# How to use the option calculator?

To learn more about options, check out this module on Varsity.

**The Framework**

In this three part series, we introduced the Option Greeks in the first post. In the second post, we discussed the practical Application of Option Greeks with respect to options trading.

In this concluding post, we will understand the usage of an option calculator. An option calculator is a tool which helps you calculate the Greeks, i.e., the delta, gamma, theta, vega, and rho of an option. Along with the calculation of the option Greeks, the option calculator can also be used to calculate the theoretical price of an option (also called fair value of an option’s premium) and the implied volatility of the underlying.

The option calculator uses a mathematical formula called the Black-Scholes options pricing formula, also popularly called the ‘Black-Scholes Option Pricing Model’. This is probably the most revered valuation model in Economics, so much so that its publishers (Robert C. Metron and Myron Scholes) received a Nobel Prize in Economics in 1997.

Briefly, the framework for the pricing model works like this:

- We feed the model with a bunch of inputs
- Inputs include: Spot price, Interest rate, Dividend, and the number of days to expiry. Along with these mandatory inputs, we also input either the price of the option or the implied volatility of the underlying,
**but not both**.

- Inputs include: Spot price, Interest rate, Dividend, and the number of days to expiry. Along with these mandatory inputs, we also input either the price of the option or the implied volatility of the underlying,
- The pricing model churns out the required mathematical calculation and gives a bunch of outputs
- The output gives us the value of Option Greeks. Along with the Option Greeks, we also get
**one**of the following:- The Implied volatility of the underlying, provided one of the input is the option price or
- The theoretical value of option’s premium, provided the input is the implied volatility of the underlying

The illustration below gives the schema of a typical options calculator:

Let us inspect the input side:

**Spot Price**– This is the price at which the underlying is trading. Note, we can even replace the spot price by the futures price. We use the futures price when the option contract is based on futures as its underlying. Usually, commodity and in some cases currency options are based on futures. For equity option contacts, always use the spot price.**Interest Rate**– This is the risk-free rate prevailing in the economy. Use the RBI 91 day Treasury bill rate for this purpose. As of September 2014, the prevailing rate is 8.6038% per annum.**Dividend**– This is the dividend expected per share in the stock, provided the stock goes ex-dividend within the expiry period. For example, today is September 11 and you wish to calculate the option Greeks for the ICICI Bank option contract. Assume ICICI Bank is going ex-dividend on September 18 with a dividend of Rs. 4. The expiry for September series is September 25. In this situation you need to give an input of Rs. 4.**Number of days to expiry**– This the number of calendar days left to expiry.**Volatility**– This is where it gets a little confusing, so I suggest you pay extra attention. As mentioned earlier, along with option Greeks you can use the option calculator to calculate either the implied volatility of the underlying or the theoretical option price but not both at the same time**If you wish to calculate the theoretical option price**as one of the desired outputs, then volatility has to be one of the inputs. For Nifty option contracts, use the India VIX index value. Alternatively, if you have a view on volatility from today to expiry, you can input that as well. You can do the same thing for stocks.

**Option Price, also called the ‘Actual Market Value’**–**If you wish to calculate the implied volatility of the underlying**you need to input actual market value data. The actual market data is simply the price at which the option is trading in the market.

Once these inputs are fed to Black-Scholes option pricing model, the model churns out the math to give us the required output. The logic on which Black-Scholes model works is quant heavy involving concepts of stochastic calculus. For a quick introduction on the working of a Black-Scholes model, I’d encourage you to watch this video.

We get the following values on the output side:

- Delta
- Gamma
- Theta
- Vega
- Rho

Along with the Greeks, the output includes either the implied volatility of the underlying or the theoretical option price.

**Option Calculator on Zerodha Trader (ZT)**

Keeping the above framework in perspective, let us explore the Option Calculator on Zerodha Trader (ZT). To invoke the option calculator, click Tools –> Option Calculator as shown below. Or you can simply place your cursor on an option scrip and use the shortcut key Shift+O.

This is how the calculator appears on the terminal:

The calculator can be broken down into three sections as shown in the image below:

The top section highlighted in blue is used to select the option contract, this is fairly straightforward.

The left section highlighted in red is the input field. Let us look into this.

We begin by selecting either the ‘Underlying’ or the ‘Futures’ price. I’d suggest you select ‘underlying’ as the default option. Once the underlying has been selected, you need to manually enter the value of the underlying in the ‘Spot Price (in Rupees)’ field.

The next two input fields are ‘Actual Market Value’ and ‘Volatility %’. At this stage you need to decide what the option calculator should calculate for you.

If you want to calculate the ‘fair value of the option premium’ also called the ‘Theoretical Option Price’ then leave the ‘Actual Market Value’ field blank and proceed to enter the volatility data. As I mentioned earlier, for Nifty options use the India VIX index value for the ‘volatility %’ field.

Alternatively, if you want to calculate the volatility of the underlying leave the ‘Volatility %’ blank, but make sure you input the market price of the option in ‘Actual Market Value’.

For the ‘interest rate %’, take the 91 day T-bill rate data from the RBI website.

‘Dividends (in Rupees)’ would be for the index and the actual dividend value in case of a stock. Also, in case dividends are expected within the expiry of the contract, make sure you enter the ex-dividend date.

The last input field is the number of days left to expiry. Input the total number of calendar days here.

Note, Zerodha Trader (ZT) has two models based on which the Greeks can be calculated, i.e., Black-Scholes Pricing Model and another model called the ‘Cox-Ross-Rubinstein Binomial Method’.

The binomial method is also popularly used, however, I’d advocate the Black-Scholes model as it is more advanced and precise. It is worth mentioning that the difference in output values between the two models is not really much.

Lastly, look at the bottom section of the Output field (highlighted in green). Just besides the ‘Calculate’ button you have two options:

- Volatility
- Option Price

Select Volatility if you want the option calculator to calculate the volatility for you. If you want to calculate the theoretical option price, select the ‘Option Price’.

Have a look at the image below with all the input data loaded:

Notice two things:

- Along with the Greeks, I intend to calculate the Option price (highlighted in blue). Also ‘Actual Market Value’ is left blank (highlighted in red). I’ve taken the volatility value from the India VIX index.
- The dividend field is blank since I have selected 8100 Nifty Call option ( index option), hence the value in ex-dividend date field is irrelevant.

Once the input values are loaded, click Calculate to generate the output. The following image shows the output:

The first field in the output field is the theoretical option price (also called the fair value) of the call and put option. The calculator is suggesting the fair value of 8100 call option should be 81.14 and the fair value of 8100 put option is 71.35. However, the call option value as seen on the NSE option chain is 83.85.

The difference, though not significant, mainly occurs due to factors such as wrong volatility assumptions, bid-ask spread, liquidity, transaction charges, and taxes.

Following the theoretical option price you can find the data on Greek values. As of today Nifty spot is 8085, and the closest ATM option is 8100. As we had discussed in the previous post, the ATM option should have a delta of approximately 0.5. In fact, the calculator is telling us that the delta is 0.525 for the call option and -0.475 for the put option. This is in line with our discussion on delta in the previous post. Following the delta value we find other Greek values such as Gamma, Theta, Vega, and Rho.

Also, by default the calculator calculates the Greeks of:

- Put option of the same strike, same expiry
- A simple long straddle

**Option Calculator to calculate volatility**

Let us now use the option calculator to calculate the volatility of the underlying. To do this, I leave the ‘Volatility %’ field blank (highlighted in blue) and select “Volatility” (highlighted in red) option.

Further, I input the “Actual Market Value” of the 8100 Call option as observed on NSE, which in this case happens to be 83.85 (see the NSE Quote image above).

After selecting this click calculate:

It turns out that the volatility of Nifty is 12.96% as opposed to 12.5175% as India VIX suggested. Well, the difference is less than 50 basis points; this should also explain why the calculator calculated the Theoretical Option Price as 81.14 as opposed to 83.84. In fact, instead of 12.5175% if we now give Volatility % input as 12.96% we will get the accurate Option price. See the image below:

**Conclusion:**

Option calculators are mainly used to calculate the option Greeks, volatility of the underlying, and the theoretical option price. Sometimes small differences arise owing to variations in input assumptions. Hence for this reason, it is good to have room for the inevitable modeling errors. However, by and large, the option calculators are fairly accurate.

Lastly, we hope you enjoyed this three-part series on Option Greeks.

Stay connected, stay profitable.

Please introduce this in the web based trading platform.

There is an option available already, please visit trade.zerodha.com and login with your credentials. See the following image:

Dear sir,

Can we get live option geeks columns along with option chains like delta, gamma .

Thanks a lot Karthik.

Not working in nest ver 3.11.2…. try to calculate but nothing happens 🙁

I just double checked on version 3.11.2 and it seems to work fine. Are you sure you are giving the right inputs?

Hi Karthik,

Very useful post and I m learning a lot. I m trying to utilize the calculator in zerodha trader but nothing calculated. I m using 3.11.2 version and spoke to zerodha customer care, one guy said that currently issue is going on so it wont be working temporarily.

Please clarify when will it get up.

The Option Calculator on Zerodha Trader usually works, but there may have been some update issue which is causing this. We’ll look into it and have it updated soon.

yes not working i put all parameters which requires

Have sent you and email requesting you for your contact details. I’ll be happy to help you through this.

same problem, NEST trader 3.11.2 ………….double checked the inputs, option calculator not working

Can you please uninstall and re install ZT?

Could you please teach us about the Dynamic Delta Hedging.Eagerly waiting

Hopefully sometime soon 🙂

not working…

Please write to linekar at zerodha dot com, he will assist you in this regard. Thanks.

Thank you for your time and detailed explanation.

Welcome 🙂

Trying to calculate the value of IRB oct 230 PE. Used op. cal in Z5. Says “No data”. Have filled in below:

Spot price 223, volatali48%, int rate 9%….plz help

It seems to be working fine, I’ve given the same parameters as you have suggested, please see the image below :

The values calculated from the zerodha calculator do not match the market values of the options. The calculated prices are comparatively inflated using the formula.

The calculator below seems to do a much better job:

goo.gl/VSlqOK

Sonu, all options calculator built on the logic of B&S Option Pricing model works the same. See the image below, I have given the same input and I got the same result as in Zerodha Trader. Please do let me know if you have queries.

Dear Karthik,

Thanks for your kind response.

The difference I noticed was for Nifty and BankNifty spot prices on the reference site:

http://www.niftytrader.in

Kindly request you to check for Nifty or BankNifty the difference becomes much bigger on both the calculators.

Sonu, as i mentioned before if the Option Calculator is built on B&S logic, there is no way the values could differ. Please see the image below, I have calculated the values for Nifty 8000 CE (I have used dummy data) on both ZT and your source. They match up.

Good Article and a very useful tool.

Thanks Sonu for sharing the link.

Dear Karthik,

Is there any other variable for option. I think Beta is there. If so please throw some light.

thanks

P.Senthilkumar

No Sir, no other inputs required apart from the variables we have discussed above.

Values that I am struck are Risk Free Rate and Dividend.

Checked the RBI Link that was posted above for Risk Free….however would not find the value.

Request you to provide link where in I can see Risk Free Interest Values.

Do we have to change the Risk free rate every month.

Dividend –

Where can I find Dividend value for Nifty. Does it change every month

Where can I find Dividend Value for Particular stock – eg – Infy – does it change every month.

I have an excel incorporated with BS Model – If the IV is 42 or 43 in Nse – my xl says 47. is this right?

I also see Dividend value plays important role in IV value. Please explain?

Thanks in advance.

You need to keep track on RBI website for the 91 Day T Bill rates for risk free rate reference. On RBI’s home page, just hover over market trends –> Govt Securities for this. See the image below:

For Dividend:

Goto Nse India website, on homepage –> Products–>Indices–>Historical data –>click on PE,PB, and Div link. See the image below:

For individual stocks, you need to keep track on their corporate announcements. Suggest you try moneycontrol for the same.

Yes, Dividends do play an important role, you need to include the dividend amount and the ex divided date in the calculator.

Thanks for the response….

Dividend – checked nse site….got below values: for

Date P/E P/B DivYield

01-Oct-2014 20.77 3.40 1.32

So what would be the dividend amount and dividend date that I have to input in calculator

It would be a bit tricky for Nifty Options as Nifty is an Index and quantifying the effect of dividend is quite difficult. The difficulty is basically because of the issue arising out of tracking dividend across 50 companies and the ‘time & Price’ effect on options. For this reason I personally prefer to set the dividend value to zero. However for stock specific options, this should be simple.

@Karthik,

Will the option calculator work only during the Trading hours?

I checked now in Web Login, (the Opt Calc link what you have shown in the picture above). It says No data as result.

Hi Karthik,

We have calculators to get delta of options. What about futures?

Just wanted to know – is it safe to assume that the Delta for a futures contract is always 1?

Thanks

Sukesh

Yes, the delta of a Futures Instrument can be assumed to be 1.

Hello Karthik,

One more question – I see that the delta of a put is always much lower than the call at the same strike price. Usually the delta of a put is half that of a call option.

Is there anything wrong in my calculation or is this how it is meant to be? Is there any reason for such disparity in delta of call and put options?

Thanks

Sukesh

The delta of an ATM Call and Put should be more or less equal. However the deltas vary as and when the spot moves. On a related note, you may also want to check on the put call parity of options.

hi plz make some video on options it will be use full for new option traders.

I gave the required parameters for BNF option. Nothing happens when I click button.

The inputs seems to be fine. I’m not sure why it is not responding. I have fwd your query a colleague of mine, you should get a response soon.

Before we figure out why the option calculator is not working for you, we need to understand if you’re doing a few things right. Firstly, you need to ensure you’re using the latest version of Zerodha Trader which is 3.11.2, you can download this from our Downloads page.

Once you’ve got the latest version of Zerodha Trader installed, you can go to Preferences (Ctrl+P) and access Market Watch settings from the left. In that option, choose “Enable Greeks on MW”

After this is done, you should be able to see the right Greek values on your option calculator.

Thanks for your response.

Please check the attached file. All settings are as per your instructions. But still it is not working.

Please check the message at the left bottom of the screen. This reads as :

QUOTE

Greek In MW: Error in Initiating OptPrice DLL Object

UNQUOTE

Could this be the reason. If yes, please tell me as how to fix it.

regards,

Surinder

Hi

Why is the tools-> implied volatility always showing zero.

Also the IV values in option chain

Hi Nithin,

I was trading actively only on NSE F&O till now and now want to try commodities too.

I’m in the process of getting my commodity account activated at Zerodha.

Meanwhile i want to know is there both Futures & Options in commodities or only Futures? What is the margin requirement in commodities trading?

How different or Similar is commodities trading from the normal NSE F&O traing?

Thanks

Sukesh, only futures in commodities trading. Margin requirements are quite less as compared to equity future contracts. Check this and this.

Commodity markets are open from 10am to 11.55pm, and this post should help you figure the rupee impact for 1 point movement in a commodity.

Hi Nithin,

Thanks for the quick response. Is there any reason/logic for this weird timings of commodity markets?

Thanks

Sukesh

Commodities trade internationally, even though by the time Indian markets open at 10 am most of asia has already opened. MCX keeps the non agri contracts (agri contracts trade only till 5pm) open till the closing of the US markets (Comex, IST – 11.30pm in summer and 11.55pm in winter). This lets the Indian trader react to news that can affect his position for most part of the day.

Thank you for your time and detailed explanation.

HI NIthin,

where do i can find historical values of IV for Stock & Nifty options ?

thanks,

Nilesh

I’m afraid historical IV’s are not easy to source. This is the best historical info that you can get –

http://www.nseindia.com/products/content/derivatives/equities/historical_fo.htm

option calculator is not working

The Zerodha Trader application works fine on a computer which is connected directly to the internet. But if a computer system is connected to the internet via a proxy server it failed to work. I had a first hand experience on this. Can you resolve this problem?

The thing is when you use a proxy server on your web browser, it goes through that. If you’re using Zerodha Trader, you need to change settings on Windows…

To change proxy server settings

Open Internet Explorer by clicking the Start button.

Click the Tools button, and then click Internet Options.

Click the Connections tab, and then click LAN settings.

Select the Use a proxy server for your LAN check box.

In the Address box, type the address of the proxy server.

This should help you use ZT without a problem.

sir,i think this tool is not in pi&now when we r using pi,whats use of checking.(this is related to reply given by u in option theory chapter 9,sorry)

sir,please tell me if the stock is not going ex-dividend within the current expiry…..shall I put zero in that case or leave the dividend column blank……

if I put zero what will be the ex-dividend date?

Leave it blank.

hi, option calculator is not working on trade.zerodha.com. whenever i use it to calculate the price of option it shows no data.help me regarding this,.

Dear Zerodha

It is said that if IV is more than historical volatility, one can prefer buying that option.

Can you please explain with a practical example and sources to find the historical volatility.

Thanks.

A.N.Charlu

If the volatility is more, yes option buying is beneficial, but then again you are now taking a call on two things, market direction and volatility direction. If volatility drops, so will your option price and significantly. There is not source that I know which has historical volatility. Btw if you are interested in option trading, make sure to go through this: http://zerodha.com/varsity/module/option-theory/

I have three questions:

1. Option calc doesn’t work. Why does this happen even if i input all values correctly ?

2. When pricing options using B&S model for Nifty index, should i input the Nifty Underlying price or Nifty Current Month’s Future price?

3. Also can i hedge a stock by buying the futures of that stock instead of the underlying?

Nitin, Hanan, Karthik,

I have three questions:

1. Option calc doesn’t work (online as well as Z trader0. Why does this happen even if i input all values correctly ?

2. When pricing options using B&S model for Nifty index, should i input the Nifty Underlying price or Nifty Current Month’s Future price?

3. Also can i hedge a stock option by buying/selling the futures of that stock instead of the underlying?

Hi

Option Calc – web version and ZT version – both are not working at all. Please help

I am getting no data when I enter values in option calc through website. Is the functionality in place or do I need to check only through nest .

Let me know if anything need to be provided from my end.

Are global indexes available for trading in Zerodha. Like Dax, Nadaq.. etc.,

Only those which trade on NSE/BSE. http://www.nseindia.com/products/content/gi/product_gi.htm

hi karthik,

Sunil here. I m using Pi. Is there any other way I can calculate the Greeks ? If I login to ZT, Pi gets logged off. I want to know if there is a way I can calculate the Greeks, by being logged in to Pi. Any other site that I could use?

Thanks.

Sunil, we have an online option calculator: https://zerodha.com/tools/black-scholes

Thanx Nithin.

I have a query about the Options Calculator. I trade in Nifty Options. I had read the article on Options Greek.What I understood from the article is that , in the volatility box, the India VIX value needs to be entered whereas in the Interest box, the 91 day RBI T-Bill Interest rate needs to be entered and the Dividend can be kept as zero. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I want to know from where I can get the latest 91 day T Bill rate. I tried searching for it but can’t get a clear result. Could you please give the link for the same.

Thanx

Sunil.

Suni – You are right on the inputs.

For T bill rates goto https://www.rbi.org.in/, on the landing page left hand side you can see “Current Rates”, under that click on the Money Trends…here you can see the 91-Day T-bill rates.

Thanx Karthik.

As usual, you were quick in resolving my query. Keep up the good work. You rock….!!!!

Regards,

Sunil.

big Thanks Karthik 🙂

Sir,

If the actual option price is less than the theoretical option price calculated as per B&S calculator. Can I buy the option assuming that the actual price will increase to its theoretical option price in sometime ?

Regards,

Preetam

Yes, this is the general idea behind estimating the theoretical option price. Also remember the B&S option pricing model, is just a model – the quality of the output depends upon the quality of the input. So before you take the trade, double check to make sure your assumptions are clean.

Also, you may want to check this – https://zerodha.com/tools/black-scholes

Sir,

1) Calender days means that we will include Saturday , Sunday and all the public holidays?

2) Total bid qty represents demand, total ask quantity represents supply. So what does volume tell?

Thanks,

Preetam

Sir:

Volume part is clear. Just read your chapter.

Sir,

I have been suggested by a colleague who is an Option Trader not to use the interest rate% to calculate fair value of calls and puts for Stocks and Indices. It should be used only for currency trading.

Is that true? can you please help clear my doubts on that?

Not true. Interest rate is a key input variable in Black & Scholes option pricing model, and one must feed in a relevant value to get the fair price of the option, irrespective of the asset (equity, commodities or forex).

Thank u very much for the clarification

Are there any plans to add this feature to kite? That would be very nice.

Can you mention what feature you are talking about?

Dear Nithin/Venu,

While using the options calculator do we also count the weekends and non-trading days or should we exclude those days? For example, today is 11 April, so we have 17 days to expiry. But due to holidays and weekends, we have only 10 Trading days.

So, should I input 17 or 10 as the number of days?

Thank you

I guess its best to include only the trading days. In this case it would be 10.

Ok thank u very much

I have set the greek variables on my market watch (Nest-Trader) but the values are not being updated while live trading. It all showing just 0.00. What can be the reason ?

Best to send all account specific queries to [email protected]

Sir

For example option expiry 28may2016

xyz sticks price 100.

put primium 1.50

Lot size 1000

What money need to purchase 1 lot

1500 = 1.5 x 1000

I sell this option at primium 2.50

1lot size 1000

Stock price 90

Sticks price 100

What’s profit loss????

You didn’t tell if this is calls or puts.

Both

In case of calls, 100 calls will have no value if stock closes at 90 on expiry day. your profit the entire 2.5 or Rs 2500.

In case of puts, 100 calls will close at Rs 10, if stock closes at 90. So loss of Rs 7500 ( 10-2.5 x 100)

What’s is a short call.

When you sell anything first, it is called shorting. Suggest you to go through this: http://zerodha.com/varsity/

Xyz stock price is 100

I buy call Expire 26may2016 sticks price 110 premium @ 1

Case – I exit this position same day

At stock price 105.

[email protected]

What result profit /lose ??? Answer me

I’m new I’m option treading.

1loat size 1000

IF premium goes upto 3, you make Rs 2000 profit. Why don’t u go through the option module here: http://zerodha.com/varsity/

where i can see premium when buying nifty future call option in PI ?.

You need to add the option contract on the marketwatch. Can you check this video.

i saw this video is very very useful for me but my problem is what the currently premium running in the market. example : – i have already added CE/PE options of nifty 50 from NSE >> OPTIDX and i’m watching only LTP, strike price …, etc but not even a single place where i can find premium which is charged by company currently.

thank you

Nitin sir

Hmm.. I don’t think you understand options very well. Suggest you to go through both futures and options module here: http://zerodha.com/varsity/

i have already read about options. may be sir, i’m not understand options but as for my knowledge is concern by the grace of zerodha varsity, options CE is buy when bullish is happen, example when i decide that share’s price is increase from my buying price(strike price) call option is made money for me and i will pay only premium. otherwise we use put option is made money for me and only pay premium.

CE/PE – limited loss and unlimited profit (only premium paid to the seller by me or buyer).

but sir my problem is where i can see actual the premium of that share currently which i want to buy call and put option because premium is increase/decrease time to time.

i hope you understanding my problem

thank you

jitendra kumar

You can add that option to the marketwatch. For example search for Reliance 1000 strike price CE on Kite, you can add it to watchlist.

hello nitin sir,

i buy only index(nifty50 and Bank Nifty) . i told you, i have already added CE/PE using your powerful desktop app “PI”. let me convey you first what i have added to my market watch list and how.

1) select NFO from drop down menu.

2) later on select OPTIDX of nifty 50 .

3) select CE (call option) due to market bullish

4) 16 june futures and press enter

in market list nifty 50

Nifty16JuneCE… | LTP – 10.8 | Bid – 2750 | ask – 2760 | …………………………|open interest – ……| ………….. etc showing

i know LTP – 10.8 is premium but it is Last traded price(premium), i want what is actual premium of nifty 50 index currently.

Now i’m pressing F6 to showing snap quote, not showing premium of nifty50.

my question is very simple where i can see the actual premium of nifty 50 which is currently running in the market?.

here how i can attach screen shot of my market watch list to more convenient.

🙂 LTP is what you can trade on. The actual premium, if you mean the theoretical price of an option, you can use the option calculator. You could use this https://zerodha.com/tools/black-scholes. But note that theoretical price and actual price could vary. You can speak to someone on 080-40402020.

hi karthik,

i use kite, & use B&S calculator tool from zerodha. now that the web page is changed, i couldn’t find the calculator. please help me find it. thanks.

chaitanya.

It is listed under resources –> tools. Check this – https://zerodha.com/resources , request you to check this page by end of day. Thanks.

Some issues, we will get it in sometime.

Hello Sir, How does these Greeks calculation make a difference in choosing call or put option can you please elaborate with example?

i mean based on the info we have that is Gamma,Delta, Theta,Vega,Rho how to decide which option to buy or sell?

BR,

Vadhana

We have explained this in detail here – http://zerodha.com/varsity/module/option-theory/

Request you to check the same. Thanks.

Thank you sir

Hi Karthik,

Can we make a statement that we have used correct values of Time, Interest Rate and Annual Volatility during our B&S calculations when the sum of delta (Call+Put) of an ATM strike is ‘0’ or close to zero?

Thanks

The delta of call and put are kind of mutually exclusive, no point adding up to derive any sort of information from it. However, mathematically the sum of call delta + put delta of an ATM strike is expected to be close to zero.

thank you for a prompt reply.

I had this question as NSE under it’s option chain (for Nifty) assumes 10% interest rate which is not real, as RBI 91 days is around 6.52%. Hence, all IV on NSE website were not matching with B&S calculations assuming RBI’s risk-free rate.

Since Annual Volatility and Interest Rate are the only 2 variables not readily available from the market (Time, Price, Strike, Dividend are fixed & actual), i wanted to conclude whether NSE’s computation is correct or computation with RBI rate is correct.

Hence, the question, how do we know our theoretical values are correct and matching the real time market data!

I get your point, and I’m really not sure why there is a interest rate differential. Maybe we will check with NSE directly to understand their logic. However, it makes sense to adopt NSE’s interest rate values as the entire market relies upon this data.

Hi Karthik,

This query is regarding calculation of theoretical value of options.

First, What should go as IV in B&S formula ? On the NSE’s website, the IV figures are published for each strike in call/put option. For eg. 8600 call option shows an IV of 12.61 while the 8600 put options shows an IV of 15.44. NSE’s India VIX, as on date, is quoting at 14.8875. What IV should one use, if one were to derive the theoretical option value at any strike price ?

Second, NSE’s IV calculations are done assuming an interest rate of 10% (as claimed on the website). Should we, then, base our B&S calculations on RBI’s Treasury Bill rates(91 days) or on NSE’s interest rate figures ?

Thanks

dear sir how to find delta value with respect to implied volatility

Mahtesh, suggest you to go through this: http://zerodha.com/varsity/module/option-theory/

sir

where can we get interestrate% & volatility%

Have a look at this –

NSE takes an interest rate of 10% while computing the implied volatility – scroll down to the end of the page and you see the interest % mentioned by NSE.

You can also see and IV column in the option chain – this gives you strike specific implied volatility.

Hi Nithin/Karthik,

Few Queries which I haven’t found an answer to.

First, What should go as IV in B&S formula ? On the NSE’s website, the IV figures are published for each strike in call/put option. For eg. 8600 call option shows an IV of 12.61 while the 8600 put options shows an IV of 15.44. NSE’s India VIX, as on date, is quoting at 14.8875. What IV should one use, if one were to derive the theoretical option value at any strike price ?

Second, NSE’s IV calculations are done assuming an interest rate of 10% (as claimed on the website). Should we, then, base our B&S calculations on RBI’s Treasury Bill rates(91 days) or on NSE’s interest rate figures ?

Thanks

1) Use the IV of the strike – for example if you are evaluating 8600 PE, then use the IV for that particular strike

2) It makes sense to use NSE’s 10% rate.

Please explain what all changes we have to make in newly introduced weekly options calulations

Regards

sheeja (www.equde.com)

Can a person buy 100000 shares in options without much effort.

How can I buy 1 lakh shares at one click there is no basket order option in PI OR KITE AND NEST IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY.so how would I place order for 1 lakh share in just one click.

Help

If you aren’t using NEST to place the orders, you’ll have to place multiple orders.

Dear Nitin/Venu

Where can I get a lambda calculator for easy calculating the percentage change in option of each strike for a percentage change in underlying?

Hey Najeeb, not sure what you mean by a lambda calculator. Guess you are talking about a B&S calculator. Have you checked this – https://zerodha.com/tools/black-scholes/

Not exactly Kartik,Lambda( *)is defined as the expected percentage change in the value of an option for a given percentage change in the value of the underlying spot price.That is * =[(C1-C0)/C0]/[(S1-S0)/S0] where as C0 and S0 are the option price and the strike price at starting point and C1 is the new option price when the stock price moves from S0 to S1

Got it. Not sure of any reliable online calculators for this. But I guess you could use a simple excel model to build this yourself.

Lambda incorporates both the delta factor and the gearing factor and if such a calculator is available it will be much useful in developing mathematical models to trade.

If you are building a mathematical model, then its best if you build this piece yourself. Will be more reliable and custom tuned to your model’s exact requirement.

Hi Sir,

Can you tell me the fair value of M&M 1360 CE on 24/03/17 if M&M price is quoting at 1360.

Taking all the values as per current trend.

Your input will be valuable.

Regards,

Chetan.

Assuming a 25% volatility, and the spot to be around 1360, then 1360CE would trade at Rs.20.15/-.

Feel free to use the calculator here – https://zerodha.com/tools/black-scholes/

How to calculate implied volatility percentile of a stock

You can use the B&S calculator to calculate the IV %. Enter the regular parameters like time to expiry, strike price, spot price etc. Along with all these, you also enter the current market price of the price for this particular strike. Hit calculate and you will get the IV value in %.

Is there any excel based B&S options calculator available which can calculate the prices on real time?

Nothing that I’m aware of, you can look it up on the internet.

Thanks for your modules on options, it changed lot of my views.

I have a query ::

what is effect of weekend( i mean holidays) on theta.

Example :: suppose today is 21st April no of days to expiry is 6 days (27th April)

so the option prices would be as per 6 days to expiry, but what will happen to option prices on Monday morning

as no of days to expiry will be 4 that time.

So, will the option premium reduce on opening of market on Monday assuming volatility remains same.

Hi,

I had done some analysis .

I think some think is wrong with below calculator ::

https://zerodha.com/tools/black-scholes/

If i select 28th as expiry, all the values are very much accurate, but expiry is on 27th.

I have checked with different calculators also.

Can you just validate the No of days to expiry thing

You can choose the expiry date on the calculator.

The markets do factor in the weekends as well whilst deciding the option premium ; may not carry the same weightage that traded days carry. There’s a module on Varsity discussing theta: http://zerodha.com/varsity/chapter/theta/.

Can we have a new button for real-time option Greeks alongside buy, sell, market depth, chart buttons in the Kite. It will help the options traders to see the real time option Greeks and prepare their strategy accordingly.

On our list to do.

When I try to buy BANKNIFTY06JUL1723200PE @1.8 my order gets rejected giving reason “Option strike price based on LTP percentage for entity account across exchange across segment across product”.

What does that mean and why does it show this reason ?

Aniket, Deep out of the money options on Bank nifty weekly can sometimes be blocked if hitting open interest limit on exchange.

Hi Nithin,

I have some basic questions which are inter related.

1. How can you make profit by “exercising” an option instead of squaring off the position ? How do you exercise an option ?

2. In Indian context, does exercising an option only means holding “In the money” (ITM) option till expiry. Is there any other meaning of “exercising” an option apart from the former ?

3. What is options roll over ? Is it something different than squaring off your position for current series and taking same position in next month series ?

1. All options in INdia get exercised automatically. But everything settled as cash.

2. It means only that

3. It is squaring off current and taking next month.

Will this tool available in Zerodha Kite?

Hopefully in the upcoming releases of Kite. 🙂

Hello Kartik,

Inputting the data into Zeroda BS option pricing formula with Nifty yesterday underlying close at 10210.85 for a strike of 10300 call with expiry as 26/10/2017, 15 30 hrs ,current day AV as 12.26 and RBI 91day treasury bill yield as 6.07 outputs to 38.58 as the call option price.But if the same is input to as 24/10/2017 as expiry dates shaving of the 2 day trading holiday ,option call price reflects to 27.81(settlement price is 28.45). Diwali trading hour would compensate to that.So my question is , Is not imputing calendar days give distorted results in option pricing.

It would be appreciated if in the expiry column the default time is set as 15.30 hrs instead of 23.59 hrs.

Not trade in zerodha option trading ?

Yes, you can trade options in Zerodha. If F&O has not been enabled in your account you will have to submit your income proof. You can submit one of these docs as income proof – form-16, IT acknowledgement copy, 6-month Bank statement, Stock Holding Statement, or the CA certifying your networth. You can send it to [email protected].

Can you please tell, the way described to calculate Volatility, can we use this volatility in the black schole calculator as Implied Volatility to calculate option price?

Please Let me know where can i find the options calculator in kite

iam trading with zerodha from the past 6months

so please tell me where to find it and use it

Kiran, this feature isn’t present on Kite currently but is on our list of things to do.

Hello there

I am looking to understand how to compare implied volatility (IV) with historical volatility. Can you please suggest how to do this?

Also can you clarify whether the historical volatility is derived from historical IV data or a standard deviation of underlying?

Regards

Pankaj

Hi

I had 10667 cash balance . Today I bought 10700 nifty pe at 49.8 premium and sold it at 51.8, thereby making a profit of Rs 150, which is showing green coloured 150 correctly. But my funds show (Free Cash 10665.5), (Margin Used -150) and (Total Value 10515.5). I believe the total value should be 10665.5 + 150 instead of 10665.5 – 150.

So it should be 10665.5 + 150 = 10815.5 But it is showing as if I made a loss of Rs 150.

Total value = Free cash – margin used. So it’s 10665.5 – (-150) = 10665.5 + 150.

Hello

Could you please explain me how to calculate option target price and stop loss price

Hi

If i sell 10300 nifty call options. if nifty what dosent reach what i will get . if reach how much i will loose

Hey Sridhar, check out the Varsity module on Options.

Hi,

I wanted to know if I wanted the volatility for individual securities is it available somewhere?

E.g We all say that average IV for Nifty is 17-18% below that the options are cheap & above it expensive.

Similarly, I want average IV for individual securities. If it is not readily available how do I calculate it? Do I take standard deviation for last 1 year prices or what would be appropriate?

Thanks.

I logged in trader.zerodha.com. I get the following message :

Z5 is now kite.zerodha.com

Please login to Kite for a better trading experience.

Please advice how I can get the values of option greeks in te present setup.

I was having ITC 190 PE Option. Now in Kite it is showing as 179.85 pe option. Why? is it a technical mistake?. i want to buy another lot of 190 pe to average it. What i have to do now?

This wasn’t a technical issue. ITC was trading Ex-dividend today, so the strike prices were adjusted. You would also have received an email explaining this.

can you make it available in kite app or kite web please?

Can you plz give example of usdinr option Greeks how we can calculate where can I find the input values of usdinr like volitility and interest rate plz explain indetal with example