{"id":377781,"date":"2024-05-07T16:09:04","date_gmt":"2024-05-07T10:39:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/?p=377781"},"modified":"2024-05-07T17:10:05","modified_gmt":"2024-05-07T11:40:05","slug":"markets-and-macros-upside-down-world","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/subtext\/markets-and-macros-upside-down-world","title":{"rendered":"Markets and macros | It&#8217;s an upside-down world!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Welcome to &#8216;Markets and Macros&#8217;, our attempt to bring to you all the random, disconnected, interesting things we come across, but don&#8217;t otherwise share or write about. Here&#8217;s all that we&#8217;ve picked up over the last month.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h3>Cognitive dissonance<\/h3>\n<p>This week, the US Federal Reserve decided to keep rates at 5.5% because US inflation has proven <a href=\"https:\/\/think.ing.com\/articles\/fed-holds-policy-steady-rate-hikes-remain-unlikely-despite-lack-of-inflation-progress\/\">more sticky<\/a> than it would\u2019ve liked. When inflation spiked in advanced economies during the pandemic-era reopening, there were loud debates among economists and other macro watchers. One camp argued that the inflation was being caused by supply issues that would work themselves out, and so, it would be <em>transitory<\/em>. The other argued that the era of low and stable inflation was over and we had entered a world where inflation, and by extension interest rates, would be <em>higher for longer<\/em>. In reality, though, we got Schrodinger\u2019s inflation: some transitory, some permanent, and no way of knowing which is which.<\/p>\n<p>Either way, inflation soared. Interest rates rose. Under Finance 101, higher interest rates are bad for stocks. True to this math, in 2022, the S&amp;P 500 fell 19.4% and Nasdaq 100 fell 33%, even while the Nifty 50 was up 4%. Most of this carnage was in the most speculative and growth-y segments of the markets, like tech stocks, venture capital, penny stocks, and crypto.<\/p>\n<p>But then, something peculiar happened. Even as central banks, including the Fed, continued hiking interest rates, stocks rallied. In fact, equities in both India and the US are almost near their lifetime highs.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/1-1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-377783 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/1-1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1778\" height=\"868\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/1-1.png 1778w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/1-1-300x146.png 300w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/1-1-1024x500.png 1024w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/1-1-768x375.png 768w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/1-1-1536x750.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1778px) 100vw, 1778px\" \/><\/a><span style=\"color: #808080; font-size: 10pt;\"><em>GLD: SPDR Gold Shares ETF | TLT: iShares 20+ Year Treasury Bond ETF | IN24: India 20 year bond yields<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Back in 2021 and 2022, the prevailing narrative was that the <em>entire<\/em> last decade was some sort of extended anomaly which could only exist amidst a \u201czero interest rate phenomenon\u201d. As soon as rates rose, the madness would end. Well, rates rose and yet here we are. Leaving bonds aside, everything from equities to crypto, to options volumes, to gold are at lifetime <em>highs<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p>What explains this?<\/p>\n<p>I like Joe Wisenthal\u2019s idea: everything we assumed was just&#8230; wrong.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"color: #333333;\"><em><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">The main thing I&#8217;m thinking about is that we need to go back and rethink everything that we called a &#8220;ZIRP Phenomenon&#8221; a few years ago. So many aspects of speculative excess were chalked up to low rates, and yet here we are and all this is happening with rates over 5%. Seriously, it&#8217;s time for some revisionism.<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>What would a normal world look like? Here\u2019s some <a href=\"https:\/\/www.economist.com\/finance-and-economics\/2024\/04\/25\/how-far-could-americas-stockmarket-fall\">wacky (if not scary) math<\/a> from The Economist. Today, there&#8217;s no difference between the S&amp;P 500 earnings yield (that&#8217;s the inverse of its PE ratio) and the yield on US 10 year Treasury bonds.<\/p>\n<p>Take a moment and think about this: what a company earns, when compared to the price of its stock, is like its &#8216;yield&#8217; &#8211; much like the yield of a bond. Ideally, for one to invest in a stock, its yield should be higher than what most bonds offer, because its a riskier investment.\u00a0Historically, the gap between these two &#8211; the &#8216;risk premium&#8217; &#8211; averaged ~4%. Today, it is zero. For the gap to revert to normal, the S&amp;P 500 will have to fall by ~29%. If it is to revert to its 10 year average, the numbers are even scarier:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: #333333;\"><em>A reversion to the average, which is around four percentage points, would entail share prices dropping by 29% at current bond yields. It seems improbable, however, that investors\u2019 risk appetites would still be average immediately after such a large drop. For much of the 2010s the yield gap hovered around six percentage points; in the traumatic years following the financial crisis of 2007-09, it was more like eight. A return to those levels would require share-price crashes of 47% and 57%, respectively.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.zerohedge.com\">Zerohedge<\/a>-level prediction.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h3>Crystal ball-gazing<\/h3>\n<p>In the <a href=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/subtext\/markets-and-macros-youth-unemployment-falling-fdi-rising-gold-prices-and-more\">last edition<\/a>, I had mentioned the CAPE ratio. Basically, the ratio looks at how stocks are valued, over time, compared to how much companies earn \u2014 a smoothened out PE ratio, if you will. Recently, I came across a few charts that will make you go WTF, especially if you invest only in India:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/2-2-e1715074205654.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-377797 size-full aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/2-2-e1715074205654.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1527\" height=\"1000\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/2-2-e1715074205654.png 1527w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/2-2-e1715074205654-300x196.png 300w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/2-2-e1715074205654-1024x671.png 1024w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/2-2-e1715074205654-768x503.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1527px) 100vw, 1527px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Just look where India sits. Interestingly, such high valuations were par for the course before the global financial crisis:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/3-e1715074572356.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-377790 size-full aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/3-e1715074572356.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1527\" height=\"993\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/3-e1715074572356.png 1527w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/3-e1715074572356-300x195.png 300w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/3-e1715074572356-1024x666.png 1024w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/3-e1715074572356-768x499.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1527px) 100vw, 1527px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>By 2009, however, the party was over:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/4-1-e1715074840104.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-377791 size-full aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/4-1-e1715074840104.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1527\" height=\"993\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/4-1-e1715074840104.png 1527w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/4-1-e1715074840104-300x195.png 300w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/4-1-e1715074840104-1024x666.png 1024w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/4-1-e1715074840104-768x499.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1527px) 100vw, 1527px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/posts\/norbertkeimling_stock-market-valuation-update-2024-vs-2009-ugcPost-7189547885573611520-AVno?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=member_desktop\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em>Source for all three<\/em><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Right now, among major markets, India is the most overvalued market. Now, as I wrote in the previous post, a higher CAPE doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean an impending crash. What it does means, however, is that there\u2019s a <em>higher probability<\/em> of lower expected future returns.<\/p>\n<p>Don\u2019t bet on this bull market and its easy returns lasting forever<\/p>\n<p><em>See also:<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheIdeaFarm\/status\/1780600693596045548\">CAPE charts broken by EM and DMs<\/a><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h3>Glittering gold<\/h3>\n<p>I\u2019ve been reading a lot about gold over the last couple of weeks. A lot of weird things are happening to this shiny metal that some people call a \u201cpet rock.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Historically, there was an <em>inverse<\/em> correlation between real interest rates (that&#8217;s nominal interest rates minus inflation) and gold prices. Why? See, gold doesn&#8217;t pay you any dividends or interest. When real interest rates are positive, you&#8217;d prefer an instrument that pays interest over gold. And so, the two are usually correlated negatively. Off late, though, this seems to have broken down.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5-1-e1715075925328.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-377792 size-full aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5-1-e1715075925328.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1177\" height=\"812\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5-1-e1715075925328.png 1177w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5-1-e1715075925328-300x207.png 300w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5-1-e1715075925328-1024x706.png 1024w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5-1-e1715075925328-768x530.png 768w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5-1-e1715075925328-216x150.png 216w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1177px) 100vw, 1177px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The same goes for the relationship between gold and the dollar. Historically, there was a negative correlation between the two, but that has now broken down.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/6-1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-377793 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/6-1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1777\" height=\"868\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/6-1.png 1777w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/6-1-300x147.png 300w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/6-1-1024x500.png 1024w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/6-1-768x375.png 768w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/6-1-1536x750.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1777px) 100vw, 1777px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>What does this tell us? For one, correlations aren\u2019t static! They change.<\/p>\n<p>Why these changes, though? Could be many things:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Gold and real rates have always moved together during rate hike <a href=\"https:\/\/www.schroders.com\/en\/middle-east\/professional\/insights\/has-golds-relationship-with-interest-rates-changed\/\">cycles<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>The world is currently a dangerous place with geopolitical conflicts everywhere. Gold has always been an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.man.com\/maninstitute\/road-ahead-its-not-you-its-me-lessons\">insurance<\/a> against this kind of uncertainty.<\/li>\n<li>Central banks are buying <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ssga.com\/us\/en\/intermediary\/ic\/insights\/weekly-market-update-12-april\">record amounts<\/a> of gold and are pumping the price.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Take your pick.<\/p>\n<p>BTW, here\u2019s an interesting chart on what gold is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gold.org\/goldhub\/research\/30-years-gold-demand-trends\">used for<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/7-1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-377794 size-full aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/7-1-e1715076535978.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1817\" height=\"988\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/7-1-e1715076535978.png 1817w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/7-1-e1715076535978-300x163.png 300w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/7-1-e1715076535978-1024x557.png 1024w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/7-1-e1715076535978-768x418.png 768w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/7-1-e1715076535978-1536x835.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1817px) 100vw, 1817px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.gold.org\/goldhub\/research\/30-years-gold-demand-trends\"><em><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">Source<\/span><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>As an aside, the correlation between the dollar and commodities has <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/JeremyDSchwartz\/status\/1785660305571291373\">flipped as well<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/8.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-377795 size-full aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/8-e1715076151566.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1445\" height=\"1007\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/8-e1715076151566.png 1445w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/8-e1715076151566-300x209.png 300w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/8-e1715076151566-1024x714.png 1024w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/8-e1715076151566-768x535.png 768w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/8-e1715076151566-216x150.png 216w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1445px) 100vw, 1445px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/JeremyDSchwartz\/status\/1785660305571291373\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em>Source<\/em><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s an upside down world.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/download.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-377801 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/download.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"225\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h3>China needs an economic plot-twist<\/h3>\n<p>The <em>Financial Times<\/em> has an interesting piece on China\u2019s economic woes. China\u2019s economy is investment-led, with investments making for 42% of its GDP \u2014 the highest among major economies. But this investment-led model seems to have hit its <a href=\"https:\/\/carnegieendowment.org\/chinafinancialmarkets\/91161#:~:text=But%20China%20comprises%20only%2013,share%20of%20global%20GDP%20rose.\">natural limits<\/a>. You must have read about all the pointless roads, airports and ghost cities in China. That&#8217;s all investment made to no end. The standard economic prescription to this issue has been that China should reduce its reliance on investment and instead stimulate consumption growth like the US and other advanced economies.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/9.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-377796 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/9.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1320\" height=\"1240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/9.png 1320w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/9-300x282.png 300w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/9-1024x962.png 1024w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/9-768x721.png 768w, https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/9-24x24.png 24w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1320px) 100vw, 1320px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/markets\/asia\/why-is-chinas-economy-slowing-down-could-it-get-worse-2023-09-01\/\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em>Source<\/em><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p>To shift from investment led growth to consumption led growth, you need both the willingness and ability to change. While the Chinese government <em>may<\/em> have the ability, they certainly don\u2019t have the willingness to change.<\/p>\n<p>Joe Leahy had a good piece in the FT on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/35471cfb-79a6-42c1-8e41-447bfaad2c36\">China\u2019s growth conundrum<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: #333333;\"><em>Greater consumption would also necessarily mean reducing the role of manufacturing or investment in the economy. This could be done by unwinding China\u2019s intricate system of subsidies to producers, which includes government infrastructure investment, access to cheap labour, land and other credit, says Pettis.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: #333333;\"><em>But if that was done in a big bang fashion, the share of household consumption to GDP would increase while overall GDP would contract as manufacturers suffered. This was obviously not a politically preferable option for Xi.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: #333333;\"><em>\u201cThey are locked into this system,\u201d Pettis says.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Also check out these <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/michaelxpettis\/status\/1785541596701655169\">comments by Micheal Pettis<\/a>, one of the most sensible China watchers who\u2019s also been quoted in the FT piece.<\/p>\n<p>BTW, Pranav had written a brilliant three-part series on China\u2019s troubles. <a href=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/subtext\/how-the-chinese-dragon-burnt-itself\">Part I<\/a> looks at China\u2019s obsession with investment, <a href=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/subtext\/a-peoples-republic\">Part II<\/a> details its consumption woes and <a href=\"https:\/\/zerodha.com\/z-connect\/subtext\/chinas-unreal-estate\">Part III<\/a> examines its recent troubles with real estate and debt. 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