I remember a time (maybe about 10 years ago) I had the opportunity to meet one of those hard to find Chartered Accountants who knew both taxation and markets quite well. It was at a friend’s party that I got introduced to him. He asked me what I do for a living, to which I promptly replied that I trade for a living. We immediately struck a chord and had a great conversation going. Somewhere during that engaging conversation, he asked me a few questions –
- How would I declare my Profits and/or Losses from my market activity?
- Do I bifurcate between speculative business income and non-speculative business income?
- Also, he asked me about the books of accounts that I’m supposed to maintain.
Thanks to my ignorance I had no answers to give him.
I was an eager learner, as I spent all my time learning about the markets and trading strategies but spent very little time learning about taxation and its relevance to market participants.
Probably the reason why I consciously ignored learning about taxation was that I always feared the heavy usage of jargon, random references to sections, subsections, circulars, and whatnot. To my defense – I once did honestly try to learn about taxation. I paid a visit to my broker’s office and met my dealer and questioned him on taxation. This is what he had to say – “Arre, why are you so worried? Long-term capital tax is 0% and short-term capital gains tax is 15%, that’s it, it is a simple matter.”
I for sure knew it was not just that, I insisted to meet someone more knowledgeable to understand the topic in greater detail. To my luck I got to meet the Regional Head of the stockbroking company, enthusiastically I picked his brains about taxation for market participants; unfortunately even he reiterated the same thing that my dealer had told me. It seemed even worse as the regional manager had a sense of pride while he gave me that sloppy answer.
Frustrated, I visited a CA and he essentially said the same thing that my dealer said, but he used fancy jargon and complicated the whole matter to no end. At that point in time, nobody had blogged about it online, no good articles were written on the topic, and thus my quest to learn taxation related to markets got squashed like a bug.
In retrospect, had I known more about this topic, had I got more information – I would have clearly benefited in multiple ways.
I’m certain there are many traders and investors in a similar situation as I was many years ago. In fact, this is true considering that our blog on taxation (which was put up a few years ago) has received over 10000 questions! This number is beside the numerous emails received and queries asked on Trading Q&A.
Keeping this in perspective, we are happy to introduce our new module on Zerodha Varsity aptly titled “Markets & Taxation”. The module deals with literally everything that you need to know about taxation related to markets – be it short term capital gains, or treating your intraday trades as speculative business income, or about Section 44AD & 44ADA – we have it all on Zerodha Varsity – in one place, concise, and simplified.
Now here is the best part – the whole module is authored by Nithin himself, which means that we get to learn about taxation from a trader/investor’s perspective and not really from the CA’s perspective. This makes a huge difference in terms of topic narrative. With a seasoned trader discussing taxation, we get to learn about the essential topics without digressing into the taxation wilderness.
Lastly, if I look back in time, I could not imagine brokers giving out such valuable information to clients. In fact, stockbrokers were always known to hoard information and pass it only to select clients. I’m sure you would agree with me on this, especially if you have been trading the Indian markets for a while now. Stock Brokers in India have always been snobby, expensive, and full of unwanted attitude.
However, the stockbroking industry is slowly waking up to the fact that the customer, irrespective of his size deserves the best. This change in attitude is leading to a revolution of sorts in the industry – and I do believe Zerodha is the epicenter of this revolution – changing the way the Indian broking industry functions. Be it providing you high-quality tools to trade, better trader education, or ready to use tax-friendly reports – Zerodha has it all for you.
So please do go ahead and explore this unique module on Markets & Taxation. I can assure you that the content presented here will make you more confident about matters related to taxation, and with that new-found confidence, you will never have to fear the taxman!
Stay connected, stay profitable.
– Karthik Rangappa
karthik that is nithin’s caricature right , with a tattoo on the hand …. good one mate (hahaha) :):):)
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Yup, that’s him teaching us all about taxation 🙂
can you made a sample ITR 4 return form video for those who has taken trading and investing as business ????? i have found but not found anything about our profession
Go to the last chapter of this module Sujay, there is an excel download of a sample ITR4. A video will be tough to make.
Hi Nithin, just watched your session on taxation – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p6tY3lelIY
It was brilliant. Although I had read the modules and was already aware of it, it was like very good revision and it would be extremely helpful for people who are beginners. So is any other module. Keep up the good work.
As you said at the end, it would be great if you can arrange for a session on filling ITR-4 form. Thanks.
Hello sir I am doing intraday mainly. I want open a proprietorship firm for this perpose for myself trading only.
What is procedure and I want continue use zerodha as trading account.
dear zerodha please translate this chapter in regional languages also (assamese ,bengali.hindi and south indian) very helpful documents
Thanks for the suggestion Sujay. We will certainly look into it.
i would like to inform that neither i made money nor i have filed returns since almost four years, now i would like to stream line so what all documents i can get from your office to update the records, if u can suggest good auditor please let me know
2014-15 FY TAX ITR 4S
FIRST TIME
I’ve Income from
Salary,
FD,
MF/SIP,
F&O trading activity,
To file and save tax for future.
Need help
Hi Zerodha, I’m salaried, I do have income from Fixed Deposits, and I do have Income from Equity MF through SIP, and I Do have Trading activity in F&O,
Question 1 -Do I need to file ITR separately for salary and FD, SIP, F&O returns?
Question 2- I do understated that last date for filing ITR for salary is on Aug31,
What will be the last date for FD, SIP, F&O activity to file ITR
Question 3- In my PAN I find few trading activities captured in income tax India website, What action do I need to take to resolve it?
Question 4- Do I really need to consult CA? Any nearby suggested contacts near to Whitefield?
Question 5- I’m doing trading from few years, and few years went through some negative values, coming days trading activities going to change to positive, and I may need to pay a tax,
I want to cover up my previous year negative years from around 5 years, Is there a way to file it now? And show as carry forwarded for future
Your response will be more valued on this
Firstly, do read through the entire module. All your answers are already answered. Anyways
1. No. Just one, ITR4
2. One ITR4 and one last date which is Aug 31
3. Resolve it?
4. Not really
5. If you file returns after due date, you cannot carry forward the loss. So you can take that benefit only for FY14/15 for which returns have to be file by Aug 31st.
Sir, Could you please tell me if I am classified as trader then I have to pay tax for long term (held for more than 1 year) capital gains on stock trading?
suppose i am a trader(buy and sell stocks in few weeks) lets say i bought 10 stocks worth Rs 10,000 then 15 stocks worth Rs 9000 then 5 stocks worth Rs 1000. and after sell all of them(worth Rs 20,000) i make a profit of say Rs 2000. (total now Rs 2,2000) and now again if i buy stocks worth 2,2000. and don’t liquidate the money… do i have to pay tax on the earned profit i.e Rs 2000 as the money is still invested in stocks??
You can file your returns either ways
1. Show your profit booked and don’t consider the profit/loss on your investment that you hold at end of year.
2. Add your profit to the marked to market value of your holdings on 31th march and pay taxes on the net profit/loss. Suggest you to go through this: http://zerodha.com/varsity/module/markets-and-taxation/
Hi Nithin
I have read all the modules, however was unable to get details on point 2 mentioned above. Can you please elaborate.
I think it can address the issue that I am facing as explained below
I purchased 1000 qty of Stock A at 100 Rs and after 3 months sold 1000 qty at 150 Rs. Hence STCG of 50,000/-. However within few days (within same FY) I purchased 1000 qty of the same Stock A at 150 Rs. However since then the stock has been facing LC and I am unable to exit with the current price of stock being 80 Rs. So can I use the point 2 mentioned above to save on STCG.