different from the 10700 PE ?
    b) How ITM shift from left to right after ATM ie the light yellow back ground
    If the answer is of long stretch kindly give me a link to this answer.
    I have read this module no 5 two times . I could not get the answer for my above question.

    Please allow me to give an example of some what same to compare.
    Take chart of a Railway Time Table (RTT. in short) . This is a common chart familiar to almost maximum number of people.
    Let us compare both charts. The Railway Time Table (RTT. in short) and the Nifty Option Chain (NOC. in short)
    1 The central Strike Price column in the Nifty Option Chain (NOC) can be compared to the Train No and train name column of the Railway Time Table (RTT).
    2. The left side of the strike price column in NOC is Call option and its details . same way
    left side of RTT is UP direction of the trains and details of stations on the route and arrival & departure time of those stations.
    3 The right side of the strike price column in NOC is Put option and its details . same way right
    side of RTT is DOWN direction of the trains and details of stations on the route and arrival & departure time of those station.
    Kindly compare like this and make it very simple to understand.
    Considering the effort & time the full team of people have invested to prepare such a beautiful and versatile book, these type of comparison charts will go a long way. SORRY for taking your valuable time.

    Regards

    Rajan A. T.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      1) The basic difference is in terms of the directional opinion – you make money on call when the stock price goes up and you make money on a PUT when the stock price goes down
      2) This depends on the option type (calls and Puts). I’d suggest you read the chapter on Moneyness of option to understand this better.

      The RTT example is nice, unfortunately, I’ve not traveled much, hence not too familiar with the railway chart. But appreciate your inputs. Thanks.

  63. Rahul Pandey says:

    margin money is like a loan or a debt. isn’t it? so am i liable to pay the extra money that i borrowed as margin money for intraday trade that enhanced my profit??

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Sort of yes, but this is a standard feature offered by most brokers and no one really charges for it.

      • Rahul Pandey says:

        i am actually new to trading and when i received a mail from NSE at the day’s end of stocks bought and sold and it showed that i actually traded in lakhs when i just had 5000 in my account, that really got me scared.

  64. Murtoza Shaikh says:

    The way you bifurcated one month option contract into 15 day i.e. the effect of time on premium .
    Can you tell me the effect of time in premium in case on Bank nifty as the option contract are for one week (as per my knowledge. I am new to all this stuff correct me if I am wrong).

  65. Ramadevi says:

    Dear Sir, Please refer the last sentence in 22.3 ” the best practice for buying options differs with last column of the table where as it mentioned for trade
    Is it same for buying and selling the options.
    I.e 1st half of the series and the result is expected in 5 days from the initiation, the best strike to trade is far OTM is it holds good for both buying and selling.
    Regards

  66. Navaneeth says:

    Hi Karthik,

    As usual excellent explanations. I have a question about how one decides whether a target is reached within 5,15 or 25 days. I know that we can set our targets using Support and Resistance lines but how to arrive at the timeline for such a trade?

    Thanks in advance!

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Hmm, this will be a tough call and not an easy one to predict. You can only make a generic guess on the timeline involved in achieving the target, but no logic based conclusions.

  67. Azeem says:

    How does one predict that the volatility will go up or down?

  68. Rinkesh Ahuja says:

    Lets keep aside any mathematical model and I want to try and understand the rationale behind the volatility. For example: Lets consider recent PNB case. The volatility has decreased in the last two trading session. But, news can come up at anytime. So, discard the directions, can this be considered an opportunity to buy options (call or put)?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Hmm, I don’t think the volatility has really reduced. To assess this, you need to look at the current vol and compare it to the historical vol. Anyway, on another note, I’d be wary of buying options so close to expiry.

      • Rinkesh Ahuja says:

        I think I need to develop a mindset and understand various cause-effect relationship. However, I would urge you to describe any other mechanism which can help us forecast volatility as I couldn’t find GARCH (1,1) volatility.
        Also, the greek calculator at Zerodha gives output of call and put option premium. So, according to the calculations that should be the ideal premium one should pay? I didn’t understand it.

        • Karthik Rangappa says:

          Garch (1,1) is a quant heavy topic, Rinkesh. Let me see if I can break this down into smaller bits and put this across. I’ll need time for this. Yes, B&S calculator gives you a fair price also called the theoretical price.

  69. Rinkesh Ahuja says:

    Okay, I have come across the charts of IndusInd bank on daily time frame.

    1) Bearish Marubuzo
    2) Increase in Volumes
    3) Key Support level (now resistance) 1600 was breached, so conciding with 4% stoploss as the high of the candle was 1634.

    Now, hypothetically I want to go short on this via put options. Please explain me how to set up. I have understood that strike price should be selected according to the trade initiation and expected time period to achieve the target but still I am not able to predict whether the volatility would increase or decrease. (Let me try and put up questions in consequence and clarity.)

    Q1) I have thought to short IndusInd Bank based on technical analysis and getting to know about current NPA situations across the banking sector. So is this mind set logical?

    Q2) Lets say, I choose the March, 2018 expiry and there is plenty of time left. The target of Rs 1530 at spot market is expected to be achieved in 5-7 days. Therefore, I would choose far OTM (may be 2-3 strikes away from ATM.) ATM=1600 so I would want to go with PE option at Strike Rs 1560. We should use historical volatility to place a stop loss. I just guesstimated the time period for target. (Please let me know how you would have estimated the time period) *Am I correct with choosing strike price?*

    Q3) The Implied volitility is 27.74% for the strike I have chosen. Now, how to forecast whether the volatility would increase or not? Keep aside the statistical model and tell me how do you sense the general perception of volatility keeping our example in mind. [Well, I have also asked for GARCH (1,1) model too.]

    Q4) I used the Zerodha calculator of Black & Scholes Option Pricing Formula and got Put option (1560 Rs) premium to be Rs 27 and while checking the option chain on NSE website, the premium for the same strike was Rs 31.80. How do you infer this difference? Should we place order at Rs 27?

    [Imp Question] Q5) I saw VIX index and there was a fall in volatility. So, how to take that into consideration?

    I know I seem to be too confused and I have read the chapters twice but still I am quiet stuck with volatility part. If you could answer my questions in consequence, that would be great. Thank a ton 🙂

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      1) Yes, because you have developed a point of view here
      2) If you expect the move to happen over 5-7 days then going for 1560 makes sense. However, timing the market is hard, hence I find saftey in ATM options. Yes, you can use historical vol to place SL
      3) If you expect the stock to fall, then vol will increase
      4) Yes, as 27 seems to be the fair price.
      5) ViX is best approximation for the Index not for individual stocks

      Good luck!

      • Rinkesh Ahuja says:

        Amazing. I got the gist of it. Basically, during the consolidation phase, the volatility drops and when you expect a move in either direction, the volatility tends to increase? So if we are expecting a move then we should Long options.

        But it would be opposite when there is a key announcement or news in near future. Till that time the volatility would increase because of uncertainty and the the dust gets settled down leading to drop in volatility?

        Isn’t both of the above things contradictory?

        • Karthik Rangappa says:

          Yes, that is true. With respect to the contradiction you are referring to – thumb rule is – high vol (and you expect it to go down), look for selling options, low vol (and you expect it to increase) then look at buying options.

  70. Arijit B says:

    Guruji,
    Excellent stuff. If possible, please post table of Position Initiation Target Expectation Best Strike To Trade for banknifty weekly options.

    Have you heard of Ed Raman Support and Resistance …sorry for posting this query…
    If yes, please let me know.
    Thanks and Regards,
    Arijit

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Will check on the Bank Nifty weekly contracts, Arjijit.

      No, I’ve not heard of Ed Raman’s S&R. Let us know if there is any interesting information on that. Eager to learn.

      • Arijit B says:

        Guruji,
        It is available as a tool in Optuma but no details given how it is calculated by them nor in the Net.

        Observation about weekly bank nifty charts shared for information.
        Weekly swing of bank nifty is about 3% viz. 750 to 800 points
        Short Strangle on next week bank nifty , at strike prices higher/lower than swing band at thursday.friday, gives return between 2 to 3 % , when volatility is high.
        Thanks and Regards,
        Arijit

        • Karthik Rangappa says:

          Thanks for sharing your observations. That seems very possible, Arijit. But you need to ensure you are aware of the monetary policy announcement. Bank Nifty can swing wildly around these days. Good luck and stay profitable 🙂

  71. Arijitb says:

    Guruji,
    The observation is due to back trsting as suggested by you. This was weekly credit strategy when volatility is high.
    Dfferent strategy at play (buying call / put) near and at expiry on bank nifty derived after combination of various theories viz.Price action, Square of 9, Elliot waves and Ichimoku which gives stop loss, entry and exit levels of indicies plus moving averages and MACD on 5 / 15 minute chart with robust risk management and strict discipline in place. Just shared my thoughts with you.
    Thanks and Regards,
    Arijit

  72. Subbarayudu says:

    Hi Karthik, Could you please share the excel sheet to generate the P&L graphs at various strike prices as illustrated? Thank you in advance.

  73. trader says:

    Is there any calculator/model/method etc. which can help me know about the possible future price of an option contract if I have the current stock price (underlyings value), days to expiry, volatility information, expected future price of the stock?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      You can try variants of the B&S calculator for this. By the way, if the expected future price of the stock (on the day of expiry) is known, then the option price will be equivalent to the intrinsic value.

  74. trader says:

    is it better for a beginner in options trading to trade usdinr options since the capital required for buying options is very less compared to equity/index options and usdinr options have good liquidity as well? What are the things that one should be careful about so that there is no unseen trap (like the STT trap which previously equity options traders faced) when I start to trade in usdinr options?

  75. Parish says:

    Hi

    Suppose in first half of series I buy deep OTM CE option with target expectations of 5 days. But instead of 5 days my strike is achieved in 15 days . Why would I lose money then?
    I am not able to understand that. Afterall I have achieved my OTM target before expiry .
    PS: I don’t know it’s relevant questions or not . I hope I am putting it in right way

  76. Pradeep says:

    Sir,
    I bought put call of TCS i,e TCS 18MAY3200PE and strike price was 3400 (I think this may be far away from ATM) on dt: 23.04.2018 and noticed that price is moving down ( 25 points fall on the next day) as I expected i.e in my favor. But premium found loosing from 30 to 27.80 i.e 2.20 point down which in term showing loss of Rs 550/- instead of gaining something, i hope, requested you kindly let me know logic behind it please.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Pradeep, this is because the volatility had shot up (remember TCS results were due) and as volatility cooled off, the options reacted. Suggest you read the section on Vega in this module.

  77. Lawrence says:

    Dear Sir,
    Can we use the same methodology of strike selection (Nifty -monthly contract) for bank nifty weekly contract also? by considering 1st 15 days as first 3 days.

    Thanks.
    Regards
    S.Lawrence

  78. muthu mariappan says:

    Wow, what a great explanation…. Thank you so much Karthik

  79. Prasanna says:

    Hi Karthik,
    Nice information on varsity. Really useful for beginners like me. Consider bank nifty expiry week starts on friday and expires on thursday.
    1) What should be the difference (spread ) in call ratio back spread to incurr minimum losses.
    2) when we should take position for bank nifty in call ratio back spread ? At the expiry of current week for next week ? Or on Friday morning at the time of opening of banknifty expiry week ?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      1) I’d suggest you stick to the classic spread 2:1
      2) Ideally, this depends on the situation but yeah, I’d prefer Friday.

  80. trader says:

    Hi Karthik..its great to write to you again after a long time..my question is regarding strike price selection
    say for eg.. banknifty spot is at 26000..i have identified 26000 as a support zone doing some analysis.. and i think that price is going to go up soon..also, in the 30mins chart the previous swing high is at 26900. so 26900 is the resistance, hence for this i would buy calls with strike of say 26700..my idea behind this strike price selection is since 26700 call is now OTM, as the price starts to move from 26000 upwards 26700CE will soon rise in value and may even become ITM (considering I have enough time for expiry)..however, i did not make use of any greeks here..my entire strike selection was based on guessing levels which price is likely to penetrate by using technical analysis..what do you think of such a way to select strikes?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Frankly, there is nothing wrong here, it is just that being aware of Greeks helps you calibrate your trades better. However, here is a suggestion – when selecting strikes based on any non-greek based approach, I’d suggest you stick to ITM options.

  81. ZW4841 says:

    Hi Karthik,
    Here’s my understanding of the first example you gave.
    The 5500CE purchased in the first half of the month is most profitable if the target is achieved within 5 days. However, this is a deep OTM Option. Hence the delta would be non-zero (if there is high volatility), but substantially lower than that of the OTM option (linear Delta curve). But, the deep OTM 5500 trades at lower prices than OTM (5300). Even though absolute change is higher for OTM (higher delta), % change for Deep OTM surpasses that of OTM.
    Based on the above reasoning, the higher gain for deep OTM is only attributable to the high volatility of the stock, as without it, the delta value would be zero for deep OTM, and there would be no Vega effect on Premium either.
    Is this conclusion valid?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      I’d agree with you on this. You need also need to pay attention to the fact that the target is achieved within 5 days of trade taken (especially in the backdrop of more time to expiry). The speed of the market is also very crucial here.

      • ZW4841 says:

        Yes, and the speed of the change is the reason for the high volatility right- %change per day would be high over those 5 days?

        • Karthik Rangappa says:

          Hmmm, the speed of change usually refers back to the directional movement of the stock. A stock can be volatile, but essentially stay put in the same price range.

  82. Kartik S. says:

    Hi Karthik,

    Tell me if this strategy will work-

    1. Next day Expiry-

    Today say Bank Nifty or any underlying closes at 26000 and tomorrow is the expiry. I see 25500’s Greeks on Zerodha BS calculator and it shows premium as 104.5
    I predict that on expiry BNF will stay above 25500 and will be in the money at expiry.
    25500 opens at 107,

    a. That means people are paying ₹3 more over and above the fair premium right?
    b. Given the price stays over 25500 till say 2PM, isn’t it obvious that the premium will be over 104.5 which the Greek calculator has said Yesterday given it’s expiring ITM?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      1) Yes, and this is also a function of market’s demand and supply.
      2) Technically, the premium will be very close to the intrinsic value (considering its expiry day). So the 25500 CE strike will be trading at 500 given the spot is at 26000.

      • Kartik S. says:

        1. For point 2- you mean the 104.5 premium which the calculator gave applies only when the spot is 26,000 at expiry because while giving input to the calculator, I used spot 26,000.

        2. Now if I think spot will be 25750, I should input spot as 25750, strike as 25500, expiring tomorrow (Thursday) and then the premium comes to say 99.8.

        Today on Wednesday premium is say 110, but the calculator using my predictive close of 25750 said 99.8 for Thursday, then it’s not a good deal for me given I’m assuming my prediction will go right.

        3. Basically, I’m trying to get better at price prediction of underlying and not focus on premiums only cos if my prediction is right w.r.t. the underlying and I enter below black scholes Intrinsic premium, then I will definitely earn, right?

  83. Gerry J. says:

    Hi Karthik,

    Thanks for being such an amazing person.

    I have started trading options very recently with 10k capital in hand and with that limited money, I have been able to trade in NIFTY and Bank Nifty only.

    I trade solely based on EMA, RSI and MACD. The help I want from you is suggest me either equity scrips or indices which I can trade using 10k capital and which are not highly operator driven.

    God bless you!

  84. Vinod says:

    Hello there,
    I am not getting what “2-3 strikes away” means, though I know what striking price is. Can you please help?

  85. Jignesh Joshi says:

    Which strike should I select for intraday option writing ?? Is there any thumb rule in terms of delta and theta ??

  86. Gaurav says:

    Hi Karthik,

    Thanks for such a valuable lesson.

    I have a doubt – You have shown how to choose strike for call/put options if we want to buy them either at the start of the series or at the second half. However, what if we want to write them. Does the same strike will be applicable for writing also given that all the scenarios are the same?

    Ex- In scenario 1, you suggested that to buy OTM which is 2-3 strikes away from ATM options, so the same OTM can be selected to write if I think that the underlying would go down by 4% in next 5 days?

    Thanks,
    Gaurav

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      For writing options, I’d suggest you take the normal distribution method. Basically, identify the range and associated probability and take a call on which option to write. I think this is a fairly decent approach to write option.

      • Gaurav says:

        Thanks Karthik,

        So basically, these scenarios are good to go when they are combined with price action strategies or breakouts right?

        For writing we can follow normal distribution technique.

  87. GKRANA says:

    Your hard work should really be appreciated

  88. arun says:

    Your efforts making people understanding market are priceless !!!

  89. Madhu says:

    Hey karthik

    truly appreciate your work. Amazing.
    just a quick question – how did you derive the P/L (graphs) considering the strike prices (buying options)? any formulas?
    sorry, if i have missed behind.

    thanks

  90. Vishnuprasad Venukumar says:

    Karthik,
    how can i square off the option before expiry. Also does options have M2M. Can you explain how exchange transfer money between market participants in option trading.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      You can square of the position, anytime you wish. No need to wait till expiry. There is no M2M in options.

      • Vishnuprasad Venukumar says:

        So you make profit from the change in premiums.. right?
        And you do it by selling or buying premium.
        Whether the P&L calculation will be same while squaring off before expiry?

  91. Charan says:

    Hi Karthik, thanks a lot for the awesome material on Options trading

    Is it possible to share the excel file you have used for the calculation of the bar charts (profit loss % vs. strike price)?

  92. Darshan says:

    Sir,
    If I have purchased 15 Lots of Nifty and paid Margin for it, what is the best time and Rate to hedge the position via buy a Put Option, I am Long term bullish on the market but want to hedge the position due to political uncertainty.
    1. At the money ; 1st day of present series
    2. At the money ; within 1st week of series
    3. At the Money ; always midday of series
    4. In the Money ; 1st day of present series
    5. In the Money ; within 1st week of series
    6. In the Money ; always midday of series
    7. 1 strike Out of the Money ; 1st day
    8. 1 strike Out of the Money ; within week
    9. 1 strike out of the Money ; midday
    Same 9-9 possibilities for near month and far month illiquid options
    Thanks
    Kindly give answer in detail for my problem and oblige
    Darshan

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      The timing is really dependent on the way you understand the markets. Remember this, the delta of futures is 1. Since you have 15 lots, you are long 15 deltas on futures, hence you need to short 15 delta in the options as well, to ensure you are delta neutral.

      If you short an ATM option whose delta is 0.5, then you will have to short at least, 30 lots of Nifty ATM options. The problem, however, is that you will have to continuously tweak you position to ensure you are delta neutral.

      • Darshan says:

        Sir,
        Thanks for your reply, as per my knowledge and feeling 10th-12th day of series is best Rate for Insurance and one strike out of money is best for delta neutral, if you have any Stretdgy to hedge my position, kindly oblige.
        Darshan

        • Karthik Rangappa says:

          Hmm, you need to backtest this or at least paper trade this for few expiries before actually taking the strategy live in the market.

  93. Soumya says:

    Hi Karthik ,
    First of all , thanks for a great article. I just had one question. How did you calculate the profitability diagrams for different strike prices with target hit ? Is it the delta*chg in price – theta for the time to expiry ?

  94. soumya says:

    here is what I thought would be the calculation :

    profitability for the i-th strike = ( expected premium of the i-th strike once the target hit – premium paid for the i-th strike) * lot size
    expected premium of the i-th strike = ( absolute point difference for 4 % move ) * delta of ith strike price + (days to expiry) * theta
    theta being negative for call option

    Karthik, Can you suggest if the calculation is right ?

  95. Vishal says:

    Hi Karthik,

    I have a doubt after reading about greeks. Let’s say i am long on XXX18NOV140PE paying a premium of 5. Let’s say the CMP of XXX is 155. Now since i have taken position at the start of the expiry month, there is still long time for expiry. Assume the volatility was high when i went long, hence the premium didn’t come cheap. Let’s say by the time close to expiry (~30 mins before expiry) the volatility cools off and XXX stock price has indeed fallen below 140, say 133. According to the P&L i should be earning Rs 2.
    Would the P&L formula still hold independent of volatility dropping and also since premium would be trading slightly low owing to STT trap.
    In short, do we necessarily earn profits if the stock price moves beyond strike price +/- premium (+ when CE and – when PE) when we go long? Or can there be a case we incur loss owing to fall of volatility and STT trap resulting in premium being traded cheaply ?

    • Vishal says:

      I know that P&L formula holds good only on expiry. Let’s not assume Rs 2 as a solid number. Just say i should be in a position to earn some positive value

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Vishal, upon expiry you are entitled to receive the intrensic value of the option. In the example quoted you will receive Rs.7, out of which 5 is the premium paid and 2 is the actual profit.

      Yes, the STT has to be factored in. There are times when the option is ITM upon expiry, but the STT is so huge that it does not make sense (close to money options). So STT can eat into your profit.

      However, volatility does not impact your P&L post expiry. Remember, Greeks, including Volatility are all factors that affect the premium during the series and not post expiry.

      Only taxes are real in life 🙂

      • Vishal says:

        Hi Karthik,

        Thanks for your reply but i have complicated the question by brining expiry into question. Please reset the query to only below
        “Do we necessarily earn profits pre-taxation (by squaring off and NOT excercising it) if the stock price moves below (strike price – premium) on Long Put or stock price has gone above (strike price + premium) on long Call? Or can there be a case we incur loss owing to fall of volatility and STT trap resulting in premium being traded cheaply ?
        i.e., Is the premium guaranteed to higher than the price i took the position at after the above scenarios?”

        • Karthik Rangappa says:

          If the spot is above strike + premium for the call and below strike – premium for put, then there is a ‘great’ chance for you to make a profit. I’m using the word ‘great’ simply to convey the fact that volatility/theta/major news can play spoilsport.

          • Vishal says:

            Thanks Karthik, that is what i wanted to know. So “NOT necessarily” that i will make profit due to greeks even after spot price moves beyond our target!
            Learnt a lot from Varsity. Whole heartedly thanks to your wonderful teaching.

            A small suggestion, in the current chapter the section “Effect of time” is quite difficult to remember because brain tends to reason “WHY SO?”, except for theta there is not much reasoning. I know internally it’s because of Black & Scholes formula & difficult to put out in words.

          • Karthik Rangappa says:

            Thanks for the kind words, Vishal. About the effect of time bit, let me see what else I can do 🙂

  96. Bharath says:

    Normally when India Vix is low (16), then market supposed to favour bulls and if vix increases then it is considered favouring bears.
    However, when we spot IV of option to be overvalued by volatility come, then we would short the option.
    But this contradicts vix volatility ideology, could you pls shed some light on this?

    • Bharath N says:

      Please pardon the typos, what I mean is , when IV is undervalued we buy may buy PUT option expecting the premium to go higher if we expect the IV to increase.

      But when IV is undervalued this also means that there could be potential bull control in near future, hence how can we confidently buy the PUT option

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Normally when India Vix is low (16), then market supposed to favour bulls and if vix increases then it is considered favouring bears —-> No Bharath, don’t treat VIX as a directional indicator. VIX only tells you the extent of panic in the market, it does not give you a sense of direction.

  97. UPENDRA KUMAR GUPTA says:

    Hi Karthik,
    Thanks a lot for such intelligent teaching with clarity on Options trading.
    1- I am unable to understand from where profit loss % derived at various strike price in
    5 days of trade initiation
    15 days of trade initiation
    25 days of trade initiation
    On expiry day
    2- what do mean by ‘R’

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      This was generated using a statistical software called ‘R’. Basically, the entire B&S model was codded into R and these results were derived.

  98. somasekharaiah says:

    In the last part , a table it appears first part of series and second part of the series, i could not fallow, please explain. In both the cases 5days of initiation, expiry date and the same day reaching target, please somebody explain so i get clear picture. IN a month expiry two series both with 30 days details, I couldn’t fallow.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      The table just splits the time to expiry into two halves..the initial 15 days and the later 15 days (closer to expiry). With this in perspective, we further figure out how the option premiums and therefore the P&L behaves. Based on the P&L, we further identify which are the strikes to choose given the P&L scenario.

  99. K Karthik Kaushal says:

    Sir will the table change for weekly bank nifty options?

  100. Akshay says:

    Karthik,

    For the impact of time on options profitability, i understood the conclusions you have drawn, but i could not understand the underlying reasons for why the profitability behaves in the particular way, like in first half of series, target is expected to be achieved in 15 days, OTM options tend to lose money. Why?

    Thanks,
    Akshay

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Well, that’s just the way options behave. Understanding options is a completely different ball game, remember it is not a liner instrument like Futures. There are multiple factors at play wrt options, which makes it a bit complex.

      • Akshay says:

        I looked at option chains for different scrips and this is what i observed: Value of Theta is highest for ATM options and it decreases for both OTM and ITM options, a graph similar to volatility smile.

        Should not the impact of time be equal for all the strikes? Why is it that ATM options are impacted most by time decay?

        • Karthik Rangappa says:

          I need to validate this, Akshay. Intuitively, it appears that the theta should be constant. However, if you think about it, the ATM options are the ones which are the most reactive to greeks.

          • Akshay says:

            Karthik,

            Keeping everything else constant, for each passing day, Intrinsic value of all options will remain constant and Time value will decrease, Infact ITM and OTM options have more chances of staying where they are and hence their theta decay should be highest. Near ATM options have higher probability of converting from ITM to OTM and vice-versa – so their premium should stay high to compensate for this risk and hence lower Theta decay – But what we observe is the reverse – ATM options have highest Theta decay.

            Can you pls throw some light on it..

            Thanks,
            Akshay

          • Karthik Rangappa says:

            You are right in absolute terms, Akshay. ATMs have higher time decay. However, if you look at it with respect to % change then OTMs have higher time decay.

  101. SHARAD says:

    Respected Karthiksir,
    *Whole heartedly thanks for excellent coaching.*
    I trade only in futures since one year on basis of my technical analysis in charating platform. I have started reading stuffs on OPTIONS TRADING very recently.
    There are my basic questions.
    (1) On Dt.1/11/2018 I assume that Nifty is bullish above 10200. So I decided to buy 10400 CE trading at 150. On the very next day if 10400 CE rise upto 200. At this moment can I get profit by doing square off 50*75= Rs.3750/- even if Nifty has not crossed strike of 10400??? Is it cumpolsary to get profit that underlying *MUST cross strike price*??? As per my understanding this Rs.3750/- is the difference of premiums of 15000-11250???
    (2) In Same case. If due to bad effects of some external affairs Nifty started falling on next day and 10400 CE also started falling upto 100. At this moment can I book losses of Rs.3750 as we are doing in future trading??
    Please clear my very basic doubts.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      1) You can sell it whenever you feel like, no need to wait till expiry
      2) Yes, you can book losses and exit the position.

      Good luck, Sharad.

      • SHARAD says:

        Many Many thanks for reply.

        (1) My question —> Is it compulsory for underlying to cross strike price to get profit ?? In my first example can I get profit even if the underlying Nifty has not crossed strike price i.e.10400???
        You are sincerely requested to solve my above mentioned query.
        In presence of so many experienced traders in this forum my this kind of very basic questions are unnatural. Please forgive me.

        Please make this chapter available in PDF.

  102. Princia says:

    Sir u said when we expect in rise in price , we can buy call options…. How to expect?? Is there are indicators for expectations?? When to buy or sell??

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      For this, you will have to develop a point of view which will help you get a sense of direction. Both Technical and Fundamental Analysis helps you do this. While technical analysis is based on price action, fundamental analysis is based on how the underlying business functions.

  103. Milind says:

    Please ignore (or delete) the above two posts. Have again made a small error. Apologies for all the confusion. Re-posting the correct version (hopefully)-

    Hey Karthik, need your help in understanding something.

    I’d sold 375 Jan Nifty 9500 PE @ 11.92 on 13th December, and then further sold 300 Jan Nifty 9500 PE @ 2.7 on 17th January, overall making it as 675 Jan Nifty PE @ 7.82. So far, so good.
    That night I got a margin call from Zerodha, so I partially squared off my position the next day by buying 300 Jan Nifty 9500 PE @ 2.7, after which the position came down to 375 Jan Nifty 9500 PE sold @ 4.53. I’m unable to understand how this is possible since selling of 300 Jan Nifty 9500 @ 2.7 & buying the same quantity at same price the next day effectively cancels each other out (apart from the brokerage, taxes etc.). So, my position should have come back to it’s original price of 11.92, and not 4.53.

    When I spoke to someone from Zerodha on the phone, he said that this is because options don’t follow the FIFO principle. I know this is probably out of scope for you but can you explain what does that mean? And how the avg price is 4.53 & not 11.92? Thanks!

    • Nakul Kulkarni says:

      Hey Milind,
      The average price is calculated based on the principle of First In First Out (FIFO). In your case, when you sold 300 quantity of Nifty Jan 9500 PE @ 2.7, the quantities that you bought first (375 Jan Nifty 9500 PE @ 11.92 on 13th December) will be reduced. Therefore, you will be left with 1 lot @ 11.92 and 4 lots @ 2.7. Now your average price will be calculated as [(75*11.92) + (300*2.7)]/375 which will give you 4.54. You can refer to this support article for more information.

  104. Santosh kumar says:

    More complex the things, simple is the answer. your understanding of concept is simply great, more importantly the way of presentation. long live dear

  105. Srikrishna Rowthu says:

    Hi Karthik

    I was thinking of doing similar analysis like the one described based on time. But you have given all the info. here which is necessary to me. Grateful to you for this chapter. Thank you😊

    Thanks
    Srikrishna

  106. Sanjeev Gupta says:

    Hi Karthik

    I would like to understand if there are any weightage assigned to change in Options premiums w.r.t Stock price Vs other factors such as time to expiry / volatility / strike price etc . What I have noticed so far is that change in premiums is primarily influenced by stock price movements & impact of other factors may be negligible . Pls. confirm if my understanding is correct .

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Oh yes, Sanjeev, it does. These sensitivities are called option greeks. Suggest you read up the chapters ahead to get a perspective.

  107. Muukund says:

    Section 22.3 effect of time – I need help with understanding chart

    “However, the strikes that make maximum money are (far) OTM options. As we can notice from the chart, maximum money is made by 5400 and 5500 strike.”
    How is the profitability high when strike are OTM options? Is this call buyer or call seller perspective?

  108. Sudheer says:

    Hai thanks to you people sharing such a information and I have a doubt
    Can we sell a put or call option on the day of expiry of that specific option
    Example: 20SEP2018 NIFTY 10000 CALL OPTION
    can we sell it on 20th sep

  109. Pankaj Patil says:

    What means by First half series and second half series

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      A series has roughly 30 days….so the first 15 days is the first half of the series and the last 15 days is the 2nd half of the series.

  110. SUDHEER says:

    Sorry to ask you this but I had no option
    I have sent my details and hard copies to open an account with zerodha but I read reviews on the zerodha kite app. Those were not much positive about hanging and other problems with the server. So what are steps your people have taken to make sure these problems won’t persist again and again. And what if I had to get loss due to server problems etc.. How will I be compensated. Is it safe to start an account with you or will your people just say sorry after the losses please be positive and its just a general question. I am a bit concerned because it’s hard earned money I am investing here.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Sudheer, I totally understand your concerns. Yes, we have had issues in the past, and we were quite vocal about it, explaining what exactly went wrong. We put in massive amount of focus, energy, and funds to ensure these things don’t occur. In the process, we have taken ownership of several critical processes that was dependent on vendors. Despite all these measures and efforts, there are no guarantees, Sudheer. No one can assure you that..be it Zerodha, Kotak, 5Paisa…or even say Google, Amazon, or Facebook.

      Having said all of that, please be rest assured that your experience with Zerodha in terms of customer service, product experience, learning, cost benefits are exponentially higher compared to any broker out there.

    • Mani says:

      I am a Zerodha user for nearly 6 years and active trader for nearly 3.5 years. From my experience I can tell you that Zerodha is on par with HDFC or ICICI on reliability, yes there are few problems, even last monday there was a problem for about 5 to 10 minutes. But the thing is only if you are a intraday trader or HFT( which is not advisable for new trader) or if your position size is too big you have to worry or sweat over these problems.
      Anyway if you want a solution, then you can have a backup account with other brokers and park some money there so that you take a counter position incase.

      Like Karthik sir mentioned you will grow as a investor or trader exponentially over the years. Markets are like hard task masters and there will always be something new to learn, being with Zerodha does really help a lot.

      One more thing, you can see my name in almost all chapters pestering Karthik and Nithin(in taxation) with questions(some silly ones too). They have replied these questions with patience and passion, definitely it will rub on you. So ya, Welcome to Zerodha!!!!

  111. harsha says:

    Hi Karthik,

    I have few doubts on options.

    1. What will happen to my option if it expires as ITM (or) Slightly ITM? For example, I bought TCS 2000CE by paying Rs/-8 as premium and it expired at 2008.50. In this case, am I supposed to pay hefty STT even for 0.50 (2008.50 – Rs/-8 premium paid) ??

    2. What will happen to my shorted PE/CE options after expiry? i.e., For example, I shorted TCS 2000PE by receiving a premium of Rs/-7 and the option expired at 2020. Do I need to buy back my short position or leave it till expiry to pocket my premium ??

    3. Suppose, I bought 10 lots of TCS 2000PE by paying a premium of Rs/-10 per lot i.e., assuming TCS lot size is 250 I invested Rs/-25,000. On the last day my position expired at 2006. In this case, Do I get the remaining Rs/-4 (2006 – Rs/-10 premium paid) premium or will I loose my entire 25,000 if I don’t exercise my sell right ??

    4. I tried buying 10000 (100 lots) of TCS 2000CE in a single order. But, my order got rejected. I have enough margin requirements. What might be the reason behind rejection of my order?? Is there any rule that I should Buy/Sell only limited lots of options ??

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      1) Yes, these options attract huge STT and you end up paying more than what you’ve earned in profits.
      2) This again depends on the STT, if the buyer decides not to exercise due to heavy STT, then you are okay as a seller. Else you will have to bear the loss.
      3) The option is 6 points in the money, you paid 10, so you will lose 4
      4) I think there is a cap of 100 lots per order.

  112. PANKAJ PATIL says:

    If I write BANKNIFTY option 1 lot and till month expiry I did not square off my position . Then my question Is it compulsory to square off our position
    Is there is any penalty
    In case intraday I write BANKNIFTY is it compulsory to square off up to 3 PM at same day though I am writer

    • Aftab Maqsood says:

      As a writer its not compulsory to square off unless you have margin issue if you are having margin shortage you have to add extra funds to your account or square off. if you are a buyer and your options is in ITM on expiration it advised to square of the positions as you will have to pay STT on your position which adds up huge.
      Intraday options writing can be carried forward if you have sufficient margin, you need to convert it into normal and it will be carried if you dont have sufficient margin your broker will square off the position as he cant pay for your overnight positions.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      No, as long as you have enough margins to support the position you can carry forward till expiry.

  113. PANKAJ PATIL says:

    I write Call option of BANKNIFTY expiry 4 th April
    Call write at 3100
    Lot – one
    premium Received- Rs 124.15 × 20

    What will be my stop loss shoud My stopploss if I expecting minimum loss

    Please also give me tips How to calculate stoploss

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Any price higher than 20 will lead to a loss for you. So you need to ensure your SL is 21,22…or any other price higher than 20.

  114. PANKAJ PATIL says:

    sorry Print mistake I write Call option at 31000 Thirty one thousand read as above question

  115. ramesh says:

    Dear Mr.Karthik,
    Why ITM buy options that are not squared off at expiry attract huge STT? As per option rules , buyer has the right and seller has obligation. Hence penalty should go to seller. This was my understanding. Could you explain?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Ah I need to double check this. But if I were to guess…technically the buyer has to sell the long position to square off. Maybe that’s why 🙂

  116. Manoj says:

    Dear Karthik Sir,

    First of all, I really thank you from the bottom of my heart for explaining nuisance of stock market in a very clear and simple manner in all modules of varsity, which is really helpful for all, specially for a beginner like me. I have gained good knowledge through varsity. My query is : In this module 5, you have explained how to chose best strike price (ITM/ATM/OTM) for call/put keeping in view of the time to expiry and target expected to be achieved. Obviously this is meant for monthly expiry. But now since weekly expiry also has been started in nifty, does this chart apply to the weekly expiry also?

  117. Manoj says:

    Dear Karthik Sir,

    First of all, I really thank you from the bottom of my heart for explaining nuisance of stock market in a very clear and simple manner in all modules of varsity, which is really helpful for all, specially for a beginner like me. I have gained good knowledge through varsity. My query is : In this module 5, you have explained how to chose best strike price (ITM/ATM/OTM) for call/put keeping in view of the time to expiry and target expected to be achieved. Obviously this is meant for monthly expiry. But now since weekly expiry also has been started in nifty, does this module apply to the weekly expiry also? If yes, how can we use it for weekly expiry?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Thanks for the kind words, Manoj. I’m glad you are liking the content on Varsity. Yes, the same is applicable for weekly options as well, it is just that the timelines shrink while doing so.

      • Manoj says:

        Dear Karthik Sir,

        Prompt reply as usual. Anyways thanks a lot sir.

        One more question sir, apart from sensibul, can you suggest some other free website for virtual trading in options.

        • Karthik Rangappa says:

          Thanks, Manoj. I’m actually not sure about other resources online. I myself used to use excel till Sensibull came about.

  118. Vijay says:

    But Sir

    Now There are Weekly expiry

  119. Bala says:

    Hi sir, by the lessons taught by you, I got one idea, I.e. On first 15 days of series buying works fine so I’ll buy CE or PE according to direction. But on next 15 days of series, if I found a stock to be bearish.. Instead of buying a PE.. Can I go sell a CE option with ATM or slightly OTM?? Will it work effectively or both are same??

  120. Sachin Jaiswal says:

    For volatility to work in favor of a long call option one should time buying a call option when volatility is expected to increase and avoid buying call option when volatility is expected to decrease

    HOW I WILL JUDGE WHEN VOLATILITY IS GOING TO INCREASE ?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      There are 3 ways –
      1) You can do this by looking at the volatility cone, explained in this module. But you will have to build this, which can be a problem
      2) Assessing the historical volatility against the current volatility
      3) Building volatility models which will help you predict it, but then this can get complex and not easy to build.

  121. Harsh Singh says:

    Good morning Dear Karthikji
    Actually all the above mentioned 4 graphical representation across either 1st 15 days or last 15 days with any expected up/down target LOOKS ONLY GOOD IN THEORY!! Kindly don’t mind me, although u r million miles wiser than us, I’m stunned that u r suggesting buying naked options. Pardon me Karthikji, I lacked daring to buy/sell any options that’s naked. Here’s few questions kindly correct me that if certain things really looks good in theory or can be implemented practically-

    1) With Budget coming up on 5th July. We know the market on same day or even on next trading days will most likely have wild swings of at least >1%. Ok we can buy options call/put according to theory & expect volatility to increase. But in reality it’s very very difficult to buy strikes with low volatility. After June 27th expiry from 1st day of July series there can be number of Nifty strikes which will have Implied volatility greater than normal. So even if we buy strikes, although market will swing on expected lines, but volatility will collapse & we’ll be in loss till Budget event. The theoretical adage of buying options despite being right in directions & targets are completely negated by high IV from 1st days & here I’m hesitate to buy options. Am I correct here regarding PRACTICAL point of view 🙂 So what should we do here according to you & how we approach as recent elections showed that implied volatility will be very high in advance on each strikes as we saw since April ?
    2)Can strategy like long strangles work ?
    3) Can one be really successful with naked buying? Although on last or second last day of expiry Naked Selling can be fruitful b’coz of time passage certainty but same can’t be done with naked buying as it has very little scope of any such certainty ?

    Thanking you for giving your time for reply 🙂

  122. Srikrishna Rowthu says:

    Hi Karthik,

    When I look at few of the option prices for some shares, I see a huge difference between call option price and put option price. For ex: I see call option price of a share is 22 Rs and put option price is 45 RS. Both are ATM options. This is like continuing if we go far from ATM. That is , 20 Rs upside call option price (OTM) is half of 20 Rs downside put option price (OTM) and so on.. I see this for 2 months now. Not just for 1 share, see for few other shares as well. 1) Any probable reasons for this.
    2) Based on this, can any strategy be applied?

    Thanks
    Srikrishna
    Thanks
    Srikrishna

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      1) This is because of the inherent demand-supply for these options plus the effect of vega
      2) Hmmm, maybe something around the put-call parity. Need to explore more.

  123. Ashwin says:

    Hi Karthik,

    It is now clear that, apart from time to expiry, time to achieve target is also important in determining which strikes to trade. What are some of the best ways to estimate time to achieve target? Have you covered this in some other chapter?

    Regards.

  124. RAHUL says:

    What is the maximum limit for no. of lot for NIFTY – OPTIONS intraday and positional trading?

  125. RAHUL says:

    Many thanks for prompt reply.
    100 lots per order ……..is it for intraday or positional???
    Is there any per day limit for no. of lot??

  126. Vamsi says:

    Hi Karthik,
    I would like to thank you for your constant support to young traders and helping them to how to make a good trade and Zerodha always look into the prospective of traders welfare

    I have a doubt from chapter 22 (Re-introducing put & call options) the four trade initiation bar charts, i am not able to catch the bar diagrams and how the profit % changes from 4700 to 5500 and here what is original strike price, what premium we have entered in the options
    how these figures are changing in change in days could you please throw some light on these doubts please

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Vamsi, thanks for the kinds words. I’m glad you liked the contents here. The bar chart simply shows the most profitable strikes to select given the time to expiry and the speed at which the target is expected to be achieved. I’d suggest you take a look at the charts again with this perspective.

  127. Anil kumar says:

    Sir, you told that in intraday we can make profit with change in premium,for example in same day i expect that stock will rise 500 to 510,can i buy any strike price i.e 600 or 650 which is otm.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      This depends on the time to expiry and the strike. Far OTM options may not move much. If there is ample time to expiry, then maybe the 600CE may move slightly. However, ATM strike will move.

  128. Shashee karkera says:

    Really a great way to an explanation of the buy or write method duration of the expiry and good help for the beginner like me.
    Thank you again.

  129. OP Verma says:

    Hello Kartik,
    Sorry I am writing this problem in this forum .

    I experience this problem a number of times usually after 3 PM.
    I have a position of bought a CE or a PE . ( I have not recently sold any options ) . When I want to square off the trade , the system rejects with a reply ” You have no funds to sell ” where is the question of funds. I am not writing this option but only squaring off the existing buy position. Today this again happened. I have taken screen shots also of four times rejection .
    I have a hearing problem ,cannot discuss this on telephone – 080-40402020 . Neither I could locate your e-mail for complaints. Support panel is useless ,it has its own topics. So writing on this . Where and how do I send the complaint with screen shots. Is there something unusual at 3 PM and after that. I missed a profit of more than Rs.4000/- and I kept trying in desperation till I got it in 5th attempt

  130. Aakash Banjara says:

    Sir, i am little bit confused what is 1st half of series and what is 2nd half become you mentioned expiry in both and how could be 25th day in 1st half of series become it should be 14th day in each series . isn’t it

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      The halves are basically dividing the number of days in the series into two bits. This is done to explain the various greeks and their impact on the option premium.

  131. Bharat Bhardwaj says:

    Dear Sir

    Greetings

    I understood concept but fails to understand logic.
    Ex. If we buys call option in 1st half & expect to achieve its target in 5 days (Your 1st Scenario)
    – The effect of theta shall be minimum as there is ample time to expire.
    -ITM option have maximum delta as compared to OTM or ATM.

    Then ITM option shall make maximum profit due to high delta if change in premium is due to direction.
    How does far OTM option makes maximum profit.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      In terms of % change and return on premium than it is the OTM which gives you the maximum bang for the buck. ITM is in terms of absolute P&L.

  132. Satish says:

    Dear Karthik,

    If we cannot fix a target, and just want to gain based on directional movement, what maybe the best selection, ITM, OTM or ATM.

  133. Satish says:

    Dear Karthik.

    Is there any practical advice on number of lots to buy.
    If I am trading options in Nifty, is there a cap on number of lots, which you may suggest, because there must be sellers if I have to buy and vice versa.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      It depends on your overall risk management strategy. Quick and dirty rule – not more than 3 or 4 lots for every 3-5 lacs of capital.

  134. Rahul Mishra says:

    Dear Sir,

    Referring to the table highlighting the ‘Best Strikes to Trade’, this table is valid for what values of ‘Thetha’ ? Or, is it valid for all values of ‘Thetha’ ?

    Regards,
    Rahul Mishra

  135. Rahul Mishra says:

    Sorry, I mean ‘Vega’ ?
    Is the table valid for all values of ‘Vega’, or for some particular values of ‘Vega’ ?

    Regards,
    Rahul Mishra

  136. Devansh says:

    Hi. I have two queries –
    1) When you say that call option should be bought when volatility is expected to increase and sold when volatility is expected to decrease, but in this case the premium is acting against the buyer and seller i.e. they would have to shell out more and receive less premium respectively.
    2) Also, the chart that is presented for selecting the correct strike price – What is the rationale behind it ? I mean is this a standardized chart followed by everyone or is it subject to change ?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      1) How is that, Devansh. With the increase in vol, the premiums swell, so you sell when the premium has increased and vice versa
      2) No, the chart was created specifically to convey the concept

  137. Aravinth Kalaiselvan says:

    Hey, please correct me if am wrong

    22.3 – Effect of time

    25 days of trade initiation graph, when we buy an deep otm option, we’ll lose money. Time duration is 25 days, means initially the premium is high due to time value of premium. As an effect of time decay, we’ll lose money.

    The 200 point increase in the underlying asset won’t help because the delta of deep otm is very less.

    But when we buy in itm, the delta value is high which will compensate the effect of time decay and provide us with high profit percentage.

  138. Aravinth Kalaiselvan says:

    Thanks man

    Really appreciate your help.

  139. vigneshwaran PV says:

    You said we can buy the strick of the option WRT to the volatility index. And VIX tells about the general market movement and what if I want to concentrate on one particular stock (say ITC). How will I look for the Volatility of this option in any particular strick? How about refereing the IV given in the Option Chain table in the NSE website? And even if I see the chart each strick is having different IV value. So, my question here is, how can we come to the conclusion that one particular will move 4 to 5% in a day? Which IV value will fluctuate between 4 to 5%?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      You can calculate the historical volatility of the stock and use that as a proxy. Btw, do check out Sensibull, they give out IV charts as well.

  140. Ron Kalra says:

    Hi Karthik,
    Hope you are doing well. Now I have a confusion which is not letting me sleep. 🙂
    U said we should buy a call when we expect the volatility to increase, ok I understand this part and that’s what I have been trying to do when I trade options.
    But now my confusion has started to grow after reading little bit about India Vix ( not full knowledge which I know is very dangerous ) that’s why I thought of asking you.
    I have seen when the VIX goes up then the nifty falls down and vice versa. So, don’t u think I should be planning to buy a put rather than buying a call. B’coz VIX is going up means volatility is going up but the nifty is going down. I hope it makes sense to what I’m asking.
    Infact I was think in case I see VIX going up I will buy put and when I see VIX going down then I will sell call.

    Also, can you please let me know what chart should I be considering and giving more importance too. Should I trade looking at VIX and not too much importance to Nifty Chart. Let’s I see the VIX chart will go up then should I right away buy a put or should I look for a signal ( to short ) in the Nifty Chart.

    VERY IMPORTANT :- Is it possible that if VIX is GOING UP, NIFTY Will also GOES UP. or is it the case that every time VIX goes up, Nifty will go down. Which is true and how reliable ?

    Many thanks in advance.

    Do appreciate everything that you do to support us.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      If the volatility goes up (you can take ViX as a proxy), then the premium of both call and put options go up. As a general rule, an increase in volatility implies an increase in option premium and vice versa.

      Traders do use ViX for taking cues on trading, but then you need to have a full understanding of ViX, else it can be a futile attempt.

  141. ron says:

    Thank you for your quick response.

    Is it possible that if VIX is GOING UP, NIFTY Will also GO UP. or is it the case that every time VIX goes up, Nifty will go down. Which is true and how reliable ?

    Many thanks

  142. Ron says:

    Thank you once again for your quick response and sorry to bother you again and again. So does that means that most of the times when VIX goes up Nifty will go down but OCCASIONALLY it might be the other way round. Am I correct in saying that ?

    Once again thank you very much for your patiences in answering to all my queries, appreciated !

  143. Sudhir Saha says:

    Hi Karthik,

    You frequently mentioned “if you feel volatility is going to increase or decrease in future”. How do one get this feeling? All i know is that you have drawn a linear curve of volatility against time to expiry where the volatility always tends to lower values as the time to expiry approaches.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      The view on the increase/decrease in volatility comes from your expectation of markets. Of course, there are predictive volatility models to figure this as well. Check GARCH (1,1) models for the same.

  144. Arnav says:

    Hi Karthik,

    I was curious as to how did you calculate the profit/loss vs strike graph in 22.3 – Effect of Time section based on time to expiry and expected move %. Can you please explain that? Brilliant tutorials btw!

  145. Arnav says:

    Ah, I see thanks

  146. Saumil Parekh says:

    Hi Karthik, can you please explain the charts of effects of time in a bit more details wrt to theta and vega. I keep getting lost here. And these charts are used widely in option strategies as well. Or can you direct me to some link/video that explains this in detail.

  147. vin says:

    Hi karthik thanks for such wonderful explanations. I would like to know if at the initiation i bought ITP options knowing that they are very low now and can bare the losses and doesnt trade them and wait until expiry and after expiry with the intrinsic value im able to generate profits. My doubt is why would any one loose money in options when at the expiry he would get huge returns. I would buy differnt strike prices which are ITM and wait until expiry so that there are huge gains infact choose the lowest strike rate and wait which bounds to give me highest returns . why do anyone loose money in options then?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      If only it was that simple 🙂
      Markets at the end of the day is an ocean of different opinions, not everyone has the same idea and agenda. Btw, when you buy ITM option, you are paying a price for it which includes a premium on time, which will erode with the passage of time.

  148. Mukesh says:

    We know that one needs to buy a Call Option when he/she expects the underlying asset to move higher. Fair enough, for a moment let us assume that Nifty is expected to go up by a certain percent, given this would you buy a Call option if –

    The volatility is expected to go down while Nifty is expected to go up?
    What would you do if the time to expiry is just 2 days away?
    What would you do if the time to expiry is more than 15 days away?
    Which strike would you choose to trade in the above two cases – OTM, ATM, or ITM and why would you choose the same?

    After studying the option module i get the follwing answers for the above questions please correct me if i am wrong.

    1. As the option premium highly dependent on volatility so if it goes down the premium will go down but since the nifty is expected to rise it will push CE Premium up so the combined effect of both the situations the premium can increase or decrease slightly, or it can remain in a range so i will choose not to buy the CE option.

    2. Since the expiry is only 2 days away the CE option premium will have the least time value, so i would prefer to buy the OTM CE only if volatility is expected to rise in these 2 days otherwise i will avoid trading the option.

    3.since the time to expiry is high, volatility can change, option can expire in the money so i will buy slight ITM options.

    4. The answer is in the point two and three.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      1) No, if Nifty is expected to go up, and vol is expected to cool off, then I’d prefer to write option rather than buy
      2) No, I’d buy only when there is enough time to expiry
      3) I’d buy provided I have a view on both direction and volatility
      4) ATM or slightly OTM

      1) Depends on the combined effect of both the greeks
      2) YOu need to avoid buying option so close to expiry
      3) Yup

  149. Mukesh says:

    Sir for the first point
    1. I can wite put option
    Is my insight correct.

  150. Mukesh says:

    Sir the above chart analyised the 30 days expiry time frame of the future &options
    Sir how can we relate it to the current time frame of weekly expires.

  151. Kiran says:

    Sir,

    1) You have given details of which strikes to BUY (for options) considering time for expiry. Will it holds good for SELL options also ?
    2) I understand that, option greek values are dynamic (i mean, changes continuously throughout the trading period). Then where to get those live values for analysis if we wish to do trading (buy/sell). I heard,some brokers are providing those data. I did’nt find it in Zerodha. Is that info is essential before taking trade?. or general applying of rule regarding theta,delta &volatility will do ?

  152. Chay says:

    Sir,
    Firstly appreciation for such a fantastic subject you have explained. But how can one expect future Volatility? Can you please explain?

  153. Kiran says:

    Sir,
    Please one more doubt.
    When i see option chain today, all the PUT strike prices have increased irrespective of ITM/ATM/OTM compared to yesterday. But for the same strikes for CALL, option prices have decreased compared to yesterday. Of course, IV has increased for both put/call when i checked. i am confused. what logic to apply to understand this pricing of call / put. Also IV for call options are 10% less compared to put options. Pl clarify.

  154. Tejas says:

    Hi Karthik,

    Thank you for great knowledge sharing.

    Can you let me know which chapter covers put call ratio understanding.

    Also above table is reference for option buyer then opposite stays valid for option sellers right?

    For eg on expiry day if option seller wants to write then best strikes are either Ath or Oth.

  155. Anil Gupta says:

    Bajaj Finance
    *.posted good results with an increase in NII and good profit during this time along with the supportive provision
    *.bajaj finance will go up 8-10 % in 5 days
    *.we are in 2nd half of the series
    *.go long on bajaj finance for the target of 10%
    Spot 1978
    Target Expectation 5 days from 19/05/2020
    Best Strikes to Trade 1 strike away from ATM: slightly OTM
    market lot 250
    2100CE 85
    IV 116.49
    As IV is already high options around ATM are sensitive to spot price
    Delta 0.518
    Vega 1.2
    Theta -8.02
    Gamma 0.0011

    do let me know if this is the right way to look at it or should I sell 2100PE and collect 200 premium.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Yup, this is a better way to trade a naked option. Your view on the market direction is the key input here.

  156. Mukesh says:

    @Anil gupta
    How did you got the
    Delta
    Gamma
    Theta vega
    Values

  157. Anil Gupta says:

    thank you so much Karthik. I did take this call.
    1 BUY 2100 CE
    3 Sell 2100 PE
    I did realize that volatility is very high when compared to historical volatility and it will cool off post result.
    Bingo, my sell PE is giving more profits as the volatility is decreasing and prices are increasing. it cooled off from 116 to 76 in a day.

    @mukesh, I got the greeks from B & S calculator is available on zerodha site.

    today Dr. Reddy and Bajaj Auto lets do the maths!!

  158. Anil Gupta says:

    Hello Sir, first thing first, I am really sorry I had been bothering you a lot.

    on 20/5/20 I took a call on Bajaj auto based on the normal distribution method and also results were good I expected it to rally.
    also as the volatility was very high and I expected it to cool off with expectation to buy it later.

    sold 2650PE, volatility was 156 and it did come down to 49 and it worked in my favor. also, delta worked in favor too. ITM to ATM.

    Sold 2650 CE, expected volatility to cool so it did from 45 to 35 ideally it should work in my favor. premium did increase from 36 to 58 . but this is in the loss. I could understand delta is not working in my favor, what could be the other reason??
    I was going short as volatility was high and it will come down. as I am 7 days away I took Slightly OTM. don’t know what went wrong.
    despite making 60k profit to I am curious hope you understand.

    Thanking you is never enough Karthik

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Anil, for delta to work in your favor, you need to have a strong directional view along with the volatility. From your comment, I see that you developed a view on volatility but not the direction.

  159. Anil Gupta says:

    I did expect it to rally but because of high volatility, I was not confident to buy @2650 as the decrease in volatility would have been a loss in premium.

    so though, the delta would have work in favor but vega would take away all my profits.

    I am gaining confidence in developing a view of volatility. But taking a directional call, I mean is too risky.

    Thanking you so much Karthik.

  160. Anil Gupta says:

    Hello,

    why the IV of options increases on or 1 day before expiry. All these options will go worthless on expiry. Here I can sell and keep the premium as it will go worthless but Increased IV will kill away the profit as the premium is increasing. does buying make any sense?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      IV increases if there is a reason for it to go up, else why would it under the normal circumstance?

  161. SANSIP says:

    I JUST WENT THRU THE CONTENTS AND FOUND VERY INFORMATIVE, CAN U NOT GIVE IN PDF DOWNLOADABLE FORMAT TO ZERODHA A/C HOLDERS ? SO THAT ONE CAN READ WITH EASE……
    THANX N
    RGDS

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      PDF is available on the module page, scroll to the end of the page and you will find a link to download the PDF.

  162. Pardeep Kumar says:

    How to select a strike price in both put and call option if I want to square off my position same day. I mean for intraday in case of both nifty and bank nifty. If I am expecting 1 to 2 percent move.

  163. Pardeep kumar says:

    Sir,
    I think you did not understand my question. I am asking that suppose today morning NIFTY is at 9500 and I am expecting that it will gain 2 percent. At what strike price I should buy call option to get maximum return in intraday.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      That still depends on the number of days to expiry. If more time to expiry, OTM works, else stick to ATM.

  164. Chandradeep Kumar says:

    Hi Sir, I have checked the website of NSE and instead of three options contracts i.e near, mid and last month. There are numerous contracts, nearest is only one week away from expiry and the farthest one extends to 2023. Please explain what’s happening here?
    Also , does the above charts are valid for all those contracts or not, if yes then how should we divide the time to expiry in parts like we have done for monthly contracts.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      There are weekly options too, these were introduced after the chapter was written. But nothing really changes here for weekly options.

  165. ANKIT says:

    hi karthik .
    in this chapter u told which strike to choose for option buyer .
    if someone is option seller how he choses the strike .

  166. Shanmukh Sripada says:

    Hi Karthik! I have a very fundamental doubt regarding Futures and Options.
    When I can place a stop-loss to limit my losses in Futures, (similar to how I know my maximum loss to be the premium I pay when buying an option) how does an option contract differ from futures? What advantages does an option contract have over a Futures contract?

  167. Shanmukh Sripada says:

    Thank you for your response Karthik. I am aware of stop-loss orders; my question is that why would one buy options when one can buy Futures with stop loss to limit their losses? Say I have a moderately bullish outlook, I can buy a call option, or buy a futures contract (and add a stop loss since I am only moderately bullish). When would one choose to buy the call option instead of the futures contract in this case? I hope my question is clear.
    Thanks!

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      There could be multiple reasons –

      1) Margins for naked futures is quite high, but for an option spread its just a fraction
      2) The premium can be really attractive making options an attractive choice
      3) ROI is better
      4) Leverage is better in option
      5) You are covered for overnight risk in case of options

      Hence traders prefer options over futures. But yes, I do get you point. If I’m bullish, I can but futures and be done with it. Technically that serves the purpose 🙂

  168. Shanmukh Sripada says:

    Thank you so much!

  169. Sudarshan says:

    Hello Sir,
    In the P&L vs Strike price graph I did not understood why we were making losses.
    For example I bought 5200 CE (Current spot price=5000, 1 lot) in the first half of the series if the target is achieved within 25 days then I would still be making profit right? Could you explain with some example?
    If you could tell me how P&L % is calculated here then it could be more clear.
    Is the P&L based on the change in premium or is it after the expiry?
    Thank You

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Its hard to calculate the P&L for profitable strikes before the expiry. I guess you can use https://sensibull.com/index.html for this to get an estimates P&L before expiry. After the expiry, the P&L is fairly straightforward, depends on the intrinsic value of the option.

  170. Sudarshan says:

    Hello Sir,
    Thanks for the above reply but I still did not understand why we are facing losses before the expiry.
    I mean the graphs are plotted for different days to achieve the target, based on that we cannot conclude P&L right? We will have to wait till the expiry date and based on the intrinsic value we will calculate P&L.
    Are we making assumptions that if the target is achieved in 5 days then our spot price on the expiry date will be more than our strike price(if we bought call options)?
    Thank You

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Sudarshan, thats because the premium gets traded actively. Hence the function is the premium results in a P&L. The graphs are indicative of the likely reaction of the premium for a given price move. Hope this helps, let me know if this is not clear. Will be happy to help.

  171. Sudarshan says:

    Understood.
    Thank you very much!

  172. Roshan says:

    Hello sir,
    I have a basic question.You concluded that
    Conclusion – When we are in the 1st half of the expiry series, and you expect the target to be achieved quickly (say over few days) buy OTM options. In fact I would suggest you buy 2 or 3 strikes away from ATM and not beyond that.
    My question is,”How is OTM strike more profitable than ATM or ITM strike? Since Delta value is less for OTM whereas for ITM the Delta value is already 1 and may remain around 1 because if the spot price increases say by 4%,the ITM is going to stay ITM(deep itm)?”

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      The chances of OTM going 100% up is higher compared to ITM or ATM. Hence your ROI is better with OTM in this situation. But you need to time this well, else this may not work out well.

  173. Roshan says:

    Sorry,I still don’t understand.Can you please exemplify how the chances of OTM going 100% up is higher than ATM or ITM.

  174. Roshan says:

    Yes,got it.Thanks a lot.

  175. Roshan says:

    Hello sir,
    I got another doubt as I read further.You said,
    The market may move 4% but if this move is spread across 15 days, then it does not make sense holding far OTM options. However, far OTM options make money when the movement in the market is swift – for example a 4% move within 1 or say 2 days. This is when far OTM options moves smartly.

    My question is how it affects if the target is achieved in 15 days?However the target is achieved and the proportional rise in premium will be there right?

    I guess Theta may reduce the profitability but not bring loss when market moves up by 4% in first 15 days.Please correct me if this statement is wrong.Also please tell me the extent of theta’s impact in last 15 days before expiry.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Roshan, options is a function of all greeks acting simultaneously. While the delta moves (direction), your option loses time value over 15 days which offsets the P&L. The extent of theta decay is given by the theta value. For example, if theta is 2, then all else equal premium will decay by 2 on a day to day basis.

  176. Roshan says:

    Oh,I was thinking uni dimensionally.Now I have understood.Thank you once again!

  177. Shrey says:

    Hey Karthik! Awesome man.
    I want to know how should we select strike price for a call/put in a weekly expiry, as all the above discussion is with regards to monthly expiry. As most people do options in Nifty Weekly expiry .
    Happy to learn your insight for a weekly expiry.
    Can we generalize the best practices for buying options as you have done in monthly expiry with regard to achievement of target price from X no. of days from initiation ?

    Hope you get my Query , Waiting for you response.
    Thank You

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      The same principles apply to the weekly options, just that the timelines shrink. For example, the first 2 days is considered early in the series, 3rd day as mid-series, and the remaining days as close to expiry.

  178. Jeevan says:

    Very precise n practical information sir …how to go about for weekly option regarding selection of strike price according to day days remaining for expiry

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      The same principles apply to the weekly options, just that the timelines shrink. For example, the first 2 days is considered early in the series, 3rd day as mid-series, and the remaining days as close to expiry.

  179. saravana ub says:

    Sir,
    If i’m trading intraday in nifty by buying options. is it best to stick to ATM option?
    irrespective of time to expiry and volatility.

  180. rajat pahuja says:

    hello sir,
    All the information int his chapter you provided are crystal clear to me to know what to buy and when.
    but one thing I want to know that at what rate we should buy our targeted premium ( I might be messed up with the previous chapters information to came to the answer for this problem )

  181. Deepak Gupta says:

    Hello Karthik,

    Thanks a lot for all the information which seems to be explained in best ways for such a complex subject.
    Could you please explain how the profit loss versus strike price graph is plotted depending on the time for expiry? Tried but not able to understand
    Regard
    Deepak

  182. Deepak Gupta says:

    Hi Karthik,
    Thanks for the quick response.
    For example if you take the first graph for 5 days to expire how the pnl is calculated for each of the different strike price?

  183. Deepak Gupta says:

    Hello Karthik,
    Dint understand. Though it is just an indicative pnl,would like to understand how the chart is plotted..which program you are talking about here?
    Sorry to bother you on weekends

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      The program was just a B&S version on ‘R’ package. But then you have sensibull in which you can do the same.

  184. Soumitra Chaudhuri says:

    Karthik Sir, How to use the same table to understand the strategy to be adopted in case of SELLING CALL or PUT. Pl advise. Many thanks for your enriching write ups. regards

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      The decision to sell or buy the option depends on the volatility and the premium associated with it. Of course, you also need to look at the time to expiry as well. CLoser to expiry, avoid buying options either calls or puts.

  185. Bipin says:

    Hey Kartik,
    This is an awesome article. But it would be great if you could also explain the right strike to short for call/put.

    Thank for all your effort.

  186. Mohan says:

    Hi Karthik, thanks for the wonderful chapter,

    After reading the chapter about adding delta value.
    I thought instead paying high premium for deep ITM with Δ=1, I can buy more OTM contract which can add up to same Δ and with comparably less premium.
    And with enough confidence I’d bought 10 lots of put option for a scrip. 🥴 Hopefully I’d cover them up without any loss.

  187. mano says:

    hir sir, In one of the above comment you said “You are covered for overnight risk in case of options”, can you explain it.

    Thanks,

  188. Vaishakh says:

    Another great chapter, indeed :). But i have couple of queries.
    1) Don’t you think it is really hard to know when the target will be achieved (in time wise). That is, through Technical Analysis we may have identified Directional view in future, but when the market will arrive at that price, nobody knows, so in that context choosing Right strike becomes difficult.
    2) Keeping in mind the above point, should I be using 1 week chart or 1 month chart for Analysis instead of daily chart ?

    Thank you in advance.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      1) You are right, no one can time the markets. However, in most cases, if you stick to ATM or strikes around ATM, you should be covered
      2) I think EOD charts are just fine.

  189. Ganesh Patel says:

    Hi Sir,
    It was a mind-blowing chapter. It’s best that you decided to reintroduce the call and put options. My thought process is total upside down from Chapters 1 to 22.
    Sir, where can I find a similar graph for the “effect of time” on shorting calls and put options?

    Loving Varsity
    Thanks
    -Ganesh

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Happy to note that, Ganesh! The effect of time on options premium is captured by an Option Greek called, ‘Theta’. You need to study the ‘Theta Decay’ to understand this better. Explained here – https://zerodha.com/varsity/chapter/theta/ , however, I’d suggest you go in the same order of chapters as we have listed, do not jump chapters 🙂

      Good luck and happy learning 🙂

  190. Ganesh Patel says:

    Sir,
    many thanks for caring nature.
    I have read it in sequential order. I was asking about the graphs for the Shorting call and put as well similar in section “22.3 – Effect of Time”.

    Thanks

  191. Ganesh Patel says:

    Sir,
    What is the best strike to buy for intraday? especially in nowadays situations having the US election, China border conflict, the COVID Vaccine, and an increasing number of patience and banks seem weaker.

    in short during the unpredictable direction of the market and volatile market?

    Thanks

  192. Aditya jhajharia says:

    Hello sir,thanks for the great content.
    i have a doubt in this chapter.
    I am not able to understand that in the first bar chart top left(5 days left for expiry) how can we make money if we buy call option with 5500 as strike price.
    as we were having target of 5200 and if we hit the target still we will make a loss because we bought the the strike of 5500 call option as the intrinsic value would become 0 and the premium would be lost. can you please elaborate on this.
    thanks.

  193. Ganesh Patel says:

    Sir,

    What is the best strick to sell options :
    1. for intraday on expiry day.
    2. for intraday at the start of the month or week(bank nifty and nifty).

    Thank you for actively helping the newbies.
    Thanks
    -Ganesh

  194. Ankit Sharma says:

    Does the call/put value when the target is achieved takes into account the GREEKS adjustments or is the value intrinsic?

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      The option is a complicated instrument, all these factors move in tandem. Its a combination greeks and IV that matters, Ankit.

  195. Hetang Gohel says:

    The reason we are going for ITM or ATM when there are over 15 days left for the price to hit our target is on one side the theta is eating our premium because of time decay and on the other side, the low delta value of OTM won’t help the premium to increase much! right?

  196. Trace says:

    Hello sir,

    I am a little bit confused with this chapter.

    For example, if currently Nifty is 12000 and I am expecting it to go to 12500 before expiry (in 28 days) it would make more sense to buy a 12400/12450 CE than buy a 11900 CE right? I don’t understand why you would say it is better to buy an ITM for such a case?

    Let say I am bullish about nifty for the next 3 months and expect it go to 13500 from 12000. Would I buy an ITM CE (11900) with an expiry 3 months from now or an OTM CE (13200) with an expiry 3 months from now?

    Keep up the good work.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Trace, the question is by when do you expect it to go to 12500? The strike selection is also dependent on the speed at which the underlying is expected to move. If the move happens slowly over the next 28 days, then you are better off with an ITM strike. On the other hand, if the move is swift, in say 5 days, then yes, it makes sense to buy 12400CE.

  197. Trace says:

    Hi Karthik,

    Lets say I purchase an OTM and expect to hold it till expiry.
    Wouldn’t the theta decay get set off by the delta acceleration as the option moves from OTM to ITM??

    How bad is the theta decay that you suggest I should purchase a more expensive ITM than an OTM even if my spot price is reaches upto my strike price.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Yes, it will offset provided the stock rallies significantly. Theta decay is high for OTM and slightly less for other options, but it does exist for all options.

  198. Trace says:

    Hi Karthik,

    Thanks for the quick reply.

    Do you have a graph showing the difference between theta decay for ITM,ATM and OTM from start to expiry?

  199. Trace says:

    Dear Karthik,

    Would consider making such a thing? It would be like a cherry to a cake to your explanations of Vega and volatility.

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      I will, but this will take some time. I’m currently fully involved in developing the Personal finance module 🙂

  200. vinay says:

    i need help once more sir , it is related to the payoff graphs , please explain to me sir why are we losing money with the otm options when trade falls into place after 15 days or 30 days( just before expiry ) as compared to the scenario in which we achieve traget within 5 days .
    is it because when we take trade in the beginning of the first half of the series , the premium is high and price does move in our favour in small increments but it moves slowly and because of that the profit that you gain daily is less than the daily loss due to extrinsic value (time decay ). please clarify sir .

    • Karthik Rangappa says:

      Vinay, this is because of the loss in time value. Remember, as and when we approach time to expiry, the value of the option keeps dropping. The thing with options greeks is that the greeks work as a pack on a continuous basis, while some greeks pull the premium up, some push the premium down. The premium eventually moves based that one greek which dominates.

  201. vinay says:

    okay now it’s crystal clear to me , thank you one again

  202. Sagar says:

    Thanks Karthik,

    Could you kindly elaborate the for option buying table in terms of weekly expiry.
    Also in weekly expiry do we need to apply same table with using upcoming / next week expiry strikes..

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