1.1 – Module Orientation
At the onset, let me give you a quick orientation so that you can set your expectations for this module. The focus of this module will be on three main topics –
- Currencies and currency trading
- Understanding Commodities
- Interest Rate Futures
I agree that each of these topics is vast, and commands an entire module on its own. However, these assets are not as liquid as equities. We are still at a very nascent stage when it comes to trading these alternate assets in India. Given this, the idea here would introduce these assets, familiarize you with what drives these assets, and what you need to watch out for before placing your trades. So, in a sense, you could consider this module as a ‘thought-starter’ of sorts for trading these alternative assets. Needless to say, we will try and discuss these topics to a reasonable depth, ensuring you have more than just the bare basics on these topics.
We’ll begin the module by discussing Currencies. We’ll discuss some of the popular currency pairs traded in India such as USD-INR, GBP-INR, and INR-JPY. We also discuss other (non INR) currency pairs such as EUR-USD, GBP-USD, and USD-JPY. The discussion on currencies would be spread across a few chapters. The objective here would be to introduce these currency pairs and familiarize with not just the contract specification but also with a few fundamental factors that affect these currencies.
Once this is done, we’ll move on to the next part of the module. This deal with Commodities. We’ll follow a similar template here – i.e. introduce the commodities (both agri and non-Agri) and get familiarize you with not just the contract specifications but also a few fundamental factors which would influence the movement of these commodities. Some of the commodities we’ll be discussing would be – Gold, Silver, Zinc, Aluminum, Crude oil, Natural Gas, Turmeric, Cardamom, Pepper, Cotton, etc. Of course, the formula to calculate the price of commodities such as Gold, based on the price of Gold in International markets will also be discussed.
Lastly, this module will discuss ‘Interest Rate Futures (IFR)’, which I think is an inspiring space. The discussion would deal with topics related to RBI’s borrowing pattern, issuance of sovereign bonds, listing on NSE, and eventually trading them. Based on how we progress, we can even touch topics related to bond trading and bond trading strategies.
As you see, we have some fascinating stuff lined up. I believe this will be a great learning experience for you, and me!
Please note, the prerequisites for this course –
The above-mentioned topics are essential before learning about currencies. I’d suggest you brush up these topics before proceeding.
Let’s now begin this module by discussing a few basics about currencies.
1.2 – Currency (in)equality
Before we get started on currencies, let me share with you an interesting conversation I had with my 6-year-old daughter. Perhaps this could set a good starting point for our discussion on currencies. 🙂
I had recently been to Austria with my family on vacation. As you can imagine, the country is wonderful. It was my daughter’s first visit to Europe, and she was in complete awe. Needless to say, she was attracted to all the small little stores selling pretty little things. On one of the days while we were there, she forcibly took me to this toy store she spotted off the street, and I knew I was in for trouble. After spending about 5-10 minutes scanning through the shop, she finally picked up a colourful wooden caterpillar, and she wanted me to buy her that. It looked really nice, and I was willing to buy her that until I saw the price! The wooden caterpillar had a 25 Euro price tag. I thought I’d negotiate with her and buy her something else.
I tried telling her that it was 25 Euros, and 25 Euros was quite steep, especially for a tiny wooden caterpillar! She obviously didn’t understand my point and refused to budge from her stance. In fact, she said ‘it’s just 25 Euros’, and I realised that she equated 25 Euros to 25 Rupees, completely oblivious to the fact that she needs to multiply each Euro with 78 to get the exact Rupee equivalent.
However, this got me thinking – why isn’t one Euro or for that matter, one Dollar equal to one Rupee? More generally, why isn’t one unit of currency belonging to country A equivalent to another unit of currency belonging to country B? I understand this may sound very basic, and some of you may already know the answer. Still, I think it is essential to discuss this and understand why the inequality between currencies exists. After all, it is this inequality which allows us to trade the currency pairs.
To understand this, we need to brush up a bit on the history of currencies and how currency trading evolved. Don’t worry; I won’t get into history lessons here; will restrict this to a quick recap :). For the sake of simplicity, let me break this down into different stages for you based on my own understanding of the evolution of currency.
Stage 1 – The Barter era
Before the advent of currencies, transactions occurred through something called the ‘barter system’. A barter system is a ‘method of exchange’ which has existed for many centuries. In a typical barter, people exchange goods for other goods (or services). A classic example would be – say a farmer has harvested cotton, he could exchange (or barter) cotton with another farmer giving him wheat. Similarly, a farmer who has oranges could exchange the oranges he has harvested with someone who agrees to wash his cows and sheep.
The problem with the barter system was the scale and divisibility of the system. For example assume a farmer had 5 bales of cotton and he wants to barter cotton with someone selling cattle, assuming 2 bales for 1 cow, after the barter he’d be left with 2 cows and a bale of cotton. He would certainly not get half a cow for 1 bale of cotton. This caused a divisibility issue within the system.
The scalability was also an issue with the barter system – it required our farmer to travel from one part of the country (with all his produce) to another part of the country to barter for goods of his choice.
Both these issues were eventually overcome with an improved system – Goods for metal.
Stage 2 – Goods for the Metal era
The problems that plagued the barter system eventually paved the way to the next transaction methodology. People tried to invent a common denominator for the ‘exchange’. The common denominator ranged from food grains to metals. But eventually, metals thrived for obvious reasons. The metal was divisible, easily movable, and metal had no issue with shelf life. Further, of all the metals, Gold and Silver were the most popular; therefore, eventually, these metals became the standard for transactions. The direct exchange between gold/silver and goods lasted for many centuries; however, things started to change when people deposited gold and silver coins in safe havens and issued a ‘paper’ against the value of gold. This paper derived its value based on the gold/silver coins deposited in haven.
With time, safe havens evolved to banks and the paper transformed to different currencies. Perhaps this was the start of the book-entry of the currency system.
Stage 3 – The Gold Standard era
Over time, as domestic trade flourished, trading across borders also flourished. Economic sense prevailed, and merchants realized producing everything locally did not make sense. Merchants started exploring cross border trade – simple import and export of goods thrived. This also meant merchants transacting across the border also required to pay for it in a currency that was acceptable across borders. Banking systems also evolved, and somewhere around the late 19th Century exchanging goods for Gold (not silver) became the norm. Valuing the local currency against the value of gold was called the ‘Gold Standard’.
As things progressed, the geopolitical situation changed (world wars, civil wars, cold wars etc.) and so did the economic situation across the world. When it came to cross border transactions, there was an urgent need for merchants to trust one currency and value their own currency against that currency. This was when the ‘Bretton Woods System’ came to the picture. You can read more on the Bretton Woods System.
However, here is a simplified version of the Bretton Woods System (BWS). The BWS was a way of defining the monetary relationship between countries, where the currencies were pegged to USD at a fixed rate while the value of the USD itself was marked against the value of Gold. Countries accepted this system with a room for 1% variation either side (against the pegged value). Needless to say, with BWS in place the USD became the currency the world transacted in, as USD was backed by Gold!
Developed countries slowly withdrew from the BWS system, and eventually, BWS became history. Countries adopted a more market-driven approach, where the market decided the value of one currency against the other. The market drives the value of currencies based on the political and economic landscape of a country versus the other.
This brings us to where we are now.
1.3 – International Currency market (Forex)
Internationally, the national currency trading volume is massive and needs a moment to digest the figure. As per the April 2013 survey conducted by ‘Bank of International Settlement’ (BIS) the size of International Markets stands at $5.4 Trillion! Here is the link for the detailed report. My guess is we could be close to $5.8 – 6 Trillion as of April 2016. If you can imagine, this is roughly 20% higher than the entire Indian annual GDP that gets traded daily!
Probably what really contributes to such massive trading is the fact that currency markets chase the Sun. Currencies are traded across all the major markets, and information flows seamlessly.
To understand what I mean, keep the Indian markets as a reference and think about it. Before Indian markets are open, the Australian, Japanese, Hong Kong, and Singapore markets are open. In fact, we get some overlap with these markets. While the Southeast market closes, Indian markets would have just warmed up with Middle Eastern markets opening up. This leads to the European markets opening up – London, Frankfurt, and Paris being the financial nerve centre of Europe. In fact, Indian markets are situated in a sweet spot as our time zone overlaps with major Southeast Asian markets and the European markets. Finally, the US markets open, followed by the Japanese markets, and the cycle continues 24 hours a day, 6 days a week!
Having said that, the most active time for currencies is when the US, UK, Japanese, and Australian markets are open. This is when the order flow gets brimful.
This leads us to an interesting question – who are these people trading currencies, and why are the notional values so crazy? More importantly, how are currencies traded?
Unlike Equity markets, participation in Forex is not just restricted to investors and traders. The participants in the Foreign Exchange (Forex) markets are many – Central Banks, Corporate, Banks, Travelers, and of course, traders. Each of these participants has their own agenda while participating in the Forex markets. For example, the corporate may be buying/selling USD to hedge their order book, and a traveller maybe buying USD for his travel expense. At the same time, the trader may be just speculating on the movement of the currency. Obviously, since participation comes in from many quarters, the volumes are driven up. More so, Forex trading is highly leveraged, hence the notional value appears large.
There is no centralized International exchange where the Forex transactions take place. Transactions occur at different financial institutions (like NSE in India), and information flows from one platform to another, making it borderless.
1.4 – Currency Pairs and quotes
The standard practice while trading currencies is to trade the currency as a ‘pair’. The value of the pair keeps fluctuating as the trades flow through. An example of the pair could be USD INR or GBP INR. The currency pair has a standard format, as shown below –
Base Currency / Quotation Currency = value
There are three parts here, let’s figure out each one of them –
Base Currency – Base Currency is always fixed to 1 unit of a currency (like 1 US Dollar, 1 Indian Rupee, 1 Euro etc.)
Quotation Currency – Refers to another currency which equates to the base currency (obviously it can be any currency apart from the base currency)
Value – Indicates the value of the Quotation Currency against the Base Currency.
Confusing? Let take an example to make it clearer. Assume USD/INR = 67.
The Base Currency here is USD, and as I mentioned earlier, the Base Currency is always fixed to 1 unit. Hence this is fixed to 1 US Dollar.
Quotation Currency is in Indian Rupees (INR)
Value is 67, which means for 1 unit of Base Currency, i.e. 1 USD, the equivalent quotation currency is 67. In simpler terms $1 = Rs.67.
The most active currency pairs that get traded across the world and its current value as on 3rd June 3, 2016, are as follows –
SL No | Base Currency | Quotation Currency | Pair | Pair Value |
---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Euro | US Dollar | EUR/USD | 1.11 |
2 | US Dollar | Japanese Yen | USD/JPY | 108.94 |
3 | Great Britain Pound | US Dollar | GBP/USD | 1.44 |
4 | Australian Dollar | US Dollar | AUD/USD | 0.72 |
5 | UD Dollar | Canadian Dollar | USD/CAD | 1.31 |
6 | US Dollar | Swiss Franc | USD/CHF | 0.99 |
Now here is the big question – what makes the pairs move? Why do they move? Are there events that influence the pairs?
We will explore this in the next chapter.
Key takeaways from this chapter
- The Gold Standard system of evaluating currencies existed for a long time, but eventually got phased out.
- The currency inequality between currencies exists because of political and economic differences between the two countries.
- By volumes, the currency markets are easily one of the largest.
- The currency markets are open 24 hours, 6 days a week.
- Currency is traded as pairs.
- Currency Pairs have a standard format to include Base Currency and Quotation Currency.
- The Base Currency is always fixed to 1 unit
Hi kartik
I am waiting a lot for this module. This chapter is good and in easy language. Also like your story about how a girl think 25 euro as 25 rupees which exactly equal to 25*78=1950
Glad you liked it 🙂
from daughter story i recall > story of a humble friend of my dad . he fainted on road while visiting his son in US. so public over called up ambulance & was admitted to hospital . he woke up with $5000 hospital bill & gets heart attack lol
I pity him!
Thanks for starting Commodity/Currency module.. waiting for long time
Can you provide calendar date for each chapter .. which chapter published on which date.. because i am visiting Zerodha Varsity almost daily for new chapter, but i didn’t get. 🙁 . because i don’t know schedule of new chapter .
Ravi – setting up a calendar chapter wise is tough. However, I will try and update this as frequently as possible. Thanks.
Good teaching for currency biginers continue it Karthik
Welcome!
Have been waiting for this module for a long time!! Thank you. And thank you for all previous modules as well.
Welcome!
YES!!! Finally!!! been waiting too long!!
🙂
Really excited to read further articles.
Pls end this with some currency trading strategies.
Will do.
Thx wait is over.
I hope the content will be worth your wait 🙂
Gaining something already… Thanx Zerodha….
Cheers!
Hi Karthik,
Good day. This module also really superb.
I think that, the “Interest Rate Futures” short form is “IRF”. But, you typed as “IFR”. Please review the sentence and correct the error.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks for pointing that, will fix it right away !
Hi Kartik,
You have the unique style of simplifying very complex subject….All modules are really absorbing.. Keep posting such a good stuff ! ! We are waiting your modules / chapters like we are waiting for Chetan Bhagat’s novels ! !
🙂
Is forex on cross currency pair legal in India ?
INR denominated pairs are traded on the exchange…and I guess other crosses will also debut soon.
Waiting for pdf modules for 6,8,9,10. All are great modules ever i come across in my life which are in simple language. Hats off to your team.
Glad you liked it 🙂
Module 8 is in progress….9 and 10 are yet to be completed. We are working 1 module at a time, so this will take some time I guess.
Thank you so much for your guidance.
And I wanna know that when you are planning to write about commodities? I am waiting for that for a long time. I wanna start trading in commodities but I don’t have much knowledge about it. Waiting eagerly for commodity module.
Chapter 7 onwards will be commodities.
Hi,
Can you tell me where will get the long term candle stick charts for GBP INR ?
Kite itself should have it, please do check once.
Nitin Ji,
I opened a trading account with zerodha with equity sector (NSE,BSE) enabled only but now I want to avail currency feature in my account in that case what should I do ? Plz help
Thank You
Suggest you speak to our support or email them at [email protected]. Thanks.
Karthik..You are doing some really fantastic work..Deserves hearty appreciation..I see a book getting published in the very near future..
Is there any way we can contribute to Zerodha Varsity?
Thanks for the kind words Neeraj. Book of a different kind maybe 🙂
Yes, of course you can contribute. Please do let us know your thoughts.
Why do we need to maintain two seperate accounts for Equaties and Commodities? Why both of these two accounts not get merged?
Yes, as they are traded in 2 separate exchanges.
Is it possible to trade in eur/usd or anything else like that i mean cross currency in zerodha ?
This cross is not yet available on the exchange. The moment its made available, you can trade this with us.
If I have already booked profit in january 2017 can I square off february2017 usd/inr currency future in january2017 ?
Yes, you can.
Can I tade in february 2017 usd/inr future in the month december2017 ?
Can I tade in february 2017 usd/inr future in the month december 2016
Of course, you can.
Hey Karthik, Can you clarify something to me
If I have bought 1 lot (1000 units) usd/inr @ Rs 68 which means I have bought 1000 usd at rs 68 each . If the price increases to Rs 69 each it means the value of indian rupee is decreasing and I am making profit of rs 1000 as I have purchased usd on lower price and selling on higher. Is it correct?
Hey Karthik, One more thing can I short usd/inr ? if yes then do i need to square off on the same day or I can carry it until expiry ?
Yes, you can short the USD INR pair. Since you are shorting the futures, you can carry the position till the end of expiry.
Yes, thats how it works!
Hi Karthik, In my market watch addition toolbar it is showing NSE, BSE, CDS ok. Now I know CDS for currency but what I don’t no is that the future contracts under this are from NSE or BSE ? Can you tell me how to determine wheather the currency futures are under NSE or BSE.
In the next column, select NSE as exchange…and you will see only NSE contracts.
Hi there
On 30.12.2016(Friday) I bought 1lot USD/INR Jan 2017 currency future and untill 5.00pm I was having a loss of 27.5 but when on next day morning 31.12.2016(Saturday) I checked it was showing a loss of 182.5. How is this possible ?
You must have seen the last traded price, which is different from the daily closing prices. Check this – https://tradingqna.com/19658/there-difference-between-last-trading-price-closing-price?show=19658#q19658
Hey there, Suppose I am trading 2 lots of usd/inr and my free cash becomes nil (Zero) what would happen then ? Plz guide me
It is always advisable to have some free cash in your trading account. Comes in handy when the position goes against you and you are required to top up your margins.
What is the time duration of currency market in zerodha I mean from which day to which day and also the market hours ? Is it open on saturday ?
Exchange timings for currency is from 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM, Monday to Friday.
Hi Kartik,
But you said currency market works 24 hours 6 days a week. Does this mean timing from different exchanges?
These are mainly market makers, Ritesh. Not the contracts offered on the exchanges.
why I am seeing live trading today (saturday 7.1.2017) is it virtual trading for practise ?
Must be a mock trading session.
If I buy USD/INR JAN17 currency future then
i. What will be the expiry day of any currency ? in my case its usd/inr
ii. If I don’t want to sell on that day instead I want to convert my position to USD/INR Feb17, Is it permissible if yes what criteria I have to follow in doing this ?
1) Expiry date is mentioned in the contract, you can see it when you select the same.
2) You will have to rollover. Meaning, you choose to let the Jan position expire and initiate the same position.
Pls correct me on this
usdinr future 1Qty = 1000 units
gbpinr future 1Qty = 1000 units
eurinr future 1Qty = 1000 units
jpyinr future 1Qty = ? units
Its 100,000. Check the details here – http://zerodha.com/varsity/chapter/eur-gbp-and-jpy/
What do u think is better to trade… F&O of nifty 50 & bank nifty or the commodity and currency market.
considering the liquidity and the manipulation factor..
Frankly, the choice of instruments does not really matter. It all depends on how you trade the instrument.
Suggestion: All the images, charts, graphs etc., if they are numbered according to the module/ chapter number, I feel , referring them would be easier. Another thing is, why this module on currency was not allowed to download as pdf. Thanks
Thanks for pointing that, guess we missed preparing the PDF. Will do the needful. Thanks.
Thank You for all the resources . These all are very helpful. It would be added advantage if could please make the resources from module 8 to be available in pdf form.
I agree. We will do this shortly.
Nitin Sir , When will be Cross Currency pair like GBP/USD, EUR/USD available for trading ?
RBI has given the permission, should be rolled out soon I guess.
Sir, Why I am not able to see JPY/INR July17 and August17 future although I am able to see rest of the Currency Pairs. Attaching image plz help.
Image- [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/e9hnoy.png[/IMG]
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Direct Link- http://i66.tinypic.com/e9hnoy.png
There are no trades in this contract, Mayank. Check this – https://www.nseindia.com/live_market/dynaContent/live_watch/get_quote/GetQuoteCID.jsp?underlying=JPYINR&instrument=FUTCUR&expiry=29AUG2017&key=FUTCURJPYINR29AUG2017–31MAR2017&type=-&strike=-
dear sir,
PDF book links are not provided for last two chapters…will be convenient if provided so as like for previous chapters.
Thank u.
Yes sir, we are working on it.
is any strategy or technical tool for knowing currency direction
You can apply all TA concepts for currencies as well.
Hi Karthik,
You wrote most of the movement happens When US , UK market is open, however 5pm Indian currency market will get closed however US Market opens at 6:30pm so the major activity in price will be missed . Is this assumption correct.
~MM
This is more applicable for commodities. However look for currency moves post EU markets open…which is roughly 13:30 IST.
Hi Karthik,
My currency pair expired without me closing the position, i was not aware that i need to close the position by 12:30pm on the expiry date thought i can close it 30 minutes prior to the currency market close, Now when i place the order it says the contact has matured…. Can you please let me know how this would pan out.. will my contract get squared off at the closing price or there is any other provision in such scenario, please advise. Thank you.
-MM
You will get the settlement price of the expiry.
why chapters after 7 are not in PDF form?
Module 8 PDF will be up in a day or 2. Module 9 will be up after the module is done.
Can you provide pdf of module 8 and 9?
Module 8 should be up today. 9 will be uploaded once the module is completed.
Hi,
I think you forgot about the Interest Rate Futures. I have been waiting for that part.
Thanks
I was told that the liquidity is not much and hardly any trading participation there. Given this, I was not too keen to spend time writing about it. Perhaps, I will do that sometime later this year.
Sir
when i try to trade GBP/INR futures in kite it always shows me 0-0 ask-bid even though currency market is open and trading. Please advise
Maybe you are looking at the 2nd month contract where the trading activity is low. Can you please double check this once? Thanks.
Hi Sir.. recently I saw that upstox has launched scanner that generates algorithm based backtested strategies for novice users. Is sends buy and sell signals based on strategies..do we at ZERODHA also have such a tool .. or planning to come up with some thing on these lines pls advice
No buy sell signal of sorts, but do check this – https://screener.smallcase.com/welcome
Hello Karthik,
Your modules are excellent. I just wanted to know if you will make any module on mutual funds
Its on the cards, Aniket.
Hi sir,
Can we trade currency in option can you guide me how to do it?? procedure in placing order
Yes, you can. But the currency option contracts are only on USD INR pair. Check this – https://zerodha.com/varsity/chapter/the-usd-inr-pair-part-2/
Respected Sir,
What is crypto currencies? please make platform for crypto currencies at zerodha for trading if possible……..thanks……..
It will be available on Zerodha as soon as it starts trading on NSE 🙂
Where to do currency trading ? from where the amount will get deducted from equity or commodity ?
or is there any separate CDS trading account . Please guide .
YOu can trade currencies on Kite. Will be deducted from Eq. No separate CDS account required.
Is foreign currency pair trading like usdjpy, eurusd in foreign exchanges legal or illegal?
I guess RBI has given the approval for this. Not sure when the exchanges will take this live.
getting launched in BSE from Jan 27th . cross currency pairs… should be interesting as they have good volumes with low transaction charges in Currency
OOPS Feb 27th. Link below :
https://www.bseindia.com/markets/MarketInfo/DispNoticesNCirculars.aspx?Noticeid=%7BC1E52CE8-7AEC-4AB1-8155-BD785AC8DA48%7D¬iceno=20180223-16&dt=02/23/2018&icount=16&totcount=19&flag=0
https://www.bseindia.com/markets/currencyDerivatives/CurrDeriArchiveSum.aspx?expandable=4
Hmm, true.
THERE IS DEFINITELY CLASS IN ALL YOUR MODULES AND VIDEOS THAT YOU PROVIDE WHICH WHEN COUPLED WITH KITE AND PI IS DEFINITELY AUGMENTING THE KNOWLEDGE AND BOOSTING THE CONFIDENCE OF THE NEW TRADERS. BEST WISHES TO THE ENTIRE TEAM.
All the very best, Prakash! Happy learning 🙂
I always wondered how currency can be issued against gold. Shouldt it be good & services produced by the country?! Pls suggest a book on Forex history! Thanks! 🙂
I’m really sure if there is a book on the history of foreign exchange, maybe you can suggest the same to me if you happen to find a good book 🙂
Happy learning!
Hi, is there any plan for NCDEX platform in future? KapasKhali & SoyaRefine is missing.
Not sure about this, Saeed.
As Like MCX Gold option Zerodha also failed to give the facilities to their cleint Cross Currency Trading
There are quite a few issues with cross currency pairs, Mithun. We will start the same soon.
For how long can I short usd/in futures.
I’ve been going through charts for a while now,
Can I short currency at 66.25 on 20/10/2017 and buy it back at 63.20 on 15/2/2018 with 15 lots
Can I short such huge price change for such a long duration.
Is it practically possible?
What is recommended?
Although there are long-dated futures, it may not be practical to trade them as the liquidity is quite low. It is best you stick to the current month contract and keep rolling over the same.
Can any Client gues that Zerodha will ever be able to give the facilities to trade cross currency & MCX gold option. I think that Zerodha never can do this.
Mithun – I really don’t have a timeline on this. All I can say is that we will eventually have these contracts on our platform. Hopefully really soon.
Hello sir, thank you for such a good explanation.
REQUEST :
1. KITE does not show Reference RBI USD/INR. However, it shows future. But future is misguiding for any position. Please add the reference currency.
2. Can you please make strategy / spreads calculator?
The feed has to come from NSE, Virendra. However, I’ll check the same again.
Will do that sometime soon. Thanks.
Thank you for your prompt reply
Welcome!
However, NSE option chain page shows us the Reference RBI.
It does, I’m guessing NSE is getting a feed from RBI and they have restriction redistributing that data.
I see. Thank you.
Sir currency pair chart in foreign exchange are continuous where as in india there is lot of gapup and gap down.
So whether we should trade based on indian chart or foreign exchange chart?
I’d suggest you look at the charts here as eventually the trades too would get placed on the exchanges here.
Exchanges has started trading for cross currency pairs (EUR/USD, GBP/USD……) even i can see the quotes on Kite platform. But Zerodha team denies saying that its not yet live.
Why is it taking so much of time to go live. To my knowledge, exchange houses have waive off transaction charges till Aug 2018 to encourage the trade in cross currency pairs
When it is gonna be active @ Zerodha ??
Varun, we are testing this internally. We will go live with this very soon
Please let me know the procedure to buy gold (commodities) in Zerodha. Also the detailed information for commodities.
The procedure to buy Gold is pretty much the same as buying stocks. By the way, this entire module is dedicated to learning about commodities.
if we buy some stock currency usdinr and sell on same days. how many time in one day we can do it and how many charges for that trading
Swati, you can do this as many times as you want. Each time you do, a brokerage of Rs.20 is applicable per leg. But my advice – trading multiple times a day does not mean you make more profits, it simply means you are over trading, which is not really the best thing to do 🙂
Can we trade BSE weekly USDINR options in Zerodha? I can’t add them in watchlist. Please suggest.
I am not able to trade cross currency pairs… actually iam not able add these pairs eg: gbpusd , eurusd, usdjpy.. please help.
Its not available with Zerodha yet.
Hi good evening Karthik. Are cross currency pairs ( like EUR/USD, GBP/USD, USD/JPY, EUR/JPY etc ) available in India for spot trading. I mean not through derivatives. Thanks
Nope, there is no spot market for this. Only derivatives.
Thank you Karthik for the response.
I have a situation here and hope you can guide me. I am an NRI and trading above mentioned pairs on spot forex, with good success rate. Depending on spot data available, I will open a trade, gain ( 10 – 15 pips per trade X N number of lots ) and close the deal, normally with in 2-3 hours of opening the trade.
Now I will be relocating to India and will become Resident Indian. So for me spot forex will not be available and I have to trade on derivatives only. Can you please clarify on following 2 points.
1. As I don’t have much understanding about derivatives, can you pls suggest 1/2 good sites from where I can understand mechanism of Currency Derivatives and how do they work?
2. Is it possible to apply above mentioned 10-15 pip strategy in currency derivatives too and close the trades in 2-3 hours from opening?
Thanks & Regards.
1) Zerodha Varsity itself :). Start from here – https://zerodha.com/varsity/module/futures-trading/ , although its mainly on Stock futures, the core working remains the same
2) Yup, this is possible.
Hello sir
I am CA final student and forex and derivative is important part of our curriculum..
You told $/₹ = 67/68 but in my books they often quote price like this ₹/$ 59/60 and told that we can buy one $ for 60rs your quotation is diffrent
This depends on the current market price at which the USD INR is trading 🙂
Where to fund money to trade in currency?
Equity or commodity…..
You can use the funds section within Kite.
Hi.. I want to open currecty trading account what is the process… It’s come under equity or any other one… Kindly clarify
It is a separate segment. Suggest you click through this to open your account – https://zerodha.com/?ref=varsity
Hello Team,
I hold the Zerodha account. I have query related to FX trade.
I want to invest some INR 10000 to purchase Venezuelan Bolivar(VEF). Could you please assist me on this?
Thanks
Pankaj
Unfortunately, this cannot be done as the USD/VEF pair is not available on the exchanges.
Hello ,
Why I am not able to sell gbp/inr May futures, earlier it was possible. I have sufficient margins with me. Now what is the problem.
Thank you.
What error is the system throwing up?
from where can i look at the underlying chart for USDINR? because in futures contracts I am not able to look at more than 1 year of candles.
We dont have continuous charts on currencies yet, maximum look back is 1 year, Abhishek.
Hello,
can you pls include in next chapter the Tax rayes of USDINR in future currency .I can’t calculate it
Tax rayes?
Hi Karthik,
Good day! I see comments from June 2018 saying Zerodha will be rolling out cross currency pairs ‘soon’ and that you’re testing stuff internally? It’s June 2019 now, so would you be able to kindly offer any update? Would be a welcome boost if Zerodha can make this available. Reading price action on the INR pairs over the last few months has been very challenging with no clear trend either way. It seems the “non-price factors” such as fundamentals, Nifty/Sensex movements, oil price movements that drive INR pairs have a lot more influence on how it moves. Any suggestions on how to get a better grasp of the trading the INR pairs? I’ve tried both positional and scalping and failing miserably. I find the price action on the cross-currency pairs are more easily readable. Thanks!
Of course, the fundamentals play a huge role in driving the price. By the way, why do you call them non-price factors? These are core price factors. I think positional trades are far better than scalping. I’d suggest you stick to that and try to better your trades.
Cross currencies, frankly I don’t have visibility yet.
Sorry, could’ve termed it better than “non-price” factors. I understand fundamentals are the foundation of price movements. What I really meant to say is that when I’m trading the Nifty or a stock , 7 or 8 out of 10 times I see it respect certain price levels within a structure. With the USD INR these price levels on market structure is really quite random (very difficult to find an edge), especially when day trading and hence one gets the feel that the prices are reacting to something else, than what one is seeing on the chart. Positional trades the USD INR has been all over the place, it gaps up, gaps down every other day.
Anyway thanks for your inputs, it’s a real shame that cross currencies can’t be expedited.
The gaps are due to the illiquid nature of the contract. In fact, price levels and all of its variants work beautifully well when there is liquidity in the market/instrument. Trust me, cross currency pairs are even worse in terms of liquidity. Frankly, you aren’t missing much, especially if your agenda is to find short term trades in these contracts. However, please don’t mistake me for justifying why the contract is not available yet on our platform.
I see, thanks for clarifying Karthik.
Good luck!
What are brokerage charges on forex futures in zerodha?
Rs.20 per executed orders. You can check this – https://zerodha.com/brokerage-calculator
Hindi me kare
Strange !
Today when I opened my account at 7.00 AM some of my positions were missing in my position list. I give below the details.
Currency Options
December Expiry:
60 Lot of 73 PE was missing, 60 Lots of 73 CE was there
60 Lot of 72.5 CE was missing, 60 Lots of 72.5 PE was there
60 Lots of 71.5 PE was missing, 60 Lots of 71.5 CE was there
29th Nov Expiry:
205 Lots of 72 PE was missing, 205 lots of 72 CE was there
205 lots of 71.5 PE was missing, 205 Lots of 71.5 CE was there
Any specific reason for this strange missing. Its scary!!!!
Ah, must be because of some backend process running. Don’t worry about it.
Yah List was fine by 8.30 AM. Thanks.
Yup, it would be.
sar hindi me transalte karado na please
Hi Sachin, हम उन पर काम कर रहे हैं, बाकि के मॉड्यूल भी जल्द ही उपलब्ध होंगे।
Working on it.
Can you Provide Module 8 in Hindi, and also the following modules 9,10,…..
Hi Sushil, We are working on the 8th module in Hindi, the rest of the modules will also be published in the coming days. 🙂
Working on it, Sushil.
Sir inkao bhi hindi main kijiye
sir aage ke chapter hindi me translate kijiye pls
Hi Karthik,
I wanted to ask that is it permissible to to spread trading in currency. Ex The difference between the near month and middle month contract of EURINR is barely 0.1000, and on expiry it goes as high as 0.3000. So taking this into consideration, my profit will be around 0.1500 at least and of course the margin required for spread contracts is very low. I am not exaggerating but I want to start With a medium amount but my target is to reach 10000 to 15000 lots. I know that I may face liquidity issues but still I wanted to know your opinion for this. Also I wanted to know that do the various regulation authorities allow this. Thank you so much!!
Yes, you can spread trade currencies. Here is a starting point for you – https://zerodha.com/varsity/chapter/calendar-spreads/
I think liquidity for the size you are talking about should not be an issue.
Can we do forex(cross currency) trading from foreign broker and they accept deposits in inr so i dont have to send outside india.
Is this type of trading legal?
Not allowed in India.
Hello ,
I was not aware that i need to close the currency position by 12:30pm on the expiry date, now when i try to exit the trade, it is rejected and i get message 16280 : The security has matured, what does this mean and what will happen next.
Thank You.
Arvind Singh
It means that the contract has expired and based on the expiry price, your position will be settled.
Can a retail trader allowed to trade in OTC currency marrket in India?
Not possible, Sumit.
I ALSO GOT SAME PROBLEM. BUT WITCH PRICE IT WILL SETTLE AND HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE
The security has matured
How do out of the money currency contracts get settled? Is it similar to Nifty otm options like they just become worthless or is there any other procedure. A little detailed answer will be very much appreciated.
OTM options expiry worthless anyway, so there is no settlement.
Hello sir,
Is it the direct quote, if USD/INR = Rs. 67, is been written?
Or what is this quote, if pair value is INR/USD = Rs. 67 ?
USD/INR = 67 means that for every 1 USD, you get 67 INR.
INR/USD means, for every 1 Rupee, how many USD can you get? You can calculate by dividing 1/67 = 0.014.
Hello,
Great module! Very informative
I’m not sure if this is the correct place to ask this, but are the non-INR currency pairs traded in India?
I tried looking it up on Kite, but none of them exist.
Thank you for having such amazing content on Varsity!
They do, Vedant. Things like EUR USD, JPY USD etc are listed. However, we are not live on that yet.
Hi Karthik
Module says that we take up to 4 figures after the decimal. But when I google USD/INR it shows upto 2 figures after decimal. WHY ??
Please look up on Kite for the quote.
Hi Karthik
Like in currency can we also directly trade the spread in equity shares and get rid of dealing with contract
Soon, you’ll be.
Hi, Is currency is coming under commodity? Why I am asking, I am interested in currency, but while opening kite account, it’s is asking separately for equity and commodity…
No, the currency is CDS segment, which is separate.
Hey can you please tell me the accounting and the taxability of currency derivatives
You’d need to speak to a CA for this 🙂
One question 😀
Did you finally but the wooden caterpillar or not?
Well, it is hard to negotiate with daughters, I had to give in 🙂
Thank you for sharing this Karthik, Good learning experience.
Happy learning!
OUT OF 200+ CURRENCIES EXISTING ACROSS THE GLOBE. WHY ONLY FEW ARE SELECTED FOR TRADING. WHY CURRENCIES OF MICRO COUNTRIES ARE IGNORED.
Depends on the market, Priyank. Most of the important world currencies are already traded.
I am having trading a/c with Zerodha.
I wish to trade in Currency Market,guide me or ask a person to contact me.
M 9375383939
What sort of guidance do you need?
Thanks a lot for a very informative & precise blog.
Happy learning.
It’s just like …showing the ocean to childrens by a school teacher. 😂😂this isn’t done n injustice to varsity.
Sorry, I dint understand that 🙂
Can I buy INR to US Dollar, then convert the US Dollar to Euro, and then Euro to INR.
YOu can do this offline, not sure if you can do this via the exchanges.
Very nicely written .. Thank you for your effort.
Happy reading, Syed!
Is currency trading illegal in India under FEMA / as per RBI Guidelines?
No, as long as you trade the currencies which are listed on the exchanges.
For a begineer like me it is a wonderful piece to start with. Please add further knowledge/information
Happy learning, Sudipto!
Do we need to activate the commodity section to trade currencies or funds in Equity is enough to trade currencies?
Just funds in EQ is good enough.
If we sell/write currency option, at expiry (monthly/weekly) do I need to buy it back or I can just leave it at expiry? The profit would then be automatically credited into my account?
If its OTM by expiry, then you can leave it as such.
Hello karthik.
Among Forex, Options, Commodity, Which is more risky ??
They say currency trading runs 24 hours. But here at zerodha it works from 9:15 am to 5.00 pm.
Where can i do currency trading when Asian session Opens at midnight ???
And
What is the timing of commodity trading in zerodha ??
Thanks
All these are risky instruments. 24hrs is international, but that’s not permitted in India. You can trade what’s available in the Indian exchange. On Zerodha you can trade all commodities available on MCX.
dear karthik
will you suggest me some platform where i can trade currency 24*7 especially after 6 pm in india ?
kite allow me till 5 pm.
regards
None of them are legal in India, Kaushal.
In the varsity app, even there is a card by name “Seasonality Results for USD INR” after the card of “Currency Pair & Quotes”.
Why it wasn’t included here and also the information which was available in this particular card is not that easily understandable because it was directly started by mentioning models without the introduction of models like (M,N,N) & (M,N,M)
It would be better if you could clarify this
Checking this, Jeevan.
Currency market is open for 24 hour but in zerodha currency trading time is 9 to 5 right? So why there is written 24 hour for currency market?
Can we trade more currency pairs in India other than base currency being INR and EURUSD, USDJPY, GBPUSD?
Nope, you can trade only what’s listed on the recognised stock exchange in India i.e. BSE and NSE.
Hi Karthik Sir ,
The currency markets are open 24 hours, 6 days a week ( mentioned in a module ). If i check on google and confirmed with two
or three brokers . They quoted ” standard time for trading forex in india between 9 AM to 5 PM . So , how can i trade in nights
when US market opens .
YOu can only trade in the Indian markets (CDS segment), international forex markets are not available for Indians to trade.
Nice article
Sir ,
We can do BTST trades on Zerodha Kite …
For the same which product type do we use
… Is it Regular and CNC or regular and MIS ??
For BTST, you need to opt for CNC.
Karthik can you recommend good book for currency trading, which covers the list of factors which influence currency movement
Ah, I’m not really sure of any. Its been a while since I read a book on CDS.
Does zerodha Levi or pay swap charges on currency trade ??
Nope. There is no such thing in retail broking.
Which chart to analyze for USDINR rates?
This confuses me a lot as kite has futures chart and no spot reference. I view chart on trading view, but there are many charts regarding usdinr. Please shed some light on this as well.
YOu will have to use the futures chart, Dhananjay.
So should we take the options position based on usdinr futures chart?
Yes, sure you can.
Is spot currency trading allowed for retail investors or Only derivatives?
No spot market for currencies.
Why Zerodha is not having rollover facility…. especially in currency trading….I have lost my money many times because of this ..where rollover would have saved me….pls keep rollovers in Zerodha kite ….
What exactly do you mean by a ‘rollover feature’, Sarvesh?
Sir, which spot chart does USDINR follows, I find only futures chart and can’t look back at previous years data.
And why are the expiry so long , up to 1 years.
There is no spot market that is available for retail, but the banks do transact. USD INR Futures follows that market.
Can I use USDINR forex chart for trading NSE USDINR.
You can, maybe draw inferences on trend etc.
hi. I am a beginner can i buy and hold currencies in zerodha or is it just forwards.
Its just currency futures contract, Aditya.
Nice article, its concise and well-crafted content will provide you with all the necessary insights into currency trading.
Happy learning!
For US Dollar u have written UD Dollar
How to trade eurusd in India is it legal
Sir how is the value of currency decided? and how can we get to know the true value of the currency( like how have we come to a conclusion that 1USD is 67 or 82 currently??
The value is derived from markets, Anshul.
And also when u say this
(“To understand what I mean, keep the Indian markets as a reference and think about it. Before Indian markets are open, the Australian, Japanese, Hong Kong, and Singapore markets are open. In fact, we get some overlap with these markets. While the Southeast market closes, Indian markets would have just warmed up with Middle Eastern markets opening up. This leads to the European markets opening up – London, Frankfurt, and Paris being the financial nerve centre of Europe. In fact, Indian markets are situated in a sweet spot as our time zone overlaps with major Southeast Asian markets and the European markets. Finally, the US markets open, followed by the Japanese markets, and the cycle continues 24 hours a day, 6 days a week!” )
How is it different from equity market?? even in the equity market, banks and corporates are involved right?? (equity market)Open and function almost at similar times
Overtime, all markets are 24/7, and hence applicable to equities and commodities as well 🙂
Sir
If the value of currency is derived from markets. Then does that mean value is completely based on demand and supply and there are no other parameters like we have in equity markets(eg P/E ratios etc)
Demand and supply, which itself is a funtion of the the underlying fundamentals of both the economies.
Does I can trade usd/jpy
Greetings Karthik sir..!!
Why dont you start a module on crypto trading as well. I just love the way you explain complex things in a very easily by taking examples..
Its not my cup of tea 🙂
What is the training time for Forex trading in zerodh app….
What training time are you referring to?