# 21. Greek Calculator

## 21.1 – Background

So far in this module we have discussed all the important Option Greeks and their applications. It is now time to understand how to calculate these Greeks using the Black & Scholes (BS) Options pricing calculator. The BS options pricing calculator is based on the Black and Scholes options pricing model, which was first published by Fisher Black and Myron Scholes (hence the name Black & Scholes) in 1973, however Robert C Merton developed the model and brought in a full mathematical understanding to the pricing formula.

This particular pricing model is highly revered in the financial market, so much so that both Robert C Merton and Myron Scholes received the 1997 Noble Prize for Economic Sciences. The B&S options pricing model involves mathematical concepts such as partial differential equations, normal distribution, stochastic processes etc. The objective in this module is not to take you through the math in B&S model; in fact you could look at this video from Khan Academy for the same –

My objective is to take you through the practical application of the Black & Scholes options pricing formula.

## 21.2 – Overview of the model

Think of the BS calculator as a black box, which takes in a bunch of inputs and gives out a bunch of outputs. The inputs required are mostly market data of the options contract and the outputs are the Option Greeks.

The framework for the pricing model works like this:

1. We input the model with Spot price, Strike price, Interest rate, Implied volatility, Dividend, and Number of days to expiry
2. The pricing model churns out the required mathematical calculation and gives out a bunch of outputs
3. The output includes all the Option Greeks and the theoretical price of the call and put option for the strike selected

The illustration below gives the schema of a typical options calculator:

On the input side:

Spot price – This is the spot price at which the underlying is trading. Note we can even replace the spot price with the futures price. We use the futures price when the option contract is based on futures as its underlying. Usually the commodity and in some cases the currency options are based on futures. For equity option contacts always use the spot price.

Interest Rate – This is risk free rate prevailing in the economy. Use the RBI 91 day Treasury bill rate for this purpose. You can get the rate from the RBI website, RBI has made it available on their landing page, as highlighted below.

As of September 2015 the prevailing rate is 7.4769% per annum.

Dividend – This is the dividend per share expected in the stock, provided the stock goes ex dividend within the expiry period. For example, assume today is 11th September and you wish to calculate the Option Greeks for the ICICI Bank option contract. Assume ICICI Bank is going ex dividend on 18th Sept with a dividend of Rs.4. The expiry for the September series is 24th September 2015, hence the dividend would be Rs.4. in this case.

Number of days to expiry – This the number of calendar days left to expiry

Volatility – This is where you need to enter the option’s implied volatility. You can always look at the option chain provided by NSE to extract the implied volatility data. For example, here is the snap shot of ICICI Bank’s 280 CE, and as we can see, the IV for this contract is 43.55%.

Let us use this information to calculate the option Greeks for ICICI 280 CE.

• Spot Price = 272.7
• Interest Rate = 7.4769%
• Dividend = 0
• Number of days to expiry = 1 (today is 23rd September, and expiry is on 24th September)
• Volatility = 43.55%

Once we have this information, we need to feed this into a standard Black & Scholes Options calculator. We do have this calculator on our website – https://zerodha.com/tools/black-scholes , you can use the same to calculate the Greeks.

Once you enter the relevant data in the calculator and click on ‘calculate’, the calculator displays the Option Greeks –

On the output side, notice the following –

• The premium of 280 CE and 280 PE is calculated. This is the theoretical option price as per the B&S options calculator. Ideally this should match with the current option price in the market
• Below the premium values, all the Options Greeks are listed.

I’m assuming that by now you are fairly familiar with what each of the Greeks convey, and the application of the same.

One last note on option calculators – the option calculator is mainly used to calculate the Option Greeks and the theoretical option price. Sometimes small difference arises owing to variations in input assumptions. Hence for this reason, it is good to have room for the inevitable modeling errors. However by and large, the option calculator is fairly accurate.

## 21.3 – Put Call Parity

While we are discussing the topic on Option pricing, it perhaps makes sense to discuss  ‘Put Call Parity’ (PCP). PCP is a simple mathematical equation which states –

Put Value + Spot Price = Present value of strike (invested to maturity) + Call Value.

The equation above holds true assuming –

1. Both the Put and Call are ATM options
2. The options are European
3. They both expire at the same time
4. The options are held till expiry

For people who are not familiar with the concept of Present value, I would suggest you read through this – http://zerodha.com/varsity/chapter/dcf-primer/ (section 14.3).

Assuming you are familiar with the concept of Present value, we can restate the above equation as –

P + S = Ke(-rt) + C

Where, Ke(-rt) represents the present value of strike, with K being the strike itself. In mathematical terms, strike K is getting discounted continuously at rate of ‘r’ over time‘t’

Also, do realize if you hold the present value of the strike and hold the same to maturity, you will get the value of strike itself, hence the above can be further restated as –

Put Option + Spot Price = Strike + Call options

• Trader A holds ATM Put option and 1 share of the underlying stock (left hand side of PCP equation)
• Trader B holds a Call option and cash amount equivalent to the strike (right hand side of PCP equation)

This being the case, as per the PCP the amount of money both traders make (assuming they hold till expiry) should be the same. Let us put some numbers to evaluate the equation –

Underlying = Infosys
Strike = 1200
Spot = 1200

Trader A holds = 1200 PE + 1 share of Infy at 1200
Trader B holds = 1200 CE + Cash equivalent to strike i.e 1200

Assume upon expiry Infosys expires at 1100, what do you think happens?

Trader A’s Put option becomes profitable and he makes Rs.100 however he loses 100 on the stock that he holds, hence his net pay off is 100 + 1100 = 1200.

Trader B’s Call option becomes worthless, hence the option’s value goes to 0, however he has cash equivalent to 1200, hence his account value is 0 + 1200 = 1200.

Let’s take another example, assume Infy hits 1350 upon expiry, lets see what happens to the accounts of both the trader’s.

Trader A = Put goes to zero, stock goes to 1350/-
Trader B = Call value goes to 150 + 1200 in cash = 1350/-

So clearly, irrespective of where the stock expires, the equations hold true, meaning both trader A and trader B end up making the same amount of money.

All good, but how would you use the PCP to develop a trading strategy? Well, for that you will have to wait for the next module which is dedicated to “Option Strategies” J. Before we start the next module on Option Strategies, we have 2 more chapters to go in this module.

### Key takeaways from this chapter

1. The options calculator is based on the Black & Scholes model
2. The Black & Scholes model is used to estimate the option’s theoretical price along with the option’s Greek
3. The interest rate in the B&S calculator refers to the risk free rate as available on the RBI site
4. The implied volatility can be fetched from the option chain from the NSE website
5. The put call parity states that the payoff from a put option plus the spot equals the payoff from call option plus the strike.

1. Shanmukha says:

When can we expect Option Strategies Module..?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Very soon, another 2 chapters in the current module and we move to Options Strategies.

2. NARSIMHA says:

sir,what happens to overnight futures position in case of stock split like adani ent,idfc today

3. Ajay says:

I notice that the delta of 280 PE is -0.873. But, only deep ITM have such high deltas, right?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Where did you get this value from Ajay?. Delta should be less than -0.5.

• Ajay says:

Think i got my answer. By the way, eagerly waiting for the next chapter. 🙂

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Next chapter (22) will be uploaded next week Ajay.

4. narsimha says:

sir,why should we use calender days in calculating theoratical option value,when trading days excluded whats use,enlighten me

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Well, the number of days is treated on something called as the ‘day count convention’…NSE adopts a day count convention called as ‘actual by actual’ according to which you need to take 365 days.

5. S gopalkrishna says:

Hi In the black scholes option calculator the input for IV is one but the theoretical prices for both put and call are computed based on that one IV INPUT Whereas in reality the IV puts and call for the same strike differ, so using which IV can be better? Can we use the VIX % instead?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Vix is a good approximation for Nifty. For stock specific IV check the stock’s option chain for IV.

6. Sunil Tyagi says:

As per Khan Academy video the Implied Volatility (IV) is not an input to Black-Scholes (BS) formula. The input to BS formula is standard deviation of log returns. In fact the IV is calculated by applying BS formula in reverse, see the link to khan academy video that explains how IV is calculated:

I believe the BS formula if fed with standard deviation of log returns would give provide (predict) option price which may differ slightly form the actual price that is settled in market.

7. Prashant Warrier says:

Hello Karthik,

We have learned so far that when you buy ATM options , delta is in the region of 0.5-0.6 and as the trade goes in favor , delta increases and therefore for every 1/- move on the stock/index, we get higher (>0.6 ) move on the option…………I want to understand the opposite side…..
When i buy ATM options and the positions go against me on the same day, i am assuming that delta will reduce and i will lose less than 0.5 or 0.6 pts in relation to a 1 pt move against me…..Let me explain with an example….Suppose i go long on 7900 CE when nifty breaks through 7940 and then i decide to keep a 40 pt stop loss. I expect to lose around 20 pts (give and take a couple of points) in options if my SL is trigerred. However my observation is that often i lose close to 40 pts in options as well. What can i attribute this loss to? Most times, SL gets triggered on the same day, so time value impact is minimal…..I am guessing vega plays a role but at all times???? What could i be missing?

Regards,
Prashant

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Prashanth – When underlying moves by one point, the premium is expected to move to the extent of delta. So if the delta is 0.6, then for every one point move in the underlying, premium is expected to move by 0.6 points.

I’m elaborating your case here – You buy 7900CE (ATM), premium is 180/-, Delta is 0.5. Spot moves to 7940, 40 points increase..so new premium will be old premium plus delta times movement in the underlying. Hence new premium is 180 + (0.5*40) = 200. However now that spot is at 7940 (slightly ITM) delta is 0.6 (approximate value). While you have a 40 point SL on underlying the premium will react a bit differently. So if market falls by 40 from 7940, then you will lose 40*0.6 = 24 points. So…that would take the new premium to 200 – 24 = 176 points.

Besides, as you mentioned, Vega has a massive impact on options premiums.

• Mangesh says:

Hello sir means if we play at at the money and if we achieve our target then it’s good to exit because you will move with Delta 0.5…But if it again fall down then Delta will be 0.6 then then you will loose more money…
Also I have observed that in bank nifty expiry the value s of CE and PE reach to almost 0.05 ..So if I will put sale order in both cases .So will it work.only in this case zerodha is asking around 50k margin to take one lot…As per observation Almost In the money and at money contract becomes zero on expiry ..So if put sale order in both cases by adding margin to my account..So will this startegy work..

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I should Mangesh. I’d suggest you paper trade this for a few weeks before actually implementing this.

8. keshav says:

Next chapter pls..

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Next week.

9. keshav says:

Nowadays U r taking too much of time (abt 15days),pls reduce the time at least to 1week..

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Keshav – you dont want me to write rubbish right? So please give me the time, I will make sure the content is worth your patience 🙂

10. pratheesh says:

Dear karthik,
i think some small typos in 2 places one in icici option input eg.& prashanth nairs Q&A
icici option price calculation interest rate typed as 4769% inteaad of 7.4769%•
prasanths case,
regarding premium calculation 180 + (0.5*40) =220,this is not 220,but 200 and calculation is right 220 – 24 = 196,but as per eg.we should subtracct from 200-20=180.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Ah, thanks for pointing this, will look into it.

11. K l agarwal says:

Karthik, good efforts thanks, i hope you are well aware the greek calculatore, in
ODIN Diet, when you select paricular stock or strike and click CTRL + pg up, a window pop up with BS calculatore, which have all input information as default ,you just click on calculate and will get all output, hope you also can do that.

12. Prashant says:

When you will post “Option strategy” in Varsity? any specific timeline?

Very good explanation in a simple way. In MBA i studied Derivatives during my higher education, but it was all theoretical and also difficult to implement in real world. This explnation was really help. But i have some doubts.
https://zerodha.com/tools/black-scholes in this page you are telling to calculate historical volatility to calculate option price, where as in this web page http://zerodha.com/varsity/chapter/greek-calculator/ you are telling to calculate option price using implied volatility. Could you pls explain

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I’m glad you liked the explanation 🙂

The historical volatility is a simple “Quick & Dirty” approximation.

14. Sandeep says:

For Nifty options,what can be the dividend.

15. vasanth says:

For Nifty Premium calculation In BS options, in the Spot (underlying) option whether nifty index value or current month future value to be entered?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Spot is fine.

16. Sandeep says:

Does the theta derived in BS clculator denotes the decay of premium per day .Is it so.The varsity article doesn’t mention that.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, theta is the decay in premium value attributable to passage of time, provided all else is equal. Let me check this again on Varsity. Thanks.

17. bpsingh says:

Which module covered Rho ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Not covered Rho, as Rho indicates the change in premium wrt to change in interest rate. Interest rate does not change that often, hence decided to skip this Greek.

18. mayur says:

Sir,
Can i get Balck schole option formula in excel spread sheet so as its is convenient to home work on it

Regards,
Mayur

• Karthik Rangappa says:
19. Satish srinivasan says:

Hello sir,
I am satish srinivasan and I am trading in my sister’s account.Till date I haven’t succeeded in trading and I haven’t asked anybody’s help I don’t know who is the technical person who is supporting traders at zerodha my personal wishes to him.I hope if you lend your hand to me it will be very useful. I hope a conversation with a wise man around a table is as good as reading thousand many books.
Dear sir,
If you are reading this, I think I am close to you.If I could able to come this far, I think I can come little further.I will keep an eye out for you. I will be hoping that this letter finds you.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Satish – not sure with whom you need to speak. We will be more than happy to respond to queries posted here, so please do not hesitate asking questions here.

20. Rajesh Singh says:

What’s Rho?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Rho is the rate of change of premium with respect to change in interest rate.

21. sarath says:

sir, i just calculated option Greeks of usd inr and current call option premium is 0.2700 but in option calculator show option premium is 0.1600 is it ok or is there any mistake ? and also in theta put option have no theta please explain !!!

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Well the option calculator gives you the theoretical option price of an asset based on the factors playing out in the market. It is not necessary that it should match the current market price.

Not sure about the Theta, will check and get back. Thanks.

• SARATH says:

sir,
in volatility box actually which volatility have to enter, call option iv or put option iv? please explain

• Karthik Rangappa says:

In fact you can use ViX values (for Nifty) for both Calls & Puts.

22. r v n sastry says:

Dear Sir,
Regarding using of vix values for both call and put, I would like to seek your clarification that can I use the same vix volatality ie suppose today which is showing 17.35 at that particular moment of entering into a strategy for both call and put same vix. thanks and regards. r v n sastry

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, you can use the same ViX values to get the approximate Greek values.

23. Prashanth says:

What is options smile

24. rohan says:

1. In RBI site 91 day T bill is blank, what does it implies?

2. where to find wipro is going to give in feb month or not, to enter dividend on B&S calsulator?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

You need to enter in a value – the interest rate of the T bill. This is available on the RBI website.

Dividend info is available as and when its made available.

25. rohan says:

T bill value is empty in rbi website I have encircled that

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Oh, in that case you can take the 180 day bill rates.

26. rohan says:

tatamotors
spot-340
strike-360, contract expiry- 25 feb
actual premium obtained from nse website or 360CE-7.70
I have attached the snapshot of values got by B&S calculator
Delta-.357,Gamma-.0089
Now suppose spot moves by +25 points and new spot is 365.
so the below calculations-
new premium- 7.70 + 25*(.357) = 16.63
new delta- .357 + 25*(.0089) = .579

My question is delta is constantly changing with change in underlying(stock), so from what point onwards premium should be calculated with new delta and not the old one? Means if calculate premium with delta .357 different value of premium will come, and if I stop in between and calculate premium after increase of 10 points( of stock) then new delta value will come and premium corresponding to this will be different

• Karthik Rangappa says:

This is a tricky problem Rohan. In reality the Delta is a continuously evolving variable and it does not stop to change till expiry. For all practical purposes, its best if you define your timeframe and evaluate the deltas at that period.

27. rohan says:

If I enter values in B&S calculator it gives values of delta,gamma etc for both call and put options for given spot ( 1200) and strike (1220).
But if IV of call and put option is different than what should be entered in calculator? I have encircled different IV’s for same strike

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I assume you are talking about the B&S calculator on Zerodha. We’ve put up a very basic version of the calculator. You need to be aware of which option you are calculating for and enter the relevant IV.

28. SARATH says:

sir,
i enter all data for getting option greek for USDINR 68.75 CE . 25 FEB EXPIRY. AND I GOT THE OUTPUT BUT I THING IT IS NOT CORRECT DATA BECAUSE IT SHOWING GAMMA OF : 1.6398 PLEASE FIND THE SCREENSHOT AND PLEASE EXPLAIN .,

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Thanks for posting this, Gamma of an ATM option invariably shoots up as we approach expiry. However I think this gamma value is extremely high. Let me dig in deeper and get back to you as soon as I can. Thanks.

• SARATH says:

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Sure, thanks.

29. SARATH says:

today (25.02.2016) i look the nifty option chain but i cant see any strikes IV , In IV column showing blank, please find the screenshot and please explain

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Not sure why, you will have to speak to NSE for this.

• shashidhar says:

how to find Intrest and volatility parameter values on dialy basis, is there a way to get/find them, answer to this will be much appreciated

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Interest rates don’t change daily, so that should not worry you much. For stock specific volatility information I’m not sure where we will find it…maybe you will have to calculate it yourself. From my experience, knowing the rough volatility figure is good enough, unless you are dealing with some volatility sensitive trades. For Nifty, I’d suggest you check ViX, that will give you an approximation.

30. Nithin kumar says:

Hi sir by using block and scholes calculator for nifty vix i have give as input for volatility % , but if i do same thing giving vix as input to volatility % in case of bank nifty theoretical values are far different from actual price , here what should we given as input to volatility in case of bank nifty .thanks in advance

31. Raj says:

Hey, Karthik.
1.How does RBI interest rate effect options? Can you share some details on it?
2.How to find dividend for stock rather than Index as you have posted in earlier reply.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

The effect of interest rates are captured by a Greek called Rho, I skipped discussing this as Interest Rates dont change frequently. In general interest rate and options premium have an inverse relationship.

You will have to keep track of corporate events for info on dividends, bonus, splits etc.

• raj says:

Can you refer any site where I can track of corporate events for dividends, bonus, splits etc of each stock in NSE/BSE? I have searched in many but didn’t get any appropriate result.
Thank you

32. Sai Sreedhar says:

In the NSE option chain, the Interest rate considered is 10% (Note at the bottom).
Why is it different from RBI [91 day T Bill] Interest Rate?
Isn’t it appropriate to consider the interest rate mentioned in NSE, because that is the basis we pay as premium ultimately while trade?

Also do we have to separately calculate the Daily Volatility, although it is mentioned in NSE Quote Page? Can we take the same value while calculating the premium (for Options) or stop-loss (for Futures) – I understand that knowing how to calculate is a better to understand the concept as covered in Chapter 7.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Ah! I never noticed the interest rate bit in the option chain. Thanks for pointing that out. Not sure why NSE assumes 10%, it does not make sense to me. Also, there is no harm taking the values from NSE…although its good to know how to crunch the number!

• Sai Sreedhar says:

Well, Thanks to you for such wonderful modules and in-depth explanation!

I tried to calculate the premium and Greeks based on the description in the module, using Zerodha Black & Scholes Options calculator, but it was not matching the NSE option chain. When we put the values of Interest rate and volatility as per NSE website, the figures mostly match.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, we have taken the interest rates as per the t-bill rates.

33. Srinivas says:

Dear Karthik,
When we put all data in Black & Scholes calculator we get the present premium of the stock/index. But how to calculate the future premiums. For example; shorting Nifty 8800 CE at 62/-. If Nifty rises to 9000 what will be the premium. How to calculate.
Thanks

• Karthik Rangappa says:

You can do that using the Delta, this will give you an approximate value.

34. Srinivas says:

While going thro NSE website to read volatality of Bata, nothing is mentioned in the column. In that case what fig. need to be put in Black Scholes formula.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, if you are referring to the Implied volatility. If you are talking about historical volatility, I’d suggest you use the the ‘=STDEV’ function in excel.

35. Rakesh.K says:

Karthik, firstly thankyou for the great explanation. and i have a small doubt, in the above video there is only B&S call option formula THEN what is the formula for B&S put option ?
Thanks&Regards

• Karthik Rangappa says:

The calculation for Put option is quite similar Rakesh.

36. Rakesh.K says:

Karthik, Im very confused about IV and vega
actually my doubt is , in the B&S formula should i input IV which is shown in options chain(IS THAT IMPLIED VOLATILITY NOT VEGA )?
how is that IV calculated for different strikes? is it same as theSD calculation?
Thanks&Regards

37. Rakesh.K says:

Hi Karthik, can we calculate the IV of a specific strike through using the LTP’s (premiums) of past 1year of that strike and can we find out SD or IV of that particular strike ?(yes or no). correct me if im wrong.
Thanks&Regards

• Karthik Rangappa says:

IV is more like the volatility at this moment…its kind of forward looking. Moment we look at volatility we are referring the the ‘realized/historical’ volatility.

38. SantoshShetti says:

Hi Karthik, Is there any link on Zerodha where we can find options strategies based on our view on market, acceptable P/L range, etc like it is provided in following link:
I think it is good, may be little improvisation possible, considering Greeks as well.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Nothing as of now Santosh…but don’t be surprised if we have something like this soon 🙂

39. SantoshShetti says:

Thanks Karthik, I am sure you guys will definitely come up with something better than that. All the best. 🙂

• Karthik Rangappa says:

🙂

40. Ravi says:

Hi Karthik,
Great Explaination !!!! thanks alot.
I have following queries
1) from where do i get the value of ViX
2) When i calculate Option Pricing using BS Calculator with IV of Call option with 10% interest rate and IV Put option with 10% interest rate (different IV for Call and Put from NSE option Chain with 10% interest rate) then Greek values of BS calculator matches with NSE Option chain. But when you put 91 day Tbill interest rate then values doesn’t matches. Why do so?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

1) India ViX values are available on NSE, please do take a look at their website.

2) That’s because NSE considers 10% interest rate values.

41. Ravi says:

Hi Karthik,

I have gone through this module….you have done wonderful job ……
As i am newbee to options ….Pls correct me if i am wrong .After reading all the chapters what i have concluded is the options trading requires all Greek consideration as well as view on the broader market(if trading on the Nifty)/underlying assset. isn’t it?

Every chapter is specific to individual greeek and very much clear. When it comes to trading , i couldn’t able implement.
Can you list down the mechanical rules while trading options. Ex : If i want to trade only on Nifty index then how to start building trade plan.
Thank you !!!!

42. AVINASH KUMAR says:

Hello Sir, After reading all related chapter of option,Its really wonderful.Thanks alot for ur effort
Doubt: After doing technical analysis,I put the stop loss according to the my spot price .i.e i calculate the stoploss price and see the delta value…and according to that i m trying to use it but failed to do successfully because i am not able to correctly estimate the the combination all the Greek at once.there is any calculator for intraday or positional position to solve my problem..I tried black and scholes calculator and not able to understand how to calculate the target/stopploss using greek value.Please guide me sir…Thanks in advance.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Avinash – If you wish to identify SL price, I’d suggest you stick only to technical analysis. As far my experience goes, apart from vega, no other greeks helps you identify sl/entry prices.

43. Ananth S H says:

Dear Karthik
I have a question on period or duration of Implied Volatility. When we calculate historical volatility, we calculate it for a particular period like – daily or annual or 30 days etc.
Does Implied Volatility refer to any particular forward period ? For example, If Implied volatility of Bank Nifty Call Option 24 Nov 2016 is 24% , does it mean market is expecting a volatility of 24% in the index value of for the next year or only till option expiry date ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, it does. If the IV is 24%, then its the market’s volatility expectation (at this very moment) for the next 1 year forward.

44. Om Sehgal says:

Hi Karthik,
I was trying to use the option calculator and stumbled upon this strange thing on NSE website while looking at different nifty strikes for Jan 2017. This 8250 PE for Jan series shows a net change of +118 points and 7750 PE shows +44 points but for almost all other strikes the net change was in negative. can you help me understand?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

This must be the option chain 🙂

Different strikes behave differently for the same movement in the underlying. The option chain summarizes these changes along with other changes. Understanding option chain requires you to have some background in options. I’d suggest you start from chapter 1.

45. Surya says:

Thanks Karthik, your teachings changed our approach to the trades with conviction.
I have a query,
30-Jan,idea cellular,call 95CE SPOT WAS AT 78,IV:45,delta 0.05,gamma:0.012(as per zerodha option calc) now spot has moved by 20 points to 98,delta is supposed to be 0.6 to 1.but manual calc of new delta shows 0.29 or 0.3. (0.05+0.012*20)Why is that? Am I missing something

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, since the spot is at 98, 95CE is ITM and the delta is likely to be 0.7 or higher. Not sure why the calculator is not reflecting this value. Can you please check again?

46. Surya says:

Daily volatility calc as per excel is different from number shown on nse,difference observed was 14 -15 bips,similar difference is observed for annualised volatility as well.IS THIS NORMAL

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yeah, I guess it is because of the date selection.

47. avtar says:

Hello kartik how to calulate implied volatility in excel

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Not sure, you will have to adopt one of the models which will help you calculate the same.

48. Ankit says:

Hi karthik sir
i got an problem while understanding B&S calculator
I tried it eith nifty 50 figures such as
Strike 9350, spot 9198, premium is 32,Expiry 27/4/17
And according to formula premium arises at 22.76 for calls and 147.78 for Puts
sir i wanna ask you is this future value for premium or current fair valye which should be????
If this future value then for which date
Thanks
Have a nice day

• Karthik Rangappa says:

It is the fair value of the premium for the give strike and spot value.

49. Ankit says:

Thanks for everything…….

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Welcome!

50. SONJOE JOSEPH says:

Dear Karthik,

What’s the formula to calculate the call and put options Gamma, Theta & Vega using excel.

Regards,

Sonjoe Joseph

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I’ve not gotten into the formula as it can deep dive into quants. But just to give you a direction – the formula is a 2nd order differentiation of Black & Scholes formula.

51. Ome says:

Hello Sir,

I tried to calculate option greeks using https://zerodha.com/tools/black-scholes/
But it is giving different premium values.

Here are the screen shots. Please have a look.
for call https://www.indishare.me/06atgb24fp0h (when IV is used for call i.e 9.44)
for put https://www.indishare.me/l1jgg3zzh57p (when IV is used for put i.e 10.23)

and this is from nse https://www.indishare.me/jguznjki6vlw

It is giving some different values. Please let me know what mistake i am making.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Not sure why the difference, but I’d like to believe our calculator is accurate.

• Ome says:

means input values are correct?

also i wanted to know that IV will be according to call and put? right?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

IV should be same for both call and put for the given strike. However, you may notice some difference here.

52. PSM says:

Hello,

what are all the ways to find ( PCR is steadily rising and declining)?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

You will have to stick to regular PCR techniques. Its been tried and tested, cant go too wrong 🙂

53. Srinivas says:

Hi,
I am still in the process of learning. Can you please tell me how many days before Ex-Dividend date I need to buy the stock and keep so that I can enjoy the dividend. Is this possible or else do I need to keep it for 1 complete year so that I get the dividend. I am confused. Also I see that there is lot of buying and selling happening when the Ex-Dividend date is nearby and on that day. Can you please brief on this please.

54. Ranjan Malav says:

How can I calculate option pricing for strike price of 350 in option chain image of ICICIBANK above since IV is not given?

• Karthik Rangappa says:
55. Sujeet Raj says:

The call and put delta calculated for ICICIBank ATM 280 strikes in the picture is 0.127 and -0.873 respectively. Aren’t these values for Deep OTM CE and Deep ITM PE.

Also I notice that: Delta (CE) + Delta (PE) = 1 in this case. Does this mathematically hold true everytime?

PS: Thank You for the modules. This has indeed helped me and others to gain a much deeper understanding of the Financial Markets.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, by virtue of delta it is deep OTM and ITM.
Yes, for ATM strike

Cheers! Happy learning 🙂

• Sujeet Raj says:

Does this mean, an option can be classified to have a different moneyness than its actual based on the greeks. And at same time, it can be classified as different moneyness by different greeks at the same moment in time (because the interactions is hanging everything dynamically every second)?

If yes, then what should we consider for a strategy (I haven’t read the option strategies module yet, maybe that will shed some light on this). For a delta neutral strategy, I guess we would consider just the deltas. But this is a wide variation if an ATM option is classified as Deep ITM/OTM. And it may soon change its delta. But say I want to build a strategy myself, what should matter most for a classification?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Sujeet, the moneyness comes for the difference between the strike and spot. The greeks do not really have a play on moneyness. However, the changes in the greeks itself can alter the moneyness 🙂

I’d suggest you take a look at the strategies module 🙂

56. Brahma Reddy says:

WHICH SHOULD BE TAKEN AS SPOT VALUE in calculator for bank nifty.Underlying or future value?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Underlying.

57. Brahma Reddy says:

It seems there is a difference between the values(from option calculator and actual market value?)…why sir?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

The difference is expected. This can be attributable to the market inefficiencies. If you feel the difference is too high then you could sell the option, otherwise, buy….in both case hoping it would align to fair value.

58. Sachin Singh says:

Hey! About the dividend, if it’s within the period, then we write the value (in percentage terms I believe?), if not, we leave it as zero?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yup.

59. shivam arora says:

hi,
from where can i get dividend rate in case of nifty in order to get nifty future value for the current expiry

• Karthik Rangappa says:
60. Abhay says:

Greetings Karthik

Today 24.11.17 Nifty Spot closed @ 10390
Nifty Dec 10400 Call @ 175 and Nifty Dec 10400 Put @ 123
As per Black & Scholes Option Pricing Formula with volatility 13.5 call should be @ 163 & put should be @ 173
Both call & put are ATM
my question is
1. Why so much difference in premium?
2. What would be the expected move for nifty in coming days in such situation?
3. How would you trade in this type of situation?
4. Is it wise to buy a ATM put as the premium is low?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

1) Two things – (a) If markets price the options wrong, then the difference could occur. But I suspect this is the case. (B) Your assumption on Volatility could be wrong
2) Hard to say
3) Assuming my volatility input is correct and the markets are pricing the options wrongly, I’d buy both the options as they are cheaper compared to their respective fair price.
4) Yes, for reason stated above.

• Abhay says:

Greetings Karthik

volatility 13.5 is as shown in the NSE India Vix Website
call option is trading according to B&S Formula but why not put too
as for my 2nd question i am sure there must have been similar instances in history and you must be knowing the aftermath of such situations

• Karthik Rangappa says:

If your pricing is correct, then you can make profitable trades as the market price will eventually catch up with the fair price. Anyway, I’m not sure if Nifty ATM puts can trade with such a large discount to fair price.

• Abhay says:

Greetings
I am also little surprised to see such huge difference between 10400 ATM CALL & Put
What could be the reason
Will the put price rise later on

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Check today, I’m assuming the prices have corrected.

• Abhay says:

Can you explain a bit further on your 3rd point
Just clarifying myself.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

You will have to tell me which 3rd point 🙂

61. Ramu Jella says:

First of all thank you karthik sir. I learned alot with Zerodha varsity. I tried to calculate Option premium by using zerodha B&S option premium pricing formula for Nifty as on 08.12.2017 closing time. the details are as below.

Case:1
Nifty Spot: 10265.65
Strike price: 10500
Expiry: 28.12.2017 15:30Hrs
Volatility: 13.67% (India VIX)
Interest: 6.15% (91 day T-bill rate from RBI website)
Dividend: 0

The output from B&S calculator is as follows

The actual LTP premium price is 37.20

Case:2
Nifty Spot: 10265.65
Strike price: 10500
Expiry: 28.12.2017 15:30Hrs
Volatility: 10.57% (IV from NSE website)
Interest: 6.15% (91 day T-bill rate from RBI website)
Dividend: 0

The output from B&S calculator is as follows

The actual LTP premium price is 37.20

it seems to be there is vast difference between actual premium and the theoretical premium calculated. Kindly explain me where did i got wrong and correct me.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Can you try entering the dividend value? You can get the data from here – https://www.nseindia.com/products/content/equities/indices/historical_pepb.htm

• Ramu Jella says:

The dividend for Nifty 50 is 1.11 from NSE website. B&S fromula in Zerodha website not taking decimals. i tried with 1, 2, 3 so on. whatever the value of dividend the premium is not changing.

CALL OPTION PREMIUM for 10400 Strike is – 49.41 but The actual LTP premium price is 37.20.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Well, in that case, I think there is mispricing. Market partici[ants will correct this sooner or later.

• Ramu Jella says:

I have calculated call option premium for Nifty 10600 strike

Case1: with implied volatility 11.61 ( from option chain)

the calculated premium is 21.97 where as actual LTP premium is 27.60

Case2:with annualised volatility 12.62 ( from futures contract )

the calculated premium is 27.57 where as actual LTP premium is 27.60. this is matching perfectly.

i have calculated premium for reliance 960 strike using volatility from option chain and futures contract. in this case the IV selected from option chain is giving better result.

my understanding is that volatility of future contract for nifty is giving better result whereas for stock IV of option chain is giving better result.

Kindly clarify which volatility have to be chosen.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

You need to considered the implied volatility of the option for calculating the option’s premium. However, you’ve made an interesting point of futures volatility. Let me check if this can be taken as a substitute.

62. Ramu Jella says:

I have made position for Nifty 10600CE on 14.12.2017 (Nifty Spot is 10252) during closing hours of market at a premium of 25.62 in anticipation of market opens gap-up on the back of positive gujrat exit polls which will be announced later in the evening. Later in the day all the Exit polls predicted BJP majority.
Market Today as expected opened gap-up 94 points but not made any follow through. The premium for my position opened at 35.6 and dropped to 27 after 30 minutes of market opening, but the underlying Nifty fell only 20 points.

My question is why premium fell suddenly when underlying not fell substantially.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

This is because the volatility dropped the next day and with that the premiums also did.

63. Rajesh says:

Hi Team,

It could be really better if we can view the Greeks in the ‘Positions Table’ in Kite..! Hope you will work on this..!

Thanks!

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Noted. Will pass the feedback, Rajesh.

64. Siva says:

Hello Sir,

1.B&S options calculator is used to know the Greeks values for that strike as per the spot how the premium calculated based on the volatility?

Correct me if I am wrong.

2.If the first point is correct
Now I want to modify the volatility increase/decrease, I can get the theoretical option price as per the B&S options calculator

Is B&S options calculator used for test cases?

3.Ideally this B&S options calculator value should match with the current option price in the market

How can figure out if options are over or under-valued and if volatility itself is under or over-estimated.

Thanks & Regards,
Siva.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

1) Not too clear with this – can you please rephrase it?
2) Yes, you can use B&S to calculate premium prices by altering the implied volatility. So essentially you can test for different scenarios
3) Not necessarily, the market can misprice the option leading to the difference in price.

• siva says:

Hello Sir,

Thank you for clarifying.

Thanks & Regards,
Siva.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Good luck!

65. Ankit saini says:

Hello sir,
Whenever I use option calculator this gives me the theoretical value of option premium and then I compare this value to the actual value of premiums most of the time I found that the option calculator is providing a value for premium which is less than the actual market price of the premium it means that premiums are expensive to trade from the buyer’s perspective right sir
So I should not buy the options??? Because they are expensive.
Thanks sir….

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Ankit, the value obtained from the calculator is a theoretical value, whereas the value seen in the market is reflective of the sentiment prevailing in the market. If the difference is beyond an acceptable value then it does not make sense to buy…rather you can opt to sell them and collect the premium.

• Ankit saini says:

Yes exactly this is the dilemma that what should be the acceptable difference of theoretical value of premium and actual value of premium for buying purpose
Actually sir I have an open position in currency
Where I bought February expiry 63.75PE @0.3675 ITM and position is working for me but after buying this I realise that I paid much more than should I need to pay to buy this option
When I divided this premium into intrinsic value and time value I found that the intrinsic value something near 0.2625
I want to tell you that I got this intrinsic value from the following strike rate -RBI reference rate yesterday which was set by RBI @approx 64.54 like and after buying this the premium value actually dropped to that 0.2625 and came back after touching that level with my experience I observed that time value in ITM option THE TIME VALUE SHOULD NOT BE LIKE ABOVE
So to avoid this silly mistakes in future I have some question
1. is I bought an expensive option
2. How to calculate intrinsic value means what should be the formula
Is it strike -RBI reference rate OR strike – future rate or something else
By the way I was slightly bullish on Rupee but not sure about the future direction actually in coming future so I played safe and bout IDM option I expected some 40 to 50% value gain in 4 to 5 days
Thanks for help sir

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Ankit, if the RBI Reference rate is 64.54, then the intrinsic value of 63.75PE is 0. So the entire premium of 0.3675 is attributable to the time value. Such high time value is justified since you’ve bought the Feb contract, which will expire only next month. Intrinsic value is a non-negative number or 0. It is Strike – RBI Ref, but if it is -ve number, then the IV is considered 0, hence the rest becomes attributable to the time value.

• Ankit saini says:

Thanks but I am sorry RBI reference rate was 63.54 not 64.54.
I mistakenly wrote that 64.54
But now I got the point clearly that
INTRINSIC VALUE(PE)= STRIKE PRICE – RBI REFERENCE RATE
Right sir,
Thank you so much sir

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, that makes sense now. Good luck with the trade and remember, the intrinsic value of an option is always a non-negative number or 0.

66. muthu mariappan says:

Karthik, i see for some of the strike priices the IV is 0 then, i am getting the call premium as 0. pls advice.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

This is because the option has no trading volume, no liquidity.

67. santosh patidar says:

By seeing chart without indicator people calculate target SL etc. in stocks.
How about option trading without Greeks, expert people calculate the approximate premium ? or Greeks is required only or with experience it will come ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Delta, helps you identify the premium to some extent but that apart, you can gauge this in the backdrop of your experience.

68. santosh patidar says:

Demand and supply role ?
in option premium say ATM option people are doing more trading that means more demand so price will increase, how it differ from voltality ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Volatility dictates the extent by which the premium varies, demand supply does not.

69. NAJEEB T P says:

Dear Kartik,
Seems in the BS calculator AV

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Ok.

70. NAJEEB T P says:

Dear Kartik,
Seems in the BS calculator AV input of over 100 is not seen captured in the provided model.Could you pls check?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Let me check this, I’m dont think this is hard coded. Anyway, well see. Thanks.

71. NAJEEB T P says:

Karthik,

Testing checked for R com 50 CE current month expiry for an IV of 107.34.No output available.Till a volatility of 100 it is ok.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Ok. Looking into this. Btw, IV of over 100 is an extreme case 🙂

72. NAJEEB T P says:

An applied DV of 5.25 can take AV to over 100 and it is not that extreme Karthik.Its only that its not visible because of lack of liquidity in options and traded price is looked into rather than the settlement price.In a sort Black swans are happening in individual scrips during random walks at many instances on a daily basis.May seem gibberish in economic thoughts but when I tested it seems a fact.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Very interesting. I do get your point on lack of liquidity and the isolated black swan events.

73. Clifford says:

Hello Sir,

I’m just curious to know, we calculate our profits based on an assumed Delta value for a given option premium based on whether the strike price of the chosen option is either Deep ITM (Delta – 0.75 to 1), ITM (Delta – 0.5 to 0.75), ATM (Delta – 0.5), OTM (Delta 0.3 to 0.5) or Deep OTM (Delta 0 to 0.3). Obviously the spot price keeps changing during the open market and I’m assuming that the Delta of any given option MUST also change based on which category (Deep ITM, ITM, ATM, OTM and Deep OTM) it falls under, as the spot price fluctuates. Is my assumption true? If Yes, how often is the Delta for any given option recalculated. If Not, are the Delta’s of every option fixed throughout the day and decided at the opening price of the contract value? I would really appreciate your answer to this question.

74. NAJEEB T P says:

Dear Karthik,
Seems NSE uses overnight MIBOR rates for risk-free interest calculation .Cant understand the logic why NSE uses 10 percent for IV calculations as showed in the note below option chain.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Not sure, Najeeb. By the way, do you have a link which says NSE uses MIBOR? Can you please share? Thanks.

75. NAJEEB T P says:

Karthik,

Dont remember the exact para in Nse website . Posting here what I copied earlier from Nse notes. .. F = S * e rt where : F = theoretical futures price S = value of the underlying index r = rate of interest ( MIBOR) t = time to expiration. …

https://www.nseindia.com/gsa/NSE_Search.jsp?q=mibor%20rate
you may try this one too.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Sure, thanks, Najeeb.

76. Vivek Anand says:

Hi Karthik

I understand that prices are governed by market dynamics but, today I saw 10800 Option closing at Rs2.5 but, BS calculator shows this value as 0.32 (Interest rate 10% + IV 12.85) which is almost 10 times less than the theoretical value – this seems bit too much of a deviation – in your experience is this normal?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Are you sure you’ve used the right volatility input? Wrong IV inputs can lead to big changes in the premium.

• Vivek Anand says:

Thanks Karthik. I think I used the correct IV but, will double check next time. Few more questions

1) BS is used for getting both Call & Put option premium but, in Nifty option chain the IVs for put and call (for same strike) are different – Different IVs I do understand the rationality but, then shouldn’t the BS have different inputs of Volatility for calculating premium / Greeks of Put and Call option in this case?

2) Does is make sense to use dividend yield per the data provided on NSE website when using BS claculator

3) At what time on the expiry day Options stops trading. I am asking this because today (31/05) as you must be aware Nifty went to 10763 around 3:08PM and I had shorted 10750 CE but still the option price was 1.05. Shouldn’t it have shot up to somewhere around 13Rs? Had the market closed more than 10750 making 10750 CE ITM would the difference have been deducted from my account when the contract was being finalized? – Also, Noted that around the closing 3:25PM the market went beyond 10750 for sometime – in this case should we square off the position or just let it expire because premium price was stuck at 0.05 at this time.

Hope my questions makes sense.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

1) Technically speaking, the IV of both CE & PE should be the same for a given strike. But you won’t see this in the market as each strike has its own demand-supply situation, impacting the IVs. The procedure for calculating the greeks and premium for CE and PE is the same, which is what the B&S calculator does. You need to enter the relevant IVs to get the appropriate figures.

2) YOu can if you are dealing with Nifty

3) It trades till 3:30 PM. Maybe there was no liquidity in the contract?

• Vivek Anand says:

Thanks a lot sir

Yes there was no liquidity in contract as, there was no one bidding. It was an eye opener for me as even 2SD can sometime not be safe 🙂

Also, say market had closed at 10760 then I would have suffered a loss of 10 Rs (as I wrote 10750 CE) and money would have been deducted from my account – Is my understanding correct?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, this is right, you’d have a loss of 10 bucks.

77. Arpan says:

Hi Karthik

I’ve heard of IV Rank and IV Percentile. Can you please explain them with examples? How to use them while trading options?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

The concept is similar to Vol skew, will try and make a post on this soon. Thanks.

78. Khurshid says:

Dear Karthik
suppose canara Bnk in running at 255 today and i want to test the 280 CE rate with the help of B&S calculator. at this position which IV have to input , ATM Strike price input or my selected Strike (i.e – 280 CE) IV input? please clear the doubt.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, Khurshid, you can actually input the ATM strike IV.

79. Chirag Sharma says:

Hi,

I am not able to interpret the premium on the BS calculator. I input 26700 strike and spot as current close 26503 (Thursday close) volatility of 10.22(IV of 26700 strike) and interest rate of 6.48(RBI) and expiring coming Thursday (12th July)

The result is 70.66 Call option premium on BS.
Currently the 26700 closed at 88.5

Question-
How to interpret this? Intrinsic value is 70.6 and traded at 88.5? Ok so what now?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

This means the market is valuing the option more than its theoretical value.

80. Mehul Karia says:

Hello Sir,
I would like to know suppose if call option is 34 and theta is -4 at the starting of the day at around 9.30 am…If all the Greeks and price remain the same at market closing at around 3.30 pm option premium will be reduced by theta value of -4 and premium will become 30 or on next day opening it will reduce by -4…theta is calculated on hourly basis or daily basis?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Theta is on a daily basis, so all else equal, the next day morning the option will open at 30.

81. omi says:

does theta decay value shown in b&s calculator also considers non trading days that is saturday and sunday while giving its input.
for example at friday the theta of option is 0.5 and its preimium is 5 .Then all else equal will it open by monday at 3.5 or at 4.5.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

It does, Omi.

82. Yashpal says:

Hi Karthik,
I tried zerodha B&S calculator model for maruti 10000CE aug expiry it shows option price18.68 but as of now it is trading at price 24.55 can you tell me why the difference.
I have taken following inputs.
Spot price 9188.35 as on 3 aug
strike:10000
EXPIRY:30/08/2018
VOLATILITY:21.41
INTEREST:6.73
dividend:0

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I think the volatility is much higher. Also, if the difference can be attributable to the difference in demand and supply.

83. Vishal says:

Hi Karthik,

The current page https://zerodha.com/tools/black-scholes/ gives us a way to calculate the premium as seen currently. Is there a tool by zerodha to know the premium with time as future datetime as additional input along with spot price, volatility?

i.e., For example, i want to know what the premium of a certain option will be at Nov 20 or 22nd right now itself? (Assuming spot price, volatility i will input)
If not zerodha tool, can we do the same in excel?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I’m not sure if this is possible. But however, one way to do this is to reduce the time to expiry to your target date.

• Vishal says:

Oh right! Thanks for the hack., just didn’t think of it.

So as per the example i gave, when i want to know the expected premium of option on Nov 20, all i should do is calculate the number of trading sessions from Nov 20 to expiry date, let’s say N days.

And input the expiry date is calculator as (Todays date+N trading sessions), which should give me the premium. Am i right?

Just one last help the above calculator. It doesn’t work when the IV is beyond 100 (works for 100 though). I wanted to calculate the premium of option PCJEWELLER18NOV75, where it’s IV is 101.43 as of now, it doesn’t give any output.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Thats right, Vishal. Reduce the number of trading days and you will know what the fair price of the option on that day. I think IV has an upper limit at 100…will double check. Thanks.

84. Abdul says:

Hi Karthik,

Looking at Greek values, Can we build any strategy for Option buying and selling, any inputs what delta/gamma/theta/vega should be to buy or sell Options.
Do we need to use RBI interest rate for other stocks as well like Infosys, TCS, Tata Motors etc or it is only for banking stocks.

Thanks
Abdul

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, you certainly can. Especially things like the straddle and strangle. All of that and more here – https://zerodha.com/varsity/module/option-strategies/

• Abdul says:

Hi Karthik,

Should I use interest rate from RBI for non banking stock as well like Infosys, TCS etc.

Thanks
Abdul

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, that works.

85. Suvajit says:

Hello Karthik,

Getting back to you again!! I have tried finding the exact formula for B&S in many sites, got few also however I am not getting the output of those when I do the calculation in my Excel and compare it with the Zerodha Calculator. I am hence requesting you, if possible can the formulas of B&S or some sample excel sheet be shared please?

Suvajit

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Check this, Suvajit – https://sensibull.com/

• Suvajit says:

I have this link of yours however it doesnt provide anything apart from the theoretical CE & PE premium. I would want the formula which will give all the greeks. 🙂

• Karthik Rangappa says:

It is the standard B&S formula which throws out the greeks. Have you tried using Sensibull platform? https://sensibull.com/

• Suvajit says:

Thanks Karthik.

I have checked Sensibull however for me that is too much of details as I am new the whole concept. I need to understand Few things please:

1) If I go to the NSE Site and Let’s Assume I select “WIPRO” then go to the Options Chain.. Then I see many IV’s marked as “-“. Can you tell me what do we consider in those cases where the value of IV is “-” for the Greek calculation?

2) May be very lame question, please pardon my ignorance. In an Option Chain, If I go DEEP ITM for CALL OPTIONS where I see that there is a Bid and Ask Quantity, I dont see and LTP value. How do I buy those Options if I want to buy them?

3) I understood that we BUY CALL Options when we have a Bullish outlook of the underlying. The Current Spot Price of WIPRO is 351, Ideally I should be buying values are ATM or OTM right? Like 355 or 375? So in case the price goes beyond 355 or 375 then I make profit of the difference. Is my understanding correct?

If I go the F&O calculator of Zerodha and put the strike price as 375 and BUY for CALL Options, I dont get any Margin details. However If I select SELL then I get the Margin details.

I may be making some blunder mistakes in terms of my understanding and hence I am getting confused. Please help.

BTW How do I attache the screenshots?

Suvajit

• Karthik Rangappa says:

1) Look for the IV of an ATM options
2) Unfortunately, the liquidity in most of the deep OTM/ATM options is quite shallow. LTP shows up only when a trade occurs, in the absence of which there is no LTP.
3) Yes. Think about it this way, you buy an option by paying a premium, the premium increases (for call options) if the chances of the spot going higher than the strike increases. So if you manage to sell the option at a higher price compared to your purchase price, then you make a profit

Good luck, Suvajit. Keep going!

• Suvajit says:

Thank you Karthik Sir. 🙂

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Welcome!

86. Ananth Gopal says:

Hello Karthik,

So far from the module I believe that have understood theoretically, however when I am trying to implement these into practice, I am finding it difficult. I need your help in understanding B&S.

Spot value of NIFTY is at 10661.55 and strike consideration in 10800 CE Jan 31st expire. Current option premium Rs. 32.05/-. Please find below B&S output.

Spot: 10661.55, Strike:10800, Expiry: 31/1/2019 @ 15:00, Volatility(%): 20.11, Interest(%):6.60, Dividend: 0

Call Option Premium: 17.80, Put option Premium: 152.35, Call option Delta: 0.202, Put option Delta: -0.798,
Option Gamma: 0.0018
Call Option Theta: -11.556, Put Option Theta: -9.604, Call Option Rho: 0.117, Put Option Rho: -0.475, Option Vega: 2.222

1. I have got the output based on the inputs that have giving.
2. I would like to know if the premium that is derived, is the premium that I should expect on the expiry date & time that I have given
2. I understand Delta value helps in increasing/decreasing the premium based on the directional movement of the underlying for both PUT & Call option, where I have got value as 0.202 for call option and -0.798 for put option. As a seller of call option I have 80% chance that the strike price will expire worthless.
3. Gamma tells us that the delta will increase by 0.0018 based on the movement of the underlying. Would like to know, like delta has range between 0 to 1 and -1 to 0, does Gamma also have any range.
4. Theta – Now i would like to know the value of Theta which is -11.556 for call option is saying that the premium will get reduced by 11.556 each day till expiry. If yes then on the expiry day premium should be 8.938, however B&S is showing premium as 17.80/-. Please explain
5. Vega: Based on the volatility movement the pricing of the option premium will either reduce or increase.
6. Please correct me on this – Since I see that the value of call option Theta is comparitively more that call option delta & Vega, it is obvious that there is time decay and the option premium will go down by the expiry, however how far is this true, because the same doesn’t work with the put option considering it is ITM.

By the question that i have framed anybody can easily understand that I am confused or did not understand the concept. Please help.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

1) Yes, B&S works on that basis. You give a set of input and that B&S will throw out the output
2) No, the premium is just the theoretical value, under ideal market conditions
3) Not really, but the gamma peaks when the option turns into ATM
4) Yes, but this is again under ideal market conditions. While theta erodes the premium, other factors may help in pulling the prices up
5) Yes
6) This is because we are very close to expiry

Good luck and keep going!

87. Saikiran Garapati says:

Hi Sir,

What is Implied Volatility and how it effects our option trading, If you mention in our varsity please let us know the link. I have tried to see but i did not find it.

Regards,
Saikiran Garapati.

88. Suvajit says:

Hello Karthik Sir,

My apologies If I am in any way offending you by calling you Sir but I must call you Sir as I have really loved, learned a lot from your super write-ups. Thank you once again.

After a really long month of Study and working in parallel. I have built a Trading System of my own using Google Sheet. I can do some pattern analysis, Indicator Movements, Potential Hedging, Options Greeks Calculation and few other factors. I have built a system to BackTest my results also for any period I would want to check.

However all these things that I currently did is using Historical Data, So my Google Sheet can only generate a Trade Call after the closing of the market .i.e. around 8PM when today’s data will be available, then I will have to BUY/SELL that script tomorrow first thing in the morning.

Sometimes I have followed and found that I have missed the rally already and then I dont know what to do. 🙁

My Question:

1) Can I get real time data in my excel or google sheets? Any API or any suggestion how I can get some real time data?
2) How do you think we should decide on the Target for a given script when we get a BUY/SELL call? I just do,1%,2% and 3%
3) A combination of candlestick patterns which gives a BackTest (360 days) of almost 90-95% Success. Can we just blindly trust those calls further?
4) I am planning to start trading Options (1st) and Future (2nd) going forward.
5) Can you suggest some other books or readings which can help me further enhance my strategies?

I have burnt my fingers in the past and have lost very huge amount in the market and that’s why this time with your help I am working hard before I jump in the fire.

Note: I have not done any trades yet using my System generated calls yet.

Suvajit

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I have no problem with whatever you;d want to call me, so dont worry about that 🙂

2) Have you looked at demand-supply zones? You can even look at targets based on standard deviations

3) In general, 90-95% sounds unbelievable, so you may want to double check everything again

4) Good luck on that, make sure you understand these things well before placing the order

5) I’d suggest you read more on risk and money management techniques, maybe you should check with the Varsity module itself.

Good luck and all the very best!

• Suvajit says:

Thanks Karthik Sir.

One quick thing, I am not a coder and so can I get some help on how to use those API’s to accomplish my tasks? Any documents or any step by step guide?

Yeah at the beginning the BackTest result was around 60-65% and then I did a lot of fine tuning and now in few cases I get even 100% success results. May be if I increase the timeframe to 720 days the results may come down.

I will let you know as I try with 720 days tomorrow.

Thank you!!

• Karthik Rangappa says:

The link I provided you has all the technical documentation you’d need. Unfortunately, I’m not a coder either so very little help from here on this count.

89. deba says:

sending diegram

Dividend for is NIFTY 50 and BANKNIFTY will be 0.0 ??

91. Aniruddha says:

Now a days IV column is not shown in option chain. Where to find option wise IV other than option chain?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

For individual strikes, you can look up the B&S calculator. Else, the option chain by Sensibul also gives you the OI info.

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93. Sachin says:

Hi Karthik,

Option chain dated 20/3/2020 shows -ve % changes for deep ITM Call options, while nifty grew ~6%. Below are all 4 strikes which are in negative, while all other Call options between 8750 to 6750 are in green.

OI |CHNG IN OI | VOLUME | IV | LTP | CHNG | BID QTY | BID PRICE | ASK PRICE | ASK QTY | STRIKE
2 | 1 | 1 | – |1,175.50 | -28.95 | 675 |1,473.70 | 1,866.70 | 7,425 | 7,100.00
1 | 1 | 2 | – |1,200.00 | -41.30 | 7500 |1,310.00 | 1,743.35 | 7,425 | 7,250.00
– | – | – | – |915.70 | -915.70 | 1500 |932.80 | 1,454.25 | 1500 | 7,650.00
14 | – | 3 | – |773.0 | -177.70 | 75 |919.65 | 1,124.90 | 75 | 7,750.00

Since all these options are deep ITM, delta, Gamma are almost negligible. IV is not listed for any of these strike prices. So not sure of Vega. The only other difference between these strikes and all other Call option strikes in green, is that that, these options have OI and volume almost 0.

What could be reason for -ve returns in only these few call strikes when nifty rose substantially on 20th Mar 2020?

Thanks and regards for all the enlightenment you have been giving on these topics.

-Sachin

• Karthik Rangappa says:

This is because of the deep change in IV. I had sent a wall push on the Varsity app for regarding the same, explaining why its happening. If you have the app, please check the wall section.

94. Sachin says:

Hi Karthik,

Checked your post on Wall. Thanks, it clarifies the doubt. Once again, you are immensely helping newbies by sharing knowledge. God bless you man!

Thanks,
-Sachin

• Karthik Rangappa says:

95. RAHUL says:

sir in dividend section why have u taken 0 as the dividend was 4 in the above example?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Must be another underlying.

96. rahul says:

sir u have taken dividend because B&S formula assumes that dividend is not paid on the stock

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, not paid but expected within the expiry of the series.

97. Avinash Basantani says:

Hi,

Thanks for the explanation. Have a couple of questions which i have (have mentioned below)
1. For Nifty and Bank Nifty Dividend we need to take only the dividend yield from the NSE website, correct ?
2. Since I am a day trader for me to calculate the option greeks can i take the weekly expiry for calculating or we need to take monthly expiry only ?
3. Being a day index options trader, it makes sense to always trade OTM strike options with 2 or more weeks of expiry ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

1) Yes
2) I’d recommend daily
3) If intraday, I’d suggest you stick to ATM. But yeah, with 2 weeks to expiry, slight OTM also works.

98. Kalyan says:

Hello,
Are all the calculations of theeta based on number of trading days to expiry or number of days to expiry?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, the days left to expiry is considered.

99. Christy says:

1)Can we use live data from ivx for calculating premium as nse data is updated at the end a day.
2)volatility alternate between high and low. Once there is a squeeze in bollinger band means low volatility. Will be followed by a volatility break in upward dirict ion. Is it a right approach to Use bollinger band as a volatility predictor. When There is a squeeze buy options and reap the advantage of volatility break out. Can you bring some clarity on. How to use bb as a volatility predictor

• Karthik Rangappa says:

1) You can use any standard B&S calculator for this
2) Yes, BB is a volatility indicator, measured in standard deviation terms.

100. Christy says:

Suppose current price is 200.delta(. 2).gamma. 001.for a move of 20 point delta change by. 020
Final delta is .220(. 2+.020).so is it right to calculate total move in premium by taking average delta. Ie (initial delta +final delta)/2.ie(. 215).ie a premium change of 4.3 rs (20x.215)

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Nope, don’t average the deltas.

101. Christy says:

Dividend yield value in the sample calculation shown in chapter is assumed to be Zero. In actual while inputtimg what value should I give. In the Nse site for calculating dividend yield it is asking for the time frame for which dividend yield to. Be calculated. What time frame should I give

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Look for the latest value, Christy.

102. Akash says:

Sir
In Art. 21.2 “Overview of Model”, you have shown RHO also. What is RHO as an Option Greek ?

Thanks

• Karthik Rangappa says:

That’s the interest rate sensitivity to option premiums, not really an active greek. Hence skipped.

103. Kalyan says:

When I use B & S calculator, for some of the options(OTM), theta value is greater that premium value(absolute value of theta).
Example: 19500 spot price, 22000 strike price, 87.45 IV: CE premium is 16.53 and CE theta is -23.5.
What does this indicate? I mean does this mean that by tomorrow premium value will be zero, if spot price and IV remain same.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, it means the value associated with the IV is zero and everything is attributed to the theta, which will hit zero as the theta acceleration increases.

104. Pranay Saraiwala says:

Hi Kartik,

While calculating the profit of Traders A and B in PCP section should we not include the premium payed/collected?
Would the equation be still valid if we do so?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Have we not?

105. Pranay says:

Hi Kartik,

I dont see it.

Trader A holds = 1200 PE + 1 share of Infy at 1200
Trader B holds = 1200 CE + Cash equivalent to strike i.e 1200

Assume upon expiry Infosys expires at 1100, what do you think happens?
Trader A’s Put option becomes profitable and he makes Rs.100 however he loses 100 on the stock that he holds, hence his net pay off is 100 + 1100 = 1200.

Trader B’s Call option becomes worthless, hence the option’s value goes to 0, however he has cash equivalent to 1200, hence his account value is 0 + 1200 = 1200.

Am I missing something???

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Ah, I was supposed to elaborate this in the coming modules, looks like I have missed doing that. Making a note on this will update sometime soon.

106. Vinod says:

Hi,
How options are calculated for USDINR, say for example:
USDINR future price : 75.28 as on 01-05-2020
spot price : 75.28
Strike Price : 76 call
Volatility : ?
Interest Rate : ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

It works exactly like that in stocks, except that the underlying here is the future, unlike in equities where the underlying is spot.

107. Mukesh says:

Hello sir
Also, do realize if you hold the present
value of the strike and hold the same to maturity, you will get the value of strike itself

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Looks like that is a present value concept. Can you please throw more context to this? Thanks.

108. PRASHANT MEMANE says:

Where i can check the risk free rate %

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Take the FD rates as a proxy for risk-free rates.

109. Mukesh says:

Also, do realize if you hold the present value of the strike and hold the same to maturity, you will get the value of strike itself, hence the above can be further restated as –

Put Option + Spot Price = Strike + Call options

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Mukesh, plugin real values from the market and you can validate the equation.

110. Mukesh says:

Thank you sir

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Welcome!

111. R VINOD KUMAR says:

Hi Karthik,

1. Nifty from NSE option chain 28 may expiry Price 8500 PE trading at Rs 9.6, IV at 36.34
2. when calculated from BS Calclutor – Put Option Premium 16.88, huge difference for the day
3. Tried fitting the VIX (32.38 on May 22) replacing IV and Premium is now 10.43 somewhat close to the NSE premium
4. Did the reverse engineering to get the IV – it shows around 77 as Volatility for the this particular PE.

totally confused how to interpret this, if I want to write 8500 CE does that mean that the IV is high and if thats the case then BS calc shows Rs 16 as the premium when IV is low 36.34.

thanks

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Vinod, B&S is a fair price and Volatility calculator. The market price can be different compared to fair price, this is because of market dynamics. Also, high volatility is conducive for writing options.

112. Riyansh Mehta says:

Should we use the interest rate as 10 %?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Not anymore, rates have lowered right?

113. Riyansh Mehta says:

In no. Of days for expiry should holidays be included or only trading days ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

You can include holidays.

114. Riyansh Mehta says:

Sir please clarify my doubts ,
Could you please explain the difference between including the holidays and not including them
If the theta is 2 then will the option loose value on Saturday n Sunday ?
Thankyou

• Karthik Rangappa says:

The values will be different. You can exclude the holidays and take the values.

115. Riyansh Mehta says:

Cause if we do include holidays and if we don’t the Greeks will differ
Which is a better one to include or to not?

116. Riyansh Mehta says:

Thankyou for the detailed information
But which is preferred by you including or excluding holidays
N do the options loose more value on on a weekend or not?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I’d prefer to include all days.

117. Riyansh Mehta says:

Thank you for clarifying my doubts
I have some more
There are some contracts which are not squared off even after expiry
So how are these contracts settled?
Is it on the basis of the intrinsic value of the contract?
And I had one more doubt what is the IV of the contracts on the expiring date ?
Thank you

118. Eman says:

Great explanation, thank you Mr. Karthik,

I am currently testing the classical Black-Scholes formula (i.e. using historical volatility) to see its accuracy.
I noticed that sometimes it works for the option price, as well as delta and gamma, but when it comes to calculating theta specifically, it completely fails.
Would appreciate if you can share what you think the reason for this may be

Thanks

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Can you share more details on how you are doing this? Theta is an integral part of B&S calculator and its output, I’m not convinced that it can completely fail 🙂

119. Eman says:

Thank so much for your response Karthik,

Well, I am doing the following:
Since bloomberg data that i have access to gives limited data points for calibration, I did the following:
1. Calculated implied volatility (IV) based on a function in MATLAB (reserve solved B&S to get IV)
2. Based on obtained IV, I calculated the Theta, and used this as a proxy to the market.
3. I calculated B&S theta (using historical volatility), and calculated the R^2

I used this method in my study for the option price, Delta, Gamma, and Theta, it was giving me expected results for the Price, Delta and Gamma, but Theta was really off..

Thank you so much again

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I thought through this, Eman. If the other greeks are right, then theta has to be right. I’m unable to figure what could be wrong.

120. Eman says:

Thank you so much Karthik for taking the time to think it though, I really appreciate it.

Thank you!!

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Welcome, if I figure something, I’ll let you know. Good luck!

121. Riyansh Mukeshkumar Mehta says:

There are some contracts which are not squared off even after expiry
So how are these contracts settled?
Is it on the basis of the intrinsic value of the contract?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, upon the intrinsic value of the contract. However, all contracts expire on the contract expiry date.

122. Shrey says:

Thank you so much Karthik for taking the time to think it though, I really appreciate it.
i have a query can we calculate expected price by Black & Scholes calculator ?
Assuming if i have strike price of Rs.80 and cmp is Rs 100. and IV for particular strike price is 20% (assuming).
can we put all these figure in a calculator and calculate value of option Greeks and then using them to calculate price of a option next day if cmp increases by Rs 5 ?

Thank you!!

• Karthik Rangappa says:

That seems like a bit of over-engineering for me 🙂
B&S is best for calculating the fair value of the option price, given a certain amount of volatility. Or you can feed the current market price to extract the current volatility. Not sure if you can play around with forecasting greeks with B&S.

123. Riyansh Mukeshkumar Mehta says:

If I want to trade 2 different contracts in options and futures at the same time
is there any feature which would only make the trade if I am getting both the contracts at the specified price ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Hmm, I dont think so. IOC orders wont help?

124. Paresh Prajpati says:

Hi Karthik Sir,

Trader A holds = 1200 PE + 1 share of Infy at 1200
Trader B holds = 1200 CE + Cash equivalent to strike i.e 1200

Assume upon expiry Infosys expires at 1100, what do you think happens?
Trader A’s Put option becomes profitable and he makes Rs.100 however he loses 100 on the stock that he holds, hence his net pay off is 100 + 1100 = 1200. Supposed here is received premium 100 & loss 100 ..so the net value is 1200

Trader B’s Call option becomes worthless, hence the option’s value goes to 0, however he has cash equivalent to 1200, hence his account value is 0 + 1200 = 1200. But here He paid premium (-100)+1200= 1100.

So I think it is not the same. Correct if I’m wrong

Regards,
Paresh

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, this is on a theoretical basis. Also, the premium won’t be 100. It will be around 10 or less, depends on the spot price.

125. Pavan Rikkula says:

What according to you are the flaws in the model developed by Mr. Merton(if any) and how to take them into account while pricing options?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I dont have an individual opinion on this, but I’ve read about the assumption of normal distribution of asset returns being considered as a flawed.

126. rajat pahuja says:

hello sir,
sir i calculates the option premium through B&S calculator , it is truly helpful .
but sir in a case the put premium calculated by B&S calculator matches with the option chain put premium byt in call premium there was a huge gap of 8 . B&S calculated it at 38 but actually it is prevailing at 46 .

• Karthik Rangappa says:

This is because of the difference in the theoretical and market price of the option.

127. rajat pahuja says:

sir do we have a chapter on theoretical and market price of option to know more about this concept.

128. manish malhotra says:

how and where can we get nifty options historical data with GREEKS

• Karthik Rangappa says:

You may want to contact the folks at Sensibull for this.

129. Jitu says:

Sir
Is there effect on option price on date of ex-dividend?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Not really, the F&O contracts are adjusted by the exchanges.

130. Pavan Rikkula says:

Hi Karthik,
1) Am I right in deducing that the BS calculator assumes constant value for volatility throughout the option duration? If no, kindly explain how the IV input works. If yes, isn’t the entire assumption wrong?
2) Also, do option traders really need to find the option prices? Can’t we just trade using volatility, ignoring how prices are derived/calculated? What edge does a certain trader has, by using Option pricing formula?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

1) Yes, that’s right
2) Yup, you can, but having a perspective on price helps. After all, you don’t want to be transacting at ridiculous option prices.

131. Riyansh Mukeshkumar Mehta says:

What is the new rule in bank nifty strike price restrictions ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Not sure about what you are referring to. Can you throw some context please?

132. Riyansh Mukeshkumar Mehta says:

If I want to sell put option strike price 18100 in bank nifty will i be able to?”

• Karthik Rangappa says:

No restriction on selling options.

133. Riyansh Mukeshkumar Mehta says:

So having sold a put option contract out of the range
Can I also buy a put option out of the range to increase my profitss?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

You can, but do keep an eye on the range which is allowed.

134. Riyansh Mukeshkumar Mehta says:

Example banknifty Is trading at 23500 and I have sold 2 put option of 18500 so can I buy a put option of 20000?

135. Riyansh Mukeshkumar Mehta says:

The range being 23000-24000

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I guess you can.

136. Vaishakh says:

sir, In the greek calculator, the value of theta computed is negative. But theta by defination is positive number irrespective of Call or Put option, right ?

137. rahul says:

sir does rho interest means the 91day t bills? and is it mandatory to take 91day tbills and not 182?if yes why?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Rho means the rate of change of premium wrt to the change in the interest rate. 91 days since its short term and closer to expiry.

138. Prudhvi says:

Sir,
Suppose i buy nifty 11500 ce@x and sell 11700 ce@y. Why do i still have to maintain margin? In this case, if nifty expiry is below 11500, my max loss will be (x-y). If nifty expiry is above 11700, my loss on selling 117700 ce will be adjusted with holding of 11500 ce and still i will be in a gain. Then why should i maintain the margin when my maximum Loss is premium which i already have paid. Pls answer sir

• Karthik Rangappa says:

The new margin framework significantly reduces the margin for such positions.

139. Prudhvi says:

Thank you sir, my doubt is why do i even have to maintain margin

• Karthik Rangappa says:

What if you decide to square off one leg and leave the position naked?

140. Prudhvi says:

Ohh. so our stock broker collects margin in advance in order to be in a safer side. Thank you sir🙏🙂

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Happy learning!

141. rohan says:

How does NSE calculate the volatility of an option? Because it seems like the egg and the chicken problem as if I input the premium I get the volatility and if I put the premium I get the volatility?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

NSE takes a slightly different approach. When the calculate volatility, they have margins in perspective. They give more weights to the recent price movement.

142. Aarti says:

Sir I was wondering why we do not use Implied Volatility at a particular strike price instead of overall standard deviation pertaining to a particular stock in B&S formula?

Many thanks!

• Karthik Rangappa says:

You can, may get a bit complicated though.

143. Riyansh Mukeshkumar Mehta says:

In elliot wave theory
The theory is subjected to moving averages correct?
So simple moving avg or an exponential should be taken ?
And how many day moving avg should be taken ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

As far as I know, Elliot wave is largely based on the Fibonacci theory.

144. KD says:

Hi Karthik,

How can I get IV of a stock? It is not mentioned on NSE website as shown by you.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I’d suggest you check with Sensibull once.

145. Shashank Pendyala says:

Hi Karthik,
1. You taken dividend as 0 for ICICI bank example, I hope this is a typo, it should 4 right?
2. If there is no ex dividend for specific stock within expiry then dividend is 0?
3. I didn’t expect indices also provides dividend, but how do people get this dividend?
4. As per NSE website, dividend for indices is only completed days, means if we have to calculate option premium for 10th December expiry, I don’t see any dividend data after 4th December. Does it mean Nifty/ Bank Nifty will always have 0 dividend while calculating the formula?

146. Anoop says:

The calculation of option pricing with time taken in days has inherent flaws which is significant in last couple of days expiry. The pointer to thought is that option pricing on a given date, opening and closing price has signficant price difference keeping other variable same. It is exploitable flaw.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

147. Jamna says:

Dear Sir,
Is there a reason you have not spoken about rho? There is a drawing of rho on your infographic.

Also what the other second/third order Greek finance derivatives? I know you said it is not meant for retail but it can be useful right?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Jamna, Rho has the lowest impact since this is sensitivity to the interest rate, hence decided to skip it. Not sure about the 2nd and 3rd order Greeks. Need to research a bit, but I do remember discussing this in the chapter related to Gamma, please do check that.

148. Janta Sindhu says:

Dear Sir,

With respect to the B & S calculator.
When I input strike, spot, IV, and the 91 day T bill for interest. I get the 4 greeks as well as the theoretical price.
Is this price the price as expiry or what the price of the option should be currently?

Let’s say the option currently priced at Rs. 15.50 while the theoretical price is 14.44, what should I infer from this>
What if the option is priced at 22 while the theoretical is priced at 25?

Kindly do assist me in this matter. You are truly doing fantastic work sir.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

It is the fair price expected in the market as of now. Of course, the market price could be different and this difference is owing to the demand and supply situation in the market.

149. Janta Sindhu says:

If the fair value price is higher than the actual price it makes sense to purchase the option currently? and if the fair value price is lower than the actual price it would make sense to avoid purchasing the option right?

But what about squaring off the option?
Lets say I purchased an undervalued option, and not the actual price is much greater than the fair value price.
How should I go about it?

Will this be similar to writing options?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, traders do track fair prices vs Mkt price and set up trades. But there is no guarantee that the market price will reflect fair price, in which case the trade can go terribly wrong.

150. JantaSindhu says:

Dear Sir,

I’m still not sure how I should interpret the fair value price of an option.

In futures, I can potentially set up arbitrage positions.

Should you purchase undervalued options and avoid over valued options??

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, naked positions are one of the best things you can do to extract value. But for this to work, you need to be extra sure about the option position and its eventual alignment to fair value.

151. JasonVor says:

Dear Karthik Sir,
The current T91 bills is around 3.337% interest rate.
On the NSE website it says that IV is calculated using 10% interest rate. Will this skew data?

Also, you mentioned that VIX can be used as an alternate to Nifty IV.

What about other stocks, bank nifty etc.
It would become tedious to calculate the daily returns and volatility every week to understand vix/writing options. Is there a website that has all this data ready? I’ve read the above comments and you had suggested sensibull, but I cannot find anything over there. Please do assist me in this matter.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Jason, this may skew the data. Not sure, why 10% is being used. For stocks, you can take the historical volatility and use that as a proxy. Do write to Sensibull and see if they have this data (in case you were unable to figure).

152. JasonVor says:

Dear Sir,

Thank you for taking time out of your busy day to reply to me.

If the IV calculated by the NSE is wrong, then all the options chains on Zerodha, HDFC Sec, ICICI Direct etc would be wrong correct as they all take their data from the NSE data..
Historical volatility for stocks would only be there for its futures correct? As mentioned earlier, I cannot find volatility for stocks anywhere online. Does Zerodha offer this?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I’m not saying its wrong, its just that I don’t know their philosophy in make that calculations 🙂

Historical vol can be easily calculated on excel. No, we don’t offer this data.

153. Dhyani says:

Very nicely written. Can you suggest more books to further dive deep on options, greeks, strategies and practical indian examples.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Thanks, Dyyani. I’ve tried to consolidate my learnings from various sources into these notes. Btw, you should check out Sheldon Natenberg’s books on options.

154. rakesh says:

when I have giving values for black Scholes in Zerodha, the output result(theoretical CE and PE Prices) is exactly the opposite for practical CE and PE. means (theoretical CE = practical PE) and (theoretical PE = practical CE). can you explain why this is happening?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I’m not sure at all, this seems peculiar. Can you double-check all the parameters again?

155. Prathima says:

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yup, it does. B&S is applicable for all options.

156. Priyanka Ingale says:

Hi Karthik,

I checked Zerodha’s Greeks Calculator and for PE and CE we have different IV. Should we use average of PE IV and CE IV to calculate the Greeks?

Thanks,
Priyanka

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Not really, take the IV of the particular strike, that will be more accurate.

157. Eesha says:

The IV considered is for the strike of 280. Is it because, this is closest to spot? Or is there some other reason?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I guess it was selected randomly.

158. praveen says:

Thanks Karthik for explaining everything in detail.
Have few questions
1. on Expiry day , premium of every option will become zero?
2. Can I sell call option today and buy the same after few days but before expiry ?
3. If answer for above question is true, as premium will decrease based on time decay. Every time I will get profit whenever I short sell call option and buy after few days. Am I right ?
3. if I short sell option on expiry day and did not buy the same to square off , what happens in below scenarios?
a) what happens if strike price is less than expiry day closing price
b) what happens if strike price is more than expiry day closing price. Please give an example
4. how margin is calculated if we sell call option?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

1) No, the premium of ATM and OTM will goto zero. ITM options will have some value based on the spot
2) Yes, you can
3) Yes, that’s right
3a) For call option premium will be zero, for put option, it maybe be profitable.
3b) Reverse of the above
4) Calculation is based on SPAN technique. YOu can figure how much using the margin calculator.

159. Amit says:

Sir, can we use B&S calculator to price the options and get greeks of the options based on indices like nifty and bank nifty?
And if yes, in the volatility box of the calculator, what value do we have to enter? IV of the strike price mentioned in the option chain or India VIX value?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, you can. You can use the Implied volatility of ATM strike and see what kind of results you’d get.

160. Amit says:

Using B&S calculator, if I want to calculate option greeks of strike of 14300 PE, and spot nifty is 14600, in volatility, what should I put?
IV of the strike price i.e. 14300 PE or the IV of ATM i.e. 14600 PE?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

IV of the strike if it’s available, else IV of ATM strike.

161. Darshit says:

Hi Kartik,

Thanks for the wonderful and simplified explanation on the options market.

I was just a little confused on this one:

How did you derive “Ke(-rt)” from the Present value equation. (Present Value = Amount / (1+Discount Rate) ^ Number of years) ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Ah, no derivation. I just used the established formula.

162. Ajay says:

Sir, I tried to calculate price of BANKNIFTY 35700 CE. The spot is 32781.80 and expiry is of coming Thursday, 6 May.
I used the B&S calculator link provided in this chapter.
The premium it calculates is 5.73 but the premium is actually 22.85.
So I tried different strikes of different underlying, but there is always a huge difference like this.
Interest rate I am using is 3.32% as shown on RBI website.
Volatility I am using is IV of strike price given in the option chain.
What is the reason of this discrepancy?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Did you enter the numbers of days to expiry correctly? Ppl usually make a mistake here. Some difference can be attributed to the demand-supply dynamics, but not so much. PLease do double-check the data inputs again.

163. debasish mondal says:

what does “J” mean Sir,you have used it often….just out of curiosity😊…..like the last sentence “which is dedicated to option strategies “J”….😊

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Whenever I type :), it appears as a J. I try to correct it most of the times, but still few of them escape my diligence 🙂

164. Deepak says:

i wanna ask can we get to know IV from nest trader??

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Nope. Btw, NEST trader is no longer available.

165. Deepak says:

I wanna can we get IV from nest trader

166. Ravi Saini says:

HI AGAIN Karthik! Why in the example we kept the dividend zero even though above its going ex divedend of rs 4 ..so 4 should be the dividend…..Also I have another question why the volatility is not kept in absolute decimal form and is always kept in percentage ….Is there any mathematical logic behind it or just for the ease of calculation ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Ravi, index dividends are considered 0. Volatility is expressed as a %, hence.

167. Ravi Saini says:

Also i would like to know, in case of index what should be the dividend?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Index dividend is 0.

Hello Karthik,

Once again, wonderful work. I believe you have mastered the art of ELI5, albeit i havent and hence pardon me for the lengthy post, once again! 🙂

I went through the White Paper which you had linked in the Vega Chapter (https://www1.nseindia.com/content/indices/white_paper_IndiaVIX.pdf). And after going through that it is evident that the Implied Volatility (If NSE is calculating every contracts IV via the same formula) is a function f(spot_price, risk_free_rate, bid_ask_mid_point, dividend, ……). But the point to note here is that the only TRUE variables in this equations are spot_price and bid_ask_mid_point. So in effect were i to see the B&S model from mathematical point of view

-> B&S model, a partial diff eq, takes spot_price, strike_price, expiry_date, dividend, risk_free_rate and implied_volatility(this in itself a function of many of the variables mentioned in this list) as input and spits out the greeks and the premium values, and this is happening at NSE real time, correct?
-> Would i be wrong in saying, well mathematically speaking, that the premiums are nothing but a function of spot_price and bid_ask_mid_point(of the contract being traded) effectively? Or are there other variable which you think i missed identifying?
-> You as a professional trader, have you ever wondered of the possibility that NSE might change the pricing model from B&S to a new way of calculation, such as this maybe.. https://www.weareworldquant.com/en/thought-leadership/beyond-black-scholes-a-new-option-for-options-pricing/? If not NSE, then maybe, I, as a trader can look at premium pricing in this light and hope for light down the tunnel . ….

Eagerly waiting
Best

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Premium is a function of many things running simultaneously –

1) Changes in the spot price
2) Rate of change of spot price
3) Volatility
4) Time left for expiry
5) Demand and supply (liquidity)

NSE might not change but as a trader, you can use this and develop insights that might help you get a better perspective of trades.

169. Ravi Saini says:

Why while calculating historical volatility or calculating realized volatility, we often take the annualized data and not data of more than 1 year ? Any specific logic ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

It just makes life easy 🙂

170. Jay Dhole says:

Where is the calculator located?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I’d suggest you take a look at Sensibull website.

171. aryan jain says:

While calculating greeks should i use the 10% interest rate as used by nifty or the 91 t bill interest rate? also while using the sensibull calculator, it calculates the implied volatility by itself, However the implied volatility calculated by sensibull is different from that as seen on nse website. SO which implied volatility should i pay attention to, the one on nse or the one calculated by sensibull ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I’m not really sure how Sensibull is doing this, I’d suggest you get in touch with them on this.

172. kevin says:

the implied volatility given in nifty options chain is of which time period?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I think it was around the time the article was written, around 3-4 years ago.

173. faiz ahmed patel says:

Sir, how and where do we get these delta value and other Greeks.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Check sensibull’s website for this.

174. Soham Pandkar says:

Hi Karthik, hope you are doing well.
My query is regarding the Option Pricing calculator. I used the one Zerodha has provided.
Now the thing is I used it to calculate Bank Nifty option price for 36700 CE (ATM), expiring on 16th Sept 2021 (weekly expiry). The Bank Nifty Spot Price is at 36683.20. According to the calculator, I give all the inputs (Spot, Strike, Implied Volatility, Interest Rate for 91 day T-Bill in 2021, Expiry) it asks EXCEPT for Dividend.
So, after giving the necessary inputs, the calculator gave me an answer of Rs.214 and Rs. 233 as Price for the Call and Put option mentioned above; where as on the Option Chain the Price is shown around Rs. 305 for both Call and Put of the same Strike Price.

So, why is there such a huge difference in price?
Am I missing something here?
Did I take the correct Interest Rate and Implied Vol.?
Has not mentioning the dividend in the calculator created such a huge difference? If so, then what dividend data should I be using to price Bank Nifty Index options?

Awaiting for your guidance, thank you. 🙂

– Soham Pandkar

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I’d suggest you use the B&S calculator in Sensibull to cross-check the rates. The difference exists because of the gap between the fair price (as obtained by B&S calculator) and the market price. But yea, the gap seems like it is on the higher side. So please verify once.

175. Soham Pandkar says:

Hi,
Regarding the above mentioned query, I forgot to ask whether the option is deemed to be overvalued if there is such a huge price difference?

For which models has the calculation of Greeks not been used so far?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

It used/can be used across all option models.

Hi, For which models has the calculation of Greeks not been used so far?

Thanks, but I want to know what models have not been worked on yet.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Ayub, no one can say that. It really depends on your own risk and reward appetite. What works for me, may not work for you.

And what is the latest article that has been worked on?

with malliavin calculus

181. Shiva says:

Hiii karthik sir as you have said when spot moves to 1100 put option gains 100 rs but as per Delta value of -0.5 it’s only going to gain 50 rs so payoff varies with differ of 50 rs is it true?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

When the spot moves, delta changes, which means the new premium will be the old premium plus the new premium.

182. Chetan says:

Sir what is Rho one of the output of the BS calculator

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Sensitivity of option premium wrt to change in interest rate. Not very important in my opinion.

183. Chetan says:

How to set stoploss and target in options… Like we would use price action of the option premium to set stoploss or the price action of the underlying…

184. Chetan says:

Sir, while wrapping off option theory the last thing that came to my mind was “is there any difference when we trade different expiries?? Does it makes a difference??”

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Longer the expiry, higher is the premium Chetan 🙂

185. Dhananjay says:

Nowadays Sensibull is providing us all the data so should I consider using B&S calculator at all? Is there any additional benefit to use B&S calculator over Sensibull?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

You can consider the data from Sensibull.

186. Dhananjay says:

I am getting big difference between outputs of B&S calculator ad actual data shown on NSE option chain. I checked my input many times still issue persists!

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Not sure what’s wrong, but usually it’s the in IV part.

187. Gouri sankar says:

What will be the current interest for now to be put in BS calculator… Not able to find treasury bill rate.. But below NSE chain they have mentioned 10%interest rate taken for IV calculation. Kindly clarify what is current interest rate. RBI rate very confusing.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

10% is on the higher side. I’d think about 6ish%.

188. GOPAL LAHOTI says:

Sir, In B&S, Suppose I want to calculate Greeks of Reliance Ind i.e. 13-04-2022 and Company not announce any dividend in year 2022 then should I pick dividend value of 2021 or what ?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

No, dont. Pick only if the dividend is about to be paid.

189. Ritin says:

Dear Sir,

In reference to the above topic. I am trying to make an option greek calculator in Ms. Excel. But I am not getting answers for all greeks similar to answers calculated by Zerodha online calculator. All answers differ by certain points even after providing the same inputs to my program. Can you please provide me with the formulas which have been used to calculate the greeks, in the Zerodha platform? It will be a great help.

Ritin

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Ritin, I’d suggest you get in touch with Sensibull for this.

190. kartik says:

i didn’t understand how in PCP the put value goes to 100 and also the underlying decreases to 100. can you please explain me in detail about that example.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Put value is the premium, different from the underlying price.

191. Shubhika says:

Let us use this information to calculate the option Greeks for ICICI 280 CE.

Spot Price = 272.7
Interest Rate = 7.4769%
Dividend = 0
Number of days to expiry = 1 (today is 23rd September, and expiry is on 24th September)
Volatility = 43.55%

Here, I have a doubt on IV. We are taking only CE IV and when we see output it shows option premium of both CE and PE. Don’t you think we should take Average of both CE and PE IV.
CE IV – 43.55% and PE IV =49% , Average IV = 46.27%. Don’t we input 46.27% IV to get a Correct PE and CE premium.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

All else equal, the IV of both CE and PE should be same, but it varies because of demand-supply mismatch. I’m not sure about taking averages, have never given it a thought 🙂

192. Shubhika says:

Hi,

How do we know that IV will increase or decrease in future. Suppose TCS has a IV of 50% as compare with historical volatility. I got to know that TCS IV has increased but how will i find that it will not increase more in future. Forecast IV through GARCH models, Is the only option to get to know that in near Future TCS IV will not increase above 50%. Is there any other way to find that information.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Do check that video I shared earlier, I have tried to explain the same.

193. Naresh Sindhwal says:

Hai
Mr. Karthik.
I have completed option theory module.
Now reading others as well from start.
Really happy and impressed the way you are explaining topics.

I have a problem with greeks calculator.
I have put india VIX in volatility% and also tried nifty strike price IV.
1)Interest rate i have put RBI 91 day rate.
But still the call and put price the calculator shows
Doesn’t match the option chain.

2)And why zerodha is not providing live greeks?

3) I have seen in your introduction that you will be educating in various cities regarding stock market. Please let me know are you conducting any workshops for option trading, or do you know anyone/institution who conduct workshops for option trading.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

What you get from option calculator is the fair price and what you see in option chain is the market price, hence will be slightly different. I’d suggest you check with Sensibull for live greeks. If we are doing workshops, we will surely announce on social media. Please do keep track there.

194. Tushar says:

How can I calculate all of them can I get a formulas

• Karthik Rangappa says:

You can use any Black & Scholes calculator for this.

195. krishna says:

Dear Sir.,
How to find an option premium which are undervalued and options which are overvalued….??..
Can you please explain with any one of the example…?..

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Krishna, you will have to use the Black & Scholes option calculator to figure this.

196. Cleetus says:

To calculate Option Greeks for Call Option, Implied Volatility of CE from Option chain is considered. To calculate Option Greeks for Put Option, Implied Volatility of PE from Option chain should have been considered. But here I notice, IV from CE only has been considered for both the calculations. Will it not yield wrong results for PE Option Greeks and premium?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

You can take ATM CE for approximation/quick and dirty calculation. Of course, taking strike specific volatility gives you an accurate figure.

197. Shuvdeep says:

Is B&S pricing good for currency options as well?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yeah, it is widely used.

198. Sharath says:

Does option prices always follow Black-Scholes model pricing or just demand-supply, Bid-Ask model?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Fair price is based on B&S model, but then market also factors in the demand and supply situation. So the option premium is essentially a combination of all these factors.

Also, do realize if you hold the present value of the strike and hold the same to maturity, you will get the value of strike itself?

sir can u please explain this with example? i have read the present value concept but im not able to connect that info with present value of strike and what is mean by –
(present value of the strike and hold the same to maturity, you will get the value of strike itself), and also.

• Karthik Rangappa says:

This one just the mathematical rearrangement, Prasad.

SIR but still (present value of the strike and hold the same to maturity, you will get the value of strike itself) im not getting it can u please explain by giving any example?

201. Y. POOJARY says:

There is slight difference between the price of call and put option when we use the option calculator to calculate and then compare the same to option chain
thanks!

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, price from calculator is fair price, price you see in option chain is market price.

202. D Boipai says:

Sir, thank you the informative blog on Option Greeks.

Sir, will it be correct to say that movement of SPOT PRICE is driven by “Change in OIs” in Call and Put side only?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Ah no, spot price is also driven by other fundamental factors in the stock 🙂

203. Yaqoot says:

Hi Karthik

I tried using the option Greek zerodha calculator for nifty 50 as of yesterday (1st May’24) but the put option premium is wildly off from the LTP on the option chain as of yesterday. What may be the issue here?

SPOT
22604.85
STRIKE
22600
EXPIRY
2024-05-02 23:59:00
VOLATILITY (%)
16.53
INTEREST (%)
6.92
DIVIDEND
0.0

Calculate

Call Option Premium Put Option Premium Call Option Delta Put Option Delta Option Gamma
117.15 103.73 0.522 -0.478 0.0014
Call Option Theta Put Option Theta Call Option Rho Put Option Rho Option Vega
-29.759 – 25.476 0.640 -0.598 6.665

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yaqoot, what is the market price of the premium? The premium B&S calculator gives is the fair value, market price will be different but it should not be way too off 🙂

204. Darshan H R says:

sir in the example trader A and B
trader B loss some call otion value
how it become a 0 thats become a some less value
i think it is not 0+1200=1200
i think that is like(ex=-20+1200=1180)

• Karthik Rangappa says:

I guess I’ve shared the explanation in the chapter itself. Please do check.

205. Yaqoot says:

Hi Karthik

Wrt my earlier question on the disparity in premiums between B&S calculator and actual premiums, I forgot to paste the actual premium value. So I recalculated for an option for today.
Spot=22473
Strike=22450
Exp 23rd may
India VIX (vol)= 19.8%
Interest rate=6.9885%
Dividend=0.
I get the below values thru B&S calculator.
But when referring to the option chain for NSE Nifty 50, I get LTPs as 152 & 112.
Isnt this a huge difference?

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Yes, thats a massive difference. Usually when this happens, the volatility inputs are not accurate. So do check that.

206. Sathish Kumar says:

Options Greeks calculator for Commodities please

• Karthik Rangappa says:

Noted, will share feedback.